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In message , Simon Slavin
. uk wrote Well yes, but adverts for forthcoming TV programmes on the same channel are sometimes allowed. For instance, if you're watching _Terminator 2_ on Channel 4, a voice can come on over the closing credits and tell you that _Terminator 3_ will be on at the same time next Sunday. We're already used to this sort of thing and the only difference between this and that is that they're advertising programmes on a different channel instead of the same one. The TUTV adverts are nothing like advertising another program after the program you are watching is coming to an end. The TUTV adverts on Ch5 are during the program and are a red banner occupying the lower part of the screen and hence obliterating part of what you are watching -- Alan |
In uk.tech.digital-tv Dom Robinson wrote:
: : Would my old Nokia box update to use that encryption, or would it already be : compatible? It's compatible....or at least after a possible small STB update which I recall people having to wait for after they had inserted their new TopUpTV smartcard. : And, given that SECA was cracked before ONdigital started broadcasting, why : didn't they use something else? (the question I wish I'd asked them on Right : to Reply, but you always think of something when it's too late) OnDigital were expected to use Videoguard encryption (as Sky Digital) but switched to SECA as, it was believed, they could then get very cheap STBs from several manufacturers - for whom it was simply a matter of slightly mofifying their existing Canel Plus satellite STBs. AFAIR when they chose SECA (about 6 months before launch?) it either wasn't hacked or was not widely so. Canel Plus probably promised them a new smartcard or something. A better question is *WHY* Canel Plus and OnDigital/ITV Digital left it so long? In the days when (analogue) Sky was hacked they took the financial hit of issuing new smartcards with much revised encryption within a matter of weeks! |
On 12/12/2004, Martin Jay wrote in message -
free.org.uk: Top-up TV seem to be advertising very heavily this Christmas. I get the feeling that this is a make or break time for them. I think we all know which way this is going. Simon. -- Using pre-release version of newsreader. Please tell me if it does weird things. |
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:17:06 +0000, Simon Slavin
. uk wrote: On 12/12/2004, Martin Jay wrote in message - free.org.uk: Top-up TV seem to be advertising very heavily this Christmas. I get the feeling that this is a make or break time for them. I think we all know which way this is going. Last I heard they were well on target. I suspect that there is a large enough profit on each sub. I hate to say it but I fear that they are not going to go bankrupt in the short term. Come on could some sell them some football rights... |
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says... On 12/12/2004, Martin Jay wrote in message - free.org.uk: Top-up TV seem to be advertising very heavily this Christmas. I get the feeling that this is a make or break time for them. I think we all know which way this is going. Any idea what their subs figures are like? -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk (editor), /* 1024 DVDs, 302 games, 102 CDs, 92 cinema films, 33 videos, concerts & news /* halo 2, divine comedy, britney spears, platinum, eric bibb, michael ball Fight back against "PRESS RED": http://dvdfever.co.uk/pressrel/pressred.shtml DVDfever.co.uk on BBC News 24's Click Online! - http://tinyurl.com/2mqj4 |
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says... In uk.tech.digital-tv Dom Robinson wrote: : : Would my old Nokia box update to use that encryption, or would it already be : compatible? It's compatible....or at least after a possible small STB update which I recall people having to wait for after they had inserted their new TopUpTV smartcard. : And, given that SECA was cracked before ONdigital started broadcasting, why : didn't they use something else? (the question I wish I'd asked them on Right : to Reply, but you always think of something when it's too late) OnDigital were expected to use Videoguard encryption (as Sky Digital) but switched to SECA as, it was believed, they could then get very cheap STBs from several manufacturers - for whom it was simply a matter of slightly mofifying their existing Canel Plus satellite STBs. AFAIR when they chose SECA (about 6 months before launch?) it either wasn't hacked or was not widely so. Canel Plus probably promised them a new smartcard or something. Ta for all the info, and that latter bit certainly figures. A better question is *WHY* Canel Plus and OnDigital/ITV Digital left it so long? In the days when (analogue) Sky was hacked they took the financial hit of issuing new smartcards with much revised encryption within a matter of weeks! I remember that. They've done well to remain one step ahead with Sky Digital as that's never been cracked, AFAIK. -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk (editor), /* 1024 DVDs, 302 games, 102 CDs, 92 cinema films, 33 videos, concerts & news /* halo 2, divine comedy, britney spears, platinum, eric bibb, michael ball Fight back against "PRESS RED": http://dvdfever.co.uk/pressrel/pressred.shtml DVDfever.co.uk on BBC News 24's Click Online! - http://tinyurl.com/2mqj4 |
On 16/12/2004, Dom Robinson wrote in message
: says... On 12/12/2004, Martin Jay wrote in message - free.org.uk: Top-up TV seem to be advertising very heavily this Christmas. I get the feeling that this is a make or break time for them. I think we all know which way this is going. Any idea what their subs figures are like? They got 20,000 subscribers in by the end of the first month of 'gnome' advertising, most of them before those adverts started. Since then, they haven't released any figures, and TUTV hasn't been passing their figures to ofcom. I'm not sure but I don't think they actually have to do this more frequently than once a year. They have a break-even point of 250,000 subscriptions at March 2007 (at least, that's what they say). The most common complaint at the moment is that each of the channels they advertise is available for just part of the day. e.g. Cartoon network shuts off at 6pm, Classic movies available only in the evenings. So while they slap the logos of various channels over their adverts you don't actually get the full broadcast of their channels. Simon. |
In article , Mike Henry wrote:
Their website reveals just how small the fractions of channels are (http://www.topuptv.com/whatistopuptv_index.htm). I think they should be done for false advertising! [...] The results are even worse than I thought. You can pay for 229 hours of TV to choose from, but you get less than 94 hours. You find that half the programmes in your listings that you wanted to see are outside of the Top-up hours. You start watching a film on UK Gold and have it cut off in the middle. Diabolical, and the sooner they go bust the better. It's five channels pretending to be ten, and not particularly enticing ones at that. If there are enough people who are willing to pay for this, then they'll get what they deserve, otherwise the company will go the same way as the only previous pay-to-view digital terrestrial broadcaster that this country has ever seen (You'd think they'd have learnt from that, wouldn't you) and nobody will bat an eye. Rod. |
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