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ABC1 or the lack of it in Wales
I KNOW it's PROBABLY rubbish but that's not the point...I can't get it
therefore, I WANT it!! I'm on Kilvey Hill and I can't get ABC1. Is anyone else out there having the same problem?? |
Ade Evans wrote:
I KNOW it's PROBABLY rubbish but that's not the point...I can't get it therefore, I WANT it!! I'm on Kilvey Hill and I can't get ABC1. Is anyone else out there having the same problem?? It's on Mux A. In Wales this mux additionally carries S4C and S4C-2 so I assume there is no room for it ? You don't get QVC either ISTR ? |
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... Ade Evans wrote: I KNOW it's PROBABLY rubbish but that's not the point...I can't get it therefore, I WANT it!! I'm on Kilvey Hill and I can't get ABC1. Is anyone else out there having the same problem?? It's on Mux A. In Wales this mux additionally carries S4C and S4C-2 so I assume there is no room for it ? You don't get QVC either ISTR ? I've got my (recently installed) wideband aerial pointing at Wenvoe transmitter in South Wales and I cannot see the new ABC1 channel. I can however see QVC which I understand is a recent addition to the lineup here in Wales. Andy |
I DO get QVC and have an EXTENSIVE collection of Diamondonium and Platinique
jewellery to prove it! My Channel 15, the supposed place for ABC1 is empty! |
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... Ade Evans wrote: I KNOW it's PROBABLY rubbish but that's not the point...I can't get it therefore, I WANT it!! I'm on Kilvey Hill and I can't get ABC1. Is anyone else out there having the same problem?? It's on Mux A. In Wales this mux additionally carries S4C and S4C-2 so I assume there is no room for it ? You don't get QVC either ISTR ? Apparently SDN have said that there are 'no current plans' for abc1 in Wales. I can't recall where I saw that, but its apparently something to do with capacity being taken up by S4C2, a channel which I seriously doubt hardly anyone watches (its only on air about 3 days a week ISTR) QVC is now available here in Wales; Bid-Up transmit till 8am till 7pm (I think) and then QVC take over their slot from there. I don't find the abc1 lineup especially inspiring and I probably won't miss it, but I am opposed to the notion that it won't be available to viewers in Wales, the majority of which don't speak Welsh and don't want S4C2 (or - in many cases - S4C..... :-) Simes |
No ABC1 here.Wenvoe Transmitter.
"Simes" wrote in message ... "Mark Carver" wrote in message ... Ade Evans wrote: I KNOW it's PROBABLY rubbish but that's not the point...I can't get it therefore, I WANT it!! I'm on Kilvey Hill and I can't get ABC1. Is anyone else out there having the same problem?? It's on Mux A. In Wales this mux additionally carries S4C and S4C-2 so I assume there is no room for it ? You don't get QVC either ISTR ? Apparently SDN have said that there are 'no current plans' for abc1 in Wales. I can't recall where I saw that, but its apparently something to do with capacity being taken up by S4C2, a channel which I seriously doubt hardly anyone watches (its only on air about 3 days a week ISTR) QVC is now available here in Wales; Bid-Up transmit till 8am till 7pm (I think) and then QVC take over their slot from there. I don't find the abc1 lineup especially inspiring and I probably won't miss it, but I am opposed to the notion that it won't be available to viewers in Wales, the majority of which don't speak Welsh and don't want S4C2 (or - in many cases - S4C..... :-) Simes |
Just checked me dad's house and he's getting ABC1 just fine...and he's down
Mumbles!!! |
Blimey thats odd.What freeview box does your dad have,don't suppose it makes
any difference anyway,and he must be on the wenvoe transmitter.Strange some people can't get ABC1.I'm stumped. "Ade Evans" wrote in message ... Just checked me dad's house and he's getting ABC1 just fine...and he's down Mumbles!!! |
"alan" wrote in message ... Blimey thats odd.What freeview box does your dad have,don't suppose it makes any difference anyway,and he must be on the wenvoe transmitter.Strange some people can't get ABC1.I'm stumped. I'm on Wenvoe with a Sony box and no ABC1. If you're nearer the coast in S Wales you can probably pick it up from the Mendip TX. Marc |
"Simes" wrote
I don't find the abc1 lineup especially inspiring and I probably won't miss it, but I am opposed to the notion that it won't be available to viewers in Wales That's the reality of limited channel-space on Freeview. SDN would probably provide it if they had the space, but they don't and so they can't. I imagine it will appear on Sky and/or cable soon, so Welsh viewers can get the channel if they want it. If S4C2 were to be removed in favour of ABC1 you would - like clockwork - get posters appearing on this group like clockwork moaning about it's absence, just like you're moaning about ABC1 being absent. It makes me chuckle that you're not even going to be that bothered about watching ABC1 yourself, even if it was available ! S4C2 is state funded and is important culturally so I understand. ABC1 is all about American culture, and I think it'd be wrong to deprive the last remaining slots of Welsh programming on a terrestrial network to make way for ABC1. |
"Simes" wrote in message ... Apparently SDN have said that there are 'no current plans' for abc1 in Wales. I can't recall where I saw that, but its apparently something to do with capacity being taken up by S4C2, a channel which I seriously doubt hardly anyone watches (its only on air about 3 days a week ISTR) That is a dastardly lie. I watched it about 18 months ago. Or at least I think I did. I couldn't quite decide whether it was relaying the Welsh Assembly or a test card of the Welsh Assembly. Is there a difference? -- Stuart Autumn Sale - register BIZ domains for $4.95 http://www.bizzy.net/ |
"Marc Barbour" wrote in message ... "alan" wrote in message ... Blimey thats odd.What freeview box does your dad have,don't suppose it makes any difference anyway,and he must be on the wenvoe transmitter.Strange some people can't get ABC1.I'm stumped. I'm on Wenvoe with a Sony box and no ABC1. If you're nearer the coast in S Wales you can probably pick it up from the Mendip TX. Marc Bits of Gower and Mumbles can receive Westcountry TV. Mendip is a bit patchy down that far. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.767 / Virus Database: 514 - Release Date: 21/09/2004 |
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:41:09 +0000 (UTC), "Simes"
wrote: Apparently SDN have said that there are 'no current plans' for abc1 in Wales. I can't recall where I saw that, but its apparently something to do with capacity being taken up by S4C2, a channel which I seriously doubt hardly anyone watches (its only on air about 3 days a week ISTR) Nobody watches S4C 1 either! The other channel we miss out on is BBC2 - we get the *******ised BBC2W - which appears to have been created to keep 3rd rate TV types from Cardiff, making 3rd rate TV programmes, in jobs. -- Cheers Peter Remove the INVALID to reply |
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:59:23 +0000 (UTC), "British Shorthair"
wrote: S4C2 is state funded and is important culturally so I understand. What makes you think that S4C2 is culturally important? I've just had a look at the channel on Sky and the epg tells me that programmes start on Tuesday - which Tuesday nobody knows - can't be that culturally inmportant then. As for S4C1 - it is the most expensive TV channel in the world (id you divide the cost of running it by the number of viewers (although the number of people watching it has often to be guessed because the figures are often too low to measure). It is only of importance to the people working in it - nationally it's a joke - some programmes are of such quality that they make Crossroads look like Shakespeare. -- Cheers Peter Remove the INVALID to reply |
I live in wales.And i don't watch S4C,S4C2.
Sling them out i say.Rubbish is on them anyway. "Peter" wrote in message ... On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:41:09 +0000 (UTC), "Simes" wrote: Apparently SDN have said that there are 'no current plans' for abc1 in Wales. I can't recall where I saw that, but its apparently something to do with capacity being taken up by S4C2, a channel which I seriously doubt hardly anyone watches (its only on air about 3 days a week ISTR) Nobody watches S4C 1 either! The other channel we miss out on is BBC2 - we get the *******ised BBC2W - which appears to have been created to keep 3rd rate TV types from Cardiff, making 3rd rate TV programmes, in jobs. -- Cheers Peter Remove the INVALID to reply |
"Peter" wrote
What makes you think that S4C2 is culturally important? I've just had a look at the channel on Sky and the epg tells me that programmes start on Tuesday - which Tuesday nobody knows - can't be that culturally inmportant then. I think it's important to try and preserve the Welsh language. And before you sneer at that - let me just remind people that the traditional English language has gradually been changing for years in England because of American programming and culture on TV contaminating the language with lots of "American-isms". S4C2 also provides coverage of the Welsh assembly which is important to life in Wales. I'd be hardly surprised if a good proportion of these comments that are pro-ABC1 and anti-S4C are coming from Englishmen living in Wales. |
"British Shorthair" wrote in message ... "Simes" wrote S4C2 is state funded and is important culturally so I understand. ABC1 is all about American culture, and I think it'd be wrong to deprive the last remaining slots of Welsh programming on a terrestrial network to make way for ABC1. Up to this point I agreed with what you said, but who says S4C2 is important culturally? There might be an argument for the retention of S4C (not *S4C2*) on that basis I agree. TV isn't just about culture its about entertainment, of which S4C2 provides very little. Welsh TV is an extremely costly venture paid for ultimately by the people. Its existence is primarily for political reasons rather than cultural ones (and there is an argument that S4C itself is more about political expediency than 'culture'...) And its not even watched by the majority in Wales! I sort of agree that S4C shouldn't be dumped (I don't agree that S4C2 should be retained though) but if you don't live in Wales I don't think you should be so quick to comment quite honestly. Simes |
"British Shorthair" wrote in message ... "Peter" wrote I'd be hardly surprised if a good proportion of these comments that are pro-ABC1 and anti-S4C are coming from Englishmen living in Wales. Wrong in my case at least. And a breathtaking assumption on your part but made presumably to back up a fairly weak case. Simes |
"British Shorthair" wrote in message
... "Peter" wrote What makes you think that S4C2 is culturally important? I've just had a look at the channel on Sky and the epg tells me that programmes start on Tuesday - which Tuesday nobody knows - can't be that culturally inmportant then. I think it's important to try and preserve the Welsh language. Why? Surely it's just an expensive platform for Welsh nationalism. -- Max Demian |
"British Shorthair" wrote in message ... S4C2 also provides coverage of the Welsh assembly which is important to life in Wales. I find that statement most surprising. I think I'm the only person I have met (in Wales) who has actually watched it. Its mention gets vacant faces down the (mostly Welsh speaking) local! The WA output could, I would have thought, be able to be accommodated on BBC Parliament which is not exactly crowded to capacity. I'd be hardly surprised if a good proportion of these comments that are pro-ABC1 and anti-S4C are coming from Englishmen living in Wales. I think you are confusing S4C & S4C2. I would suspect more people in Wales would watch ABC1 (if it were available) than S4C2. Are you saying there would be a significant difference between those born in England and those born in Wales or between male & female of either? Maybe the WA should run a referendum on the allocation of MUX channels if it really believes in democratic choice. -- Stuart Autumn Sale - register BIZ domains for $4.95 http://www.bizzy.net/ |
"alan" wrote in message ... I live in wales.And i don't watch S4C,S4C2. Sling them out i say.Rubbish is on them anyway. "Peter" wrote in message ... On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:41:09 +0000 (UTC), "Simes" wrote: Apparently SDN have said that there are 'no current plans' for abc1 in Wales. I can't recall where I saw that, but its apparently something to do with capacity being taken up by S4C2, a channel which I seriously doubt hardly anyone watches (its only on air about 3 days a week ISTR) Nobody watches S4C 1 either! The other channel we miss out on is BBC2 - we get the *******ised BBC2W - which appears to have been created to keep 3rd rate TV types from Cardiff, making 3rd rate TV programmes, in jobs. Great a moan about Welsh TV thread. BBC2W, what a joke, all the programmes are on normal BBC1/2 Wales anyway. When I rang to complain about BBC2W and not getting proper BBC2 on digital (as the BBC wanted me to move to digital) they said 'go and buy Sky if you want BBC2'. My idea is create 'ONE' TV service for Wales. Funded by part of the license fee. Which comprises BBC One Wales / BBC Two Wales / S4C / S4C2 / BBC2W If you add all the Welsh programmes both in Welsh and English, it would not even fill a 24Hr stream. It's part of the scan to make people think they have five TV channels when they haven't got even one. |
"Stuart" wrote
| Maybe the WA should run a referendum on the allocation of MUX | channels if it really believes in democratic choice. (a) Isn't it a reserved matter? (b) They'd have to issue all the documents bilingually, and before they can do that a committee in Aberystwyth would have to decide on the correct spelling of mwltiplecs. Owain |
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:37:52 +0100, "Owain"
wrote: "Stuart" wrote | Maybe the WA should run a referendum on the allocation of MUX | channels if it really believes in democratic choice. (a) Isn't it a reserved matter? (b) They'd have to issue all the documents bilingually, and before they can do that a committee in Aberystwyth would have to decide on the correct spelling of mwltiplecs. Owain My loft aerial is pointed at Wenvoe (about 3-4 miles away) but I also get a 30% signal from the same aerial from over the Bristol channel which also gives a good picture using a Nokia 221T and/or Humax 8000T. Curiously, though I get BBC1 rather than BBC Wales etc from the English transmitter I don't get ITV West or ABC1 from it. I'm not bothered about it but it does seem curious. |
"Simes" wrote in message ...
Up to this point I agreed with what you said, but who says S4C2 is important culturally? There might be an argument for the retention of S4C (not *S4C2*) on that basis I agree. TV isn't just about culture its about entertainment, of which S4C2 provides very little. Welsh TV is an extremely costly venture paid for ultimately by the people. Its existence is primarily for political reasons rather than cultural ones (and there is an argument that S4C itself is more about political expediency than 'culture'...) And its not even watched by the majority in Wales! I sort of agree that S4C shouldn't be dumped (I don't agree that S4C2 should be retained though) but if you don't live in Wales I don't think you should be so quick to comment quite honestly. Simes The problem is who pays for Welsh TV? I suspect the reality is that it comes out of everyone's taxation not just the Welsh, and that is not the only thing. SDN who have one of the six multiplex nationally is a third owned by S4C, and I believe is S4C Digital Networks. Without SDN we would probably not have TopUp TV nor Bid Up TV or QVC. Basically for political reasons SDN got the multiplex and the whole of the UK, including Wales, suffers for it. The answer is simple. SDN exists only because of a massive public subsidy, cut the subsidy, bankrupt SDN, revoke the license because they are bankrupt and then we can get some better programming. S4C can continue in Wales with a place on a multiplex and S4C2 can go to satellite\cable only. It is insane that the whole of the UK suffers for Welsh TV. I am not against Welsh TV at all, just the stupidity of the system that supports it. Since we are all paying for it, I think everyone should be free to comment. |
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:51:44 +0000 (UTC), "British Shorthair"
wrote: "Peter" wrote What makes you think that S4C2 is culturally important? I've just had a look at the channel on Sky and the epg tells me that programmes start on Tuesday - which Tuesday nobody knows - can't be that culturally inmportant then. I think it's important to try and preserve the Welsh language. Agreed, S4C may not be the way to do it though. And before you sneer at that - let me just remind people that the traditional English language has gradually been changing for years in England because of American programming and culture on TV contaminating the language with lots of "American-isms". English has changed considerably over the years - as have all languages. Recieved wisdom is that to hear Elizabethan English - the same English that Shakespeare used, you need to go to New England (in the USA) whare they still use what is now a dilaect of English S4C2 also provides coverage of the Welsh assembly which is important to life in Wales. No it's not - it is only of importance to the failed county councillors who now occupy it - nearly all of them on some sort of ego trip. I'd be hardly surprised if a good proportion of these comments that are pro-ABC1 and anti-S4C are coming from Englishmen living in Wales. Sorry (?) to prove you wrong, but I'm Welsh as were many generations of my anscestors. The issue that you seem to have missed on your tangential trip to preserve the Welsh language (that I fully support - see above) is that this thread is about the quality of the programming on the channel and the fact that those people in Wales who only have access to Welsh transmitters have both S4C and BBC2W forced upon them. Are you Welsh? Do you live in Wales? -- Cheers Peter Remove the INVALID to reply |
Peter WROTE:
S4C2 also provides coverage of the Welsh assembly which is important to life in Wales. No it's not - it is only of importance to the failed county councillors who now occupy it - nearly all of them on some sort of ego trip. Since the Welsh Assembly has powers and responsibilities regarding all the following in Wales: agriculture; ancient monuments and historic buildings; culture; economic development; education and training; the environment; health and health services; highways; housing; industry; local government social services; sport and leisure; tourism; town and country planning; transport and roads; and the Welsh language. it would seem that it certainly *is* important to life in Wales! John J Aberystwyth, Wales |
Peter wrote:
[snip] The issue that you seem to have missed on your tangential trip to preserve the Welsh language (that I fully support - see above) is that this thread is about the quality of the programming on the channel and the fact that those people in Wales who only have access to Welsh transmitters have both S4C and BBC2W forced upon them. I think BBC2*W* is only carried on digital platforms, BBC 2 *Wales* as carried on analogue transmitters is not the same as 2W, though the 'real' BBC 2 is still only available in Wales via D-Sat (Sky Ch 959), or by overlap reception from English transmitters in some areas. In short it is possible to escape the programming of 2W by reverting to analogue and watching BBC 2 Wales; however after analogue switch off?........ |
"alan" WROTE:
I live in wales.And i don't watch S4C,S4C2. Sling them out i say.Rubbish is on them anyway. How do you know they're rubbish if you don't watch them??!! John J Aberystwyth, Wales |
Peter WROTE:
As for S4C1 - it is the most expensive TV channel in the world (id you divide the cost of running it by the number of viewers (although the number of people watching it has often to be guessed because the figures are often too low to measure). It is only of importance to the people working in it Surely it's also important to the people who watch it? (However few!) nationally it's a joke - some programmes are of such quality that they make Crossroads look like Shakespeare. I haven't watched it much recently since getting Freeview, but there used to be some really excellent Welsh-language drama on S4C. And I'm not at all sure that the channel is regarded as a "national joke" - perhaps I lead a sheltered life, but I've never heard that view expressed before! John J Aberystwyth, Wales |
I used to, for months,switch channels to see if there was anything good to
watch on S4C,S4C2.And all those times i tuned into S4C,(when they were broadcasting) for me, there was nothing of any interest to watch. I dont even switch on S4C,2 anymore. Can anyone tell me if there is anything good on S4C now. I suppose if one could speak welsh(not myself)you might find S4C good to watch. "JohnJ" wrote in message ... "alan" WROTE: I live in wales.And i don't watch S4C,S4C2. Sling them out i say.Rubbish is on them anyway. How do you know they're rubbish if you don't watch them??!! John J Aberystwyth, Wales |
"JohnJ" wrote in message ... "alan" WROTE: I live in wales.And i don't watch S4C,S4C2. Sling them out i say.Rubbish is on them anyway. How do you know they're rubbish if you don't watch them??!! Because we do give new channels a go. If they don't deliver what we want - we cease to watch. However if we are paying for it and perceive that it is unlikely to be of significant value to other viewers (as opposed to legislators and S4C) I think we should say so. If things have changed and you now think it of value and we should resample - please tell us! -- Stuart Autumn Sale - register BIZ domains for $4.95 http://www.bizzy.net/ |
"alan" WROTE:
I used to, for months,switch channels to see if there was anything good to watch on S4C,S4C2.And all those times i tuned into S4C,(when they were broadcasting) for me, there was nothing of any interest to watch. I dont even switch on S4C,2 anymore. Can anyone tell me if there is anything good on S4C now. I suppose if one could speak welsh(not myself)you might find S4C good to watch. It shouldn't really be a problem whether you speak Welsh or not, as most S4C programmes have English subtitles. I speak very little Welsh, but used to enjoy quite a few Welsh-language programmes (mainly drama) on that channel. However the particular programmes I liked don't seem to be on any more, and I must confess that I haven't looked at it much recently, now that I can get the full Channel 4 output via Freeview. The increasing availability of UK C4 in Wales via digital TV must be making a huge dent in S4C viewing figures. John J Aberystwyth, Wales |
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 06:09:12 +0100, JohnJ wrote:
Peter WROTE: S4C2 also provides coverage of the Welsh assembly which is important to life in Wales. No it's not - it is only of importance to the failed county councillors who now occupy it - nearly all of them on some sort of ego trip. Since the Welsh Assembly has powers and responsibilities regarding all the following in Wales: agriculture; What exactly does it do for the agricultural community? ancient monuments and historic buildings; Ditto culture; ditto economic development; Aah, objective 1 funding - underspent to date, and with no demonstrable benefit for what has been spent. education and training; Lagging behind the rest of the UK the environment; The environment cannot be looked at in isolation from the rest of Britain - except where the assembly has an overwhelming need to be seen to be doing something - hence the windfarm off Porthcawl. health and health services; Jane Hutt highways; A joke - 2 lane section of M4 north of Cardiff. housing; More substandard housing than almost anywhere else in the UK industry; Declining local government Populated by politicians that can't even make it to the assembly. social services; Very poor sport and leisure; What exactly does it do for sport and leisure? tourism; Self sufficient town and country planning; A joke transport and roads; See above - Highways the Welsh language. Do tell It is only important in the sense that it is an incompetent, anally retentive organisation poplulated by third rate politicians - and serves the people of Wales badly on all the above - it was the product of an off the cuff policy decision by the Labour government to act as a sop to Welsh labour, but something they wanted to control - hence the parachuting in of Alun Michael - Now Rhodri morgan is in charge Blair will let him rot in the pit of his own incompetence - and Wales along with it. -- Cheers Peter Remove the INVALID to reply |
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 06:14:25 +0100, "Mark Carver"
wrote: Peter wrote: [snip] The issue that you seem to have missed on your tangential trip to preserve the Welsh language (that I fully support - see above) is that this thread is about the quality of the programming on the channel and the fact that those people in Wales who only have access to Welsh transmitters have both S4C and BBC2W forced upon them. I think BBC2*W* is only carried on digital platforms, BBC 2 *Wales* as carried on analogue transmitters is not the same as 2W, though the 'real' BBC 2 is still only available in Wales via D-Sat (Sky Ch 959), or by overlap reception from English transmitters in some areas. In short it is possible to escape the programming of 2W by reverting to analogue and watching BBC 2 Wales; however after analogue switch off?........ The people of ferryside and Llanstepahan (?) are the first to have their analogue feed swithed off - I assume that those without a Sky service will be restricted to digital terrestrial and will not therefore have the channel 959 escape route. -- Cheers Peter Remove the INVALID to reply |
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:45:07 +0100, JohnJ wrote:
It shouldn't really be a problem whether you speak Welsh or not, as most S4C programmes have English subtitles. I speak very little Welsh, but used to enjoy quite a few Welsh-language programmes (mainly drama) on that channel. However the particular programmes I liked don't seem to be on any more, and I must confess that I haven't looked at it much recently, now that I can get the full Channel 4 output via Freeview. The increasing availability of UK C4 in Wales via digital TV must be making a huge dent in S4C viewing figures. I suggest the viewing figures were so small that it would be impossible to make a LARGE dent in them - a dent yes. You make a valid point about the problems S4C have with declining viewing figures now that their monoply on the fourth channel is rapidly disappearing. -- Cheers Peter Remove the INVALID to reply |
Peter WROTE:
The increasing availability of UK C4 in Wales via digital TV must be making a huge dent in S4C viewing figures. I suggest the viewing figures were so small that it would be impossible to make a LARGE dent in them - a dent yes. Everything's relative! JJ |
On 28/09/2004, British Shorthair wrote in message
: [And I quote him upside down in order to make my point.] And before you sneer at that - let me just remind people that the traditional English language has gradually been changing for years in England because of American programming and culture on TV contaminating the language with lots of "American-isms". Fair enough. I think it's important to try and preserve the Welsh language. The majority of Welsh people disagree with you. Really. In repeated surveys throughout the 1990s less than 50% of native- born Welsh people said that they'd be willing to put any time into studying Welsh. So what you're really saying is that the Welsh language should be imposed on people living in Wales whether they like it or not. Now, I spent some time in Aberystwyth last Summer and got to hear some very blokish Welsh spoken in pubs down there -- not the prettified Welsh they learn in school but the harsh and sharp language used by older men. I'm interested in languages and found its innate poetry very nice to listen to. But just because I liked it does make it important to try to force feed it down the throats of the entire Welsh population. Simon. -- Using pre-release version of newsreader. Please tell me if it does weird things. |
Peter wrote:
In short it is possible to escape the programming of 2W by reverting to analogue and watching BBC 2 Wales; however after analogue switch off?........ The people of ferryside and Llanstepahan (?) are the first to have their analogue feed swithed off - I assume that those without a Sky service will be restricted to digital terrestrial and will not therefore have the channel 959 escape route. As an aside to this discussion ISTR when the Chepstow relay [1] was being built, the town were given the choice by the IBA to vote whether they wanted HTV Bristol and C4, or HTV Wales and S4C. They opted for the English choice. However the Beeb decided (without any consultation) to provide them with BBC 1 and 2 Wales [1] I think the relay station is situated in England, but 90% of its intended service area is in Wales ? |
On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:41:19 +0100, Dominic Shields
wrote: On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:51:44 +0000 (UTC), "British Shorthair" wrote: I think it's important to try and preserve the Welsh language. And before you sneer at that - let me just remind people that the traditional English language has gradually been changing for years in England because of American programming and culture on TV contaminating the language with lots of "American-isms". S4C2 also provides coverage of the Welsh assembly which is important to life in Wales. I'd be hardly surprised if a good proportion of these comments that are pro-ABC1 and anti-S4C are coming from Englishmen living in Wales. I'm Welsh and have always lived in Wales and was taught Welsh in school and I also think it important to preserve the language. Crap and unnnecessary TV channels nobody watches only bring this aim into disreputeoose. You can't preserve a language. It's a means of communication not a thing. Why would you want to preserve it anyway? Doesn't 'preserve' suggest something dead anyway? |
On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 20:47:41 +0100, Mike Henry
wrote: In , Simon Slavin .uk wrote: So what you're really saying is that the Welsh language should be imposed on people living in Wales whether they like it or not. It already is. Under the National Curriculum, all children in Wales have to study Welsh to GCSE level AFAIR. Which goes to show just how stupid the Welsh lobby is - the policy of compulsory Welsh until KS3 cretes more animosity than almost anything else in education. if the half wits that formulated the policy could see past their congenitally damaged brains, they wouldhave spotted that onevolunteer is worth tem pressed men, but unfortunately they had loaned what passes as their collective intellect to a dog turd that convinced them it could be put to better use chatting up flies. -- Cheers Peter Remove the INVALID to reply |
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