What is needed is a government scheme to to educate people so that they
can appreciate public service broadcasting and stop wanting to watching
the commercial rubbish (eg BBC1/2).

You've more faith in the power of education than me, Alan. When I was teaching
we used to say "You can't educate pork."

Bill

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:09:17 +0100, Androo wrote:


I think BBC4 has some very good programmes on, although admittedly many
of them eventually end up on BBC1/2. BBC3 on the other hand is, IMO,
diabolical.


Yes, that sumns it up for me too. I find myself watching BBC4 more and more.
It reminds me of Radio 4: even when what's on isn't something you would've
chosen to watch, it's often still interesting.


It's funny you should say that, because as I was reading this discussuion
I flicked through the channels and accidentally came across an interesting
BBC4 documentary about the days of live drama on TV!

Fred

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:09:17 +0100, "Androo"
wrote:


I think BBC4 has some very good programmes on, although admittedly many
of them eventually end up on BBC1/2. BBC3 on the other hand is, IMO,
diabolical.


Yes, that sumns it up for me too. I find myself watching BBC4 more and more.
It reminds me of Radio 4: even when what's on isn't something you would've
chosen to watch, it's often still interesting.

I just hope they don't feel the need to dumb BBC4 down. At the moment, it's
just a bout the last place on TV you can go for some intellectual
stimulation and I love the music they've been choosing to show us recently,
like Gillian Welch (even if the presenter didn't know how to pronounce
Gillian) the other day.

The point for me about BBC4 is that it is not Radio 4 with pictures
when perhaps it should be. Radio 4 is not an arts and documentary
channel, it has good comedy, science, news, and programmes that are
difficult to fit into a set genre. The problem is with BBC4 is that
it is too narrow and while Radio 4 can laugh at itself and often does,
BBC4 pretensiously takes itself too seriously. Yes, there are some
good programmes on it, but as a brand I cannot stand it.


BBC3 though. What on earth is that all about? I can never find one thing to
watch. except perhaps 'Body Hits' if there's nothing else.

BBC is patronising drivel, I am in its catchment age, and
unfortunately I have a brain which the schedulers did not realise
people have. It's interesting BBC3 tries to do the comedy, but
actually on Radio the best comedy is not Radio 1 or 2, but 4. BBC3 is
a waste of time, and the BBC needs to do something about it fast.

Alan Pemberton wrote:
David wrote:


Let's hope the Government now gives the BBC a kick to them to get more
viewers to BBC 3 and 4 by putting wider appeal programmes on.


What is needed is a government scheme to to educate people so that they
can appreciate public service broadcasting and stop wanting to watching
the commercial rubbish (eg BBC1/2).

Ah, so now we need the government to tell us what to watch.
Getting more like a nanny state everyday.

I will watch what I want to watch, I do not need the government telling
me what to do.
It is bad enough that I have to pay for a T.v license to keep a
governemt information service up and running.




Never had BBC 4 on.


QED. (Now _there_ was a good show.)



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Mr Guest wrote:

Being 31 I tend not to rush home to put Channel 4 News on....

Why, because at 31 you consider yourself too old or too young
for the programme ?

In message , Ed
wrote
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:09:17 +0100, "Androo"
wrote:


I think BBC4 has some very good programmes on, although admittedly many
of them eventually end up on BBC1/2. BBC3 on the other hand is, IMO,
diabolical.


Yes, that sumns it up for me too. I find myself watching BBC4 more and more.
It reminds me of Radio 4: even when what's on isn't something you would've
chosen to watch, it's often still interesting.

I just hope they don't feel the need to dumb BBC4 down. At the moment, it's
just a bout the last place on TV you can go for some intellectual
stimulation and I love the music they've been choosing to show us recently,
like Gillian Welch (even if the presenter didn't know how to pronounce
Gillian) the other day.

The point for me about BBC4 is that it is not Radio 4 with pictures
when perhaps it should be. Radio 4 is not an arts and documentary
channel, it has good comedy, science, news, and programmes that are
difficult to fit into a set genre.

Radio 4 also has a crap soap (the Archers) and pretentious arts programs
where so called experts talk ******** for hours on end.

Even in the morning current affairs programs Radio 4 tries to be
everything to all by including a patronising God slot and stage managing
pointless debates between two invited guests.

The day time content can often rival the worst that dumbed down TV can
offer.


--
Alan

"Max Demian" WROTE:

BBC4 is one of the best things the BBC has done since the launch of
BBC2.

I draw the line at a six part documentary about the Mann family in German
with English subtitles.

Actually, that was an excellent series. Do you have a general aversion
towards subtitles?

And what's the point in them broadcasting all through the night when it's
just repeats of what went before?

Well, it does give you a chance to see or record things that you
coudn't see or record earlier on, because there were other things
being seen or recorded at the same time!

John in Wales

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
Mr Guest wrote:

Being 31 I tend not to rush home to put Channel 4 News on....

Why, because at 31 you consider yourself too old or too young
for the programme ?



.................or too left wing?

"JohnJ" wrote in message
...
"Max Demian" WROTE:

BBC4 is one of the best things the BBC has done since the launch of
BBC2.

I draw the line at a six part documentary about the Mann family in German
with English subtitles.

Actually, that was an excellent series. Do you have a general aversion
towards subtitles?

No, I just think it's *too* highbrow, and too *much*. How many people have
heard of them? A single hour long program, with clips of "Death in Venice"
and dramatised excerpts from some of his books would be much more useful.

And what's the point in them broadcasting all through the night when it's
just repeats of what went before?

Well, it does give you a chance to see or record things that you
coudn't see or record earlier on, because there were other things
being seen or recorded at the same time!

It's comparatively rare that there are two programs exclusively on DTT at
the same time. In these days of DVRs with multiple tuners, we should be
getting less repeats, not more.

--
Max Demian

"Max Demian" WROTE:

I draw the line at a six part documentary about the Mann family in German
with English subtitles.

Actually, that was an excellent series. Do you have a general aversion
towards subtitles?

No, I just think it's *too* highbrow, and too *much*. How many people have
heard of them? A single hour long program, with clips of "Death in Venice"
and dramatised excerpts from some of his books would be much more useful.

That would be something that could go out on BBC2 though. BBC4 can
afford (if that's the right word!) to be a bit more specialist.

It's comparatively rare that there are two programs exclusively on DTT at
the same time. In these days of DVRs with multiple tuners, we should be
getting less repeats, not more.

It's very early days for multiple tuners though, isn't it? I didn't
even know there were such things until a few weeks ago!

JJ