soup popped their head over the parapet saw what was going on and said
infobegger popped their head over the parapet saw what was going on
and said
nog wrote in message
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On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 23:53:39 -0500, operator jay wrote:

"Jim Watt" wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 10:56:00 GMT, "-V-TECH-"
wrote:

Looking for a first class satellite reciever and that little
bit extra go here

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=5724309455
many thanks

Do they auction spell checkers as well as satelitte Recievers?


--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

Thinking one might help with words like satelitte, are you? :-)

And some fell upon stony ground, ... :^)

...No one likes a smart arse.

"I" before "E" except after "C". :o)

Remember there was a rhyme we had to learn at school
that had all the exeptions, they included sheik and Sheila.
--
yours S

Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione

In uk.tech.digital-tv Walt Davidson wrote:[i]
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:00:03 +0100 (BST), (Brian
{Hamilton Kelly}) wrote:

Incidentally, *none* of those "ei" and "ie" digraphs written by Walt
have an "ee" sound (to be more precise, in ASCII IPA).

Not even 'weird'?

It's sort of questionable whether the 'ei' in weird is pronounced
'ee', it's not quite the same sound as the 'ei' in receive for
example.


And then there's 'Leigh', a town in Lancashire where Santa often goes
on his sleigh.

There are quite a few proper names which break the i before e except
after c when pronounced 'ee' rule:-
Keith
Sheila
Lots of places called Leigh (and longer names with Leigh in them)


Silly language ....
;-)

What's silly about it? It's just the way it is, if you don't like it
try another one. :-)

--
Chris Green

wrote in message ...[i]
In uk.tech.digital-tv Walt Davidson wrote:
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:00:03 +0100 (BST), (Brian
{Hamilton Kelly}) wrote:

Incidentally, *none* of those "ei" and "ie" digraphs written by Walt
have an "ee" sound (to be more precise, in ASCII IPA).

Not even 'weird'?

It's sort of questionable whether the 'ei' in weird is pronounced
'ee', it's not quite the same sound as the 'ei' in receive for
example.

Weird is pronounced wee-erd, i.e. two sounds.

And then there's 'Leigh', a town in Lancashire where Santa often goes
on his sleigh.

Surely Santa visits *every* town in Christendom.

There are quite a few proper names which break the i before e except
after c when pronounced 'ee' rule:-
Keith
Sheila
Lots of places called Leigh (and longer names with Leigh in them)

It also doesn't explain why Keighley sounds as if it has a 'th' in it.

Silly language ....
;-)

What's silly about it? It's just the way it is, if you don't like it
try another one. :-)

It helps to confuse foreigners who don't speak it (like Americans).

--
Max Demian

In uk.tech.digital-tv Walt Davidson wrote:

It is exactly the same sound ... if you happen to come from a sensible
part of the UK! (Similarly, 'ant' and 'aunt' are pronounced
identically but "which" and "witch" are not!)

Oh no they aren't ('aunt'?) :-)

--
Chris Green

On Wednesday, in article

"Walt Davidson" wrote:
[i]
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:00:03 +0100 (BST), (Brian
{Hamilton Kelly}) wrote:

Incidentally, *none* of those "ei" and "ie" digraphs written by Walt
have an "ee" sound (to be more precise, in ASCII IPA).

Not even 'weird'?

Nope; that's a diphthong: [[email protected]].

And then there's 'Leigh', a town in Lancashire where Santa often goes
on his sleigh.

Less than twenty miles from here, nearby to Malmesbury, are two villages
one of which is named "Leigh". However, its name is pronounced not as
[li] (like the one in Lancashire) but as [laI] (like the English word
"lye").

The locals have an excuse: the other village (literally less than four
miles away) is called "Lea", pronounced [li]!

Silly language ....
;-)

Indeed.

--
Brian {Hamilton Kelly}
"I don't use Linux. I prefer to use an OS supported by a large multi-
national vendor, with a good office suite, excellent network/internet
software and decent hardware support."

In uk.tech.digital-tv Walt Davidson wrote:
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:20:18 +0100 (BST), (Brian
{Hamilton Kelly}) wrote:

Not even 'weird'?

Nope; that's a diphthong: [[email protected]].

Not according to my dictionary. The phonetic pronunciation of "weird"
is shown as "werd" with a bar above the 'e'. The phonetic
pronunciation of "receive" is shown as "resev" with bars above each
'e'.

Well I think your dictionary has an odd idea of the way to pronounce
receive then, I certainly don't pronounce both syllables the same and
trying to do so makes the word sound very odd.

--
Chris Green

In uk.tech.digital-tv Walt Davidson wrote:
On 22 Oct 2004 08:25:23 GMT, wrote:

In uk.tech.digital-tv Walt Davidson wrote:

Not according to my dictionary. The phonetic pronunciation of "weird"
is shown as "werd" with a bar above the 'e'. The phonetic
pronunciation of "receive" is shown as "resev" with bars above each
'e'.

Well I think your dictionary has an odd idea of the way to pronounce
receive then, I certainly don't pronounce both syllables the same and
trying to do so makes the word sound very odd.

I cannot think of any other correct way to pronounce the word
"receive". Perhaps you come from Essex?

When actually speaking (as opposed to saying the word in isolation)
there is no way any normal person will make the first vowel sound
anywhere near as long as the second. In reality it will become more
like the short i in 'ridge'.

If one said 'r-ee-c-ee-ve' all the time it would sound very strange to
my mind (not to mention my ears!).

I'm desperately trying to find a dictionary but can only find a
Webster at the moment. My big Collins French/English shows the first
vowel short and the second one long.

--
Chris Green

In uk.tech.digital-tv wrote:
In uk.tech.digital-tv Walt Davidson wrote:
On 22 Oct 2004 08:25:23 GMT, wrote:

In uk.tech.digital-tv Walt Davidson wrote:

Not according to my dictionary. The phonetic pronunciation of "weird"
is shown as "werd" with a bar above the 'e'. The phonetic
pronunciation of "receive" is shown as "resev" with bars above each
'e'.

Well I think your dictionary has an odd idea of the way to pronounce
receive then, I certainly don't pronounce both syllables the same and
trying to do so makes the word sound very odd.

I cannot think of any other correct way to pronounce the word
"receive". Perhaps you come from Essex?

[snip my own waffling]

I'm desperately trying to find a dictionary but can only find a
Webster at the moment. My big Collins French/English shows the first
vowel short and the second one long.

I've now found both a Collins and a Chambers dictionary, both show the
two syllables of receive as different:-

Chambers:-

ri-sev (the e has a line over it)
according to the pronunciation guide, i as in 'pin', e (with a
line over it) as in 'lean'.


Collins:-

ri'si:v (that's not actually a colon, but looks a bit like it)
according to the pronunciation guide, i as in 'build', i: as in
'see'.


What dictionary were you looking in?

--
Chris Green

In uk.tech.digital-tv Walt Davidson wrote:
On 22 Oct 2004 20:53:50 GMT, wrote:


What dictionary were you looking in?

Chambers Twentieth Century Dictionary.

Of course, we are now in the Twenty-first Century, so Estuary English
has become accepted as the norm.
:-(

So how is that my Chambers disagrees with your Chambers?

--
Chris Green

On Friday, in article

"Walt Davidson" wrote:

On 22 Oct 2004 08:25:23 GMT, wrote:

In uk.tech.digital-tv Walt Davidson wrote:

Not according to my dictionary. The phonetic pronunciation of "weird"
is shown as "werd" with a bar above the 'e'. The phonetic
pronunciation of "receive" is shown as "resev" with bars above each
'e'.

Well I think your dictionary has an odd idea of the way to pronounce
receive then, I certainly don't pronounce both syllables the same and
trying to do so makes the word sound very odd.

I cannot think of any other correct way to pronounce the word
"receive". Perhaps you come from Essex?

Chambers' shows "risev", with a bar above the 'e'. This would be close
to Oxford Pronunciation. It's certainly nothing like hearing ree-seev,
as you suggest. Moreover, nowadays I think most people tend to pronounce
the first syllable with a schwa.

--
Brian {Hamilton Kelly}
"I don't use Linux. I prefer to use an OS supported by a large multi-
national vendor, with a good office suite, excellent network/internet
software and decent hardware support."