On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:57:23 +0100, Alan
wrote:

The point for me about BBC4 is that it is not Radio 4 with pictures
when perhaps it should be. Radio 4 is not an arts and documentary
channel, it has good comedy, science, news, and programmes that are
difficult to fit into a set genre.

Radio 4 also has a crap soap (the Archers) and pretentious arts programs
where so called experts talk ******** for hours on end.

Even in the morning current affairs programs Radio 4 tries to be
everything to all by including a patronising God slot and stage managing
pointless debates between two invited guests.

The day time content can often rival the worst that dumbed down TV can
offer.

I'm not arguing that there is not some rubbish on Radio 4, but there
are every week programmes which I enjoy listening to, and not just
channel surfing but make a point of listening to. There are quite a
few programmes that I will quite happily listen to. BBC4 - I don't
know when I last watched BBC4, I have stopped even checking if it has
anything interesting on.

In message , Ed
wrote
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:57:23 +0100, Alan
wrote:

The point for me about BBC4 is that it is not Radio 4 with pictures
when perhaps it should be. Radio 4 is not an arts and documentary
channel, it has good comedy, science, news, and programmes that are
difficult to fit into a set genre.

Radio 4 also has a crap soap (the Archers) and pretentious arts programs
where so called experts talk ******** for hours on end.

Even in the morning current affairs programs Radio 4 tries to be
everything to all by including a patronising God slot and stage managing
pointless debates between two invited guests.

The day time content can often rival the worst that dumbed down TV can
offer.

I'm not arguing that there is not some rubbish on Radio 4, but there
are every week programmes which I enjoy listening to, and not just
channel surfing but make a point of listening to. There are quite a
few programmes that I will quite happily listen to. BBC4 - I don't
know when I last watched BBC4, I have stopped even checking if it has
anything interesting on.


I usually have a least one radio tuned into Radio4, mainly for the news
on my way to work (switching over when the religious nutters are allowed
on air) and the comedy on the way back.

Today I had the misfortune to listen to some tuneless electronic music
in the 'classical style' where the composer suggested that the public
were morons if they didn't understand it.

BBC 4 does seem to be the fan club for this type of programming.
--
Alan

In article , Alan wrote:
Today I had the misfortune to listen to some tuneless electronic music
in the 'classical style' where the composer suggested that the public
were morons if they didn't understand it.

I sympathise. I got all this nonsense ut of my system in my teens, back
in the 1960s, when I thought that since I was interested in electronics,
and liked music, I ought to enjoy electronic music. Accordingly, I bought
records of the stuff and discovered that some of its proponents can be
very pretentious about it. Eventually I was honest with myself about what
I really liked and went back to the real thing.

Rod.

It would seem that the best thing to do is scrap BBC3 and CBBC, which would
give the BBC a 24 hour channel to put ALL their sport on.

That would get folk buying Freeview boxes.

Well it worked for Sky :)

In article , News Will
writes

It would seem that the best thing to do is scrap BBC3 and CBBC, which would
give the BBC a 24 hour channel to put ALL their sport on.

That would get folk buying Freeview boxes.

Well it worked for Sky :)


On the few occasions where BBC have 24hrs worth of sport to broadcast
they already do that on the two interactive channels they have
available.
--
Kennedy
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's ****ed.
Python Philosophers (replace 'nospam' with 'kennedym' when replying)

"News Will" wrote in message
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It would seem that the best thing to do is scrap BBC3 and CBBC, which
would
give the BBC a 24 hour channel to put ALL their sport on.

That would be OK by me provided they removed all sport from all the other
BBC channels (including news bulletins).

In fact if they did that they could have *two* dedicated sports channels.

--
Max Demian

In article , News Will
wrote:
It would seem that the best thing to do is scrap BBC3 and CBBC, which would
give the BBC a 24 hour channel to put ALL their sport on.

They already have a 24 hour news programme, but still interrupt programmes on
other channels. Why would sport be treated differently?

Rod.

harrogate2 wrote (apparently) in uk.tech.digital-tv on Fri 15 Oct 2004
08:27:27:

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
Mr Guest wrote:

Being 31 I tend not to rush home to put Channel 4 News on....

Why, because at 31 you consider yourself too old or too young
for the programme ?



................or too left wing?

Errm, neither really. I tend to look at the BBC News website at work
and listen to the radio news during the drive home, so the news news
(IYSWIM) isn't that important. Liquid News was, more often than not,
an almost ****-take on the more frivolous news items, which is what
made it worth watching.

Given the many other ways we find out about important news events now,
such as e-mails, mobile phone calls and texts, I'm not convinced that
a news programme aired at the same time each evening is of benefit.
The more people that get internet access and catch up on news through
that will reduce further the justification for continuing peak-time
news shows.

There's no reason why the obligation from OFCOM (or whoever) shouldn't
be removed once the analogue switch-off has happened as people will
more than likely have access to BBC News 24, Sky News, ITV News and
others that operate at all hours. I doubt the BBC, ITV and Sky will
get enough new programming to avoid repeats, so the scheduling should
sort itself out.
--
MrGuest
Always, seemingly, on the road to nowhere

Mr Guest wrote:

Errm, neither really. I tend to look at the BBC News website at work
and listen to the radio news during the drive home, so the news news
(IYSWIM) isn't that important. Liquid News was, more often than not,
an almost ****-take on the more frivolous news items, which is what
made it worth watching.

Given the many other ways we find out about important news events now,
such as e-mails, mobile phone calls and texts, I'm not convinced that
a news programme aired at the same time each evening is of benefit.
The more people that get internet access and catch up on news through
that will reduce further the justification for continuing peak-time
news shows.

There's no reason why the obligation from OFCOM (or whoever) shouldn't
be removed once the analogue switch-off has happened as people will
more than likely have access to BBC News 24, Sky News, ITV News and
others that operate at all hours. I doubt the BBC, ITV and Sky will
get enough new programming to avoid repeats, so the scheduling should
sort itself out.

But C4 News (and BBC 2 Newsnight) are very different types of news
programmes, to those you'll find on BBC1, ITV 1, or any of the 24 hours services.

They are (over simplifying) TV's version of broadsheet newspapers.
Despite all the other choices on tap continuously, I still find both programmes
the most useful, and least patronising. (though they still fall into the 'triumph
of presentation over content' trap)

IMHO YMMV :-)

Kennedy McEwen wrote:

Ah, so now we need the government to tell us what to watch.
Getting more like a nanny state everyday.

Educating you to a level where you *can* appreciate something is not
telling you *to* appreciate it. It is providing you with the wit to
make the choice rather than ignorantly perceiving that choice has
intrinsic value of itself.

I can appreciate things, but we do not all appreciate the same things,
it be a funny world if we did.

I just do not apprecitate having to pay for something I may not want to use.


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