"alan" wrote in message
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I live in wales.And i don't watch S4C,S4C2.
Sling them out i say.Rubbish is on them anyway.





"Peter" wrote in message
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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:41:09 +0000 (UTC), "Simes"
wrote:



Apparently SDN have said that there are 'no current plans' for abc1 in
Wales. I can't recall where I saw that, but its apparently something to
do
with capacity being taken up by S4C2, a channel which I seriously doubt
hardly anyone watches (its only on air about 3 days a week ISTR)

Nobody watches S4C 1 either! The other channel we miss out on is BBC2
- we get the *******ised BBC2W - which appears to have been created to
keep 3rd rate TV types from Cardiff, making 3rd rate TV programmes, in
jobs.

Great a moan about Welsh TV thread.

BBC2W, what a joke, all the programmes are on normal BBC1/2 Wales anyway.
When I rang to complain about BBC2W and not getting proper BBC2 on digital
(as the BBC wanted me to move to digital) they said 'go and buy Sky if you
want BBC2'.

My idea is create 'ONE' TV service for Wales. Funded by part of the license
fee.
Which comprises BBC One Wales / BBC Two Wales / S4C / S4C2 / BBC2W
If you add all the Welsh programmes both in Welsh and English, it would not
even fill a 24Hr stream.
It's part of the scan to make people think they have five TV channels when
they haven't got even one.

"Stuart" wrote
| Maybe the WA should run a referendum on the allocation of MUX
| channels if it really believes in democratic choice.

(a) Isn't it a reserved matter?
(b) They'd have to issue all the documents bilingually, and before they can
do that a committee in Aberystwyth would have to decide on the correct
spelling of mwltiplecs.

Owain

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:37:52 +0100, "Owain"
wrote:

"Stuart" wrote
| Maybe the WA should run a referendum on the allocation of MUX
| channels if it really believes in democratic choice.

(a) Isn't it a reserved matter?
(b) They'd have to issue all the documents bilingually, and before they can
do that a committee in Aberystwyth would have to decide on the correct
spelling of mwltiplecs.

Owain

My loft aerial is pointed at Wenvoe (about 3-4 miles away) but I also
get a 30% signal from the same aerial from over the Bristol channel
which also gives a good picture using a Nokia 221T and/or Humax 8000T.

Curiously, though I get BBC1 rather than BBC Wales etc from the
English transmitter I don't get ITV West or ABC1 from it. I'm not
bothered about it but it does seem curious.

"Simes" wrote in message ...


Up to this point I agreed with what you said, but who says S4C2 is important
culturally? There might be an argument for the retention of S4C (not *S4C2*)
on that basis I agree. TV isn't just about culture its about entertainment,
of which S4C2 provides very little. Welsh TV is an extremely costly venture
paid for ultimately by the people. Its existence is primarily for political
reasons rather than cultural ones (and there is an argument that S4C itself
is more about political expediency than 'culture'...)

And its not even watched by the majority in Wales!

I sort of agree that S4C shouldn't be dumped (I don't agree that S4C2 should
be retained though) but if you don't live in Wales I don't think you should
be so quick to comment quite honestly.

Simes

The problem is who pays for Welsh TV? I suspect the reality is that
it comes out of everyone's taxation not just the Welsh, and that is
not the only thing.

SDN who have one of the six multiplex nationally is a third owned by
S4C, and I believe is S4C Digital Networks. Without SDN we would
probably not have TopUp TV nor Bid Up TV or QVC. Basically for
political reasons SDN got the multiplex and the whole of the UK,
including Wales, suffers for it.

The answer is simple. SDN exists only because of a massive public
subsidy, cut the subsidy, bankrupt SDN, revoke the license because
they are bankrupt and then we can get some better programming. S4C
can continue in Wales with a place on a multiplex and S4C2 can go to
satellite\cable only.

It is insane that the whole of the UK suffers for Welsh TV. I am not
against Welsh TV at all, just the stupidity of the system that
supports it.

Since we are all paying for it, I think everyone should be free to
comment.

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:51:44 +0000 (UTC), "British Shorthair"
wrote:

"Peter" wrote
What makes you think that S4C2 is culturally important? I've just had
a look at the channel on Sky and the epg tells me that programmes
start on Tuesday - which Tuesday nobody knows - can't be that
culturally inmportant then.

I think it's important to try and preserve the Welsh language.

Agreed, S4C may not be the way to do it though.

And before you sneer at that - let me just remind people that the
traditional English language has gradually been changing for years in
England because of American programming and culture on TV contaminating the
language with lots of "American-isms".

English has changed considerably over the years - as have all
languages. Recieved wisdom is that to hear Elizabethan English - the
same English that Shakespeare used, you need to go to New England (in
the USA) whare they still use what is now a dilaect of English

S4C2 also provides coverage of the Welsh assembly which is important to life
in Wales.

No it's not - it is only of importance to the failed county
councillors who now occupy it - nearly all of them on some sort of ego
trip.

I'd be hardly surprised if a good proportion of these comments that are
pro-ABC1 and anti-S4C are coming from Englishmen living in Wales.

Sorry (?) to prove you wrong, but I'm Welsh as were many generations
of my anscestors.

The issue that you seem to have missed on your tangential trip to
preserve the Welsh language (that I fully support - see above) is that
this thread is about the quality of the programming on the channel and
the fact that those people in Wales who only have access to Welsh
transmitters have both S4C and BBC2W forced upon them.

Are you Welsh? Do you live in Wales?
--
Cheers

Peter

Remove the INVALID to reply

Peter WROTE:

S4C2 also provides coverage of the Welsh assembly which is important to life
in Wales.

No it's not - it is only of importance to the failed county
councillors who now occupy it - nearly all of them on some sort of ego
trip.

Since the Welsh Assembly has powers and responsibilities regarding all
the following in Wales:

agriculture;
ancient monuments and historic buildings;
culture;
economic development;
education and training;
the environment;
health and health services;
highways;
housing;
industry;
local government
social services;
sport and leisure;
tourism;
town and country planning;
transport and roads; and
the Welsh language.

it would seem that it certainly *is* important to life in Wales!

John J
Aberystwyth, Wales

Peter wrote:
[snip]
The issue that you seem to have missed on your tangential trip to
preserve the Welsh language (that I fully support - see above) is that
this thread is about the quality of the programming on the channel and
the fact that those people in Wales who only have access to Welsh
transmitters have both S4C and BBC2W forced upon them.

I think BBC2*W* is only carried on digital platforms, BBC 2 *Wales*
as carried on analogue transmitters is not the same as 2W, though
the 'real' BBC 2 is still only available in Wales via D-Sat (Sky Ch 959),
or by overlap reception from English transmitters in some areas.

In short it is possible to escape the programming of 2W by reverting
to analogue and watching BBC 2 Wales; however after analogue switch off?........

"alan" WROTE:

I live in wales.And i don't watch S4C,S4C2.
Sling them out i say.Rubbish is on them anyway.

How do you know they're rubbish if you don't watch them??!!

John J
Aberystwyth, Wales

Peter WROTE:

As for S4C1 - it is the most expensive TV channel in the world (id you
divide the cost of running it by the number of viewers (although the
number of people watching it has often to be guessed because the
figures are often too low to measure). It is only of importance to the
people working in it

Surely it's also important to the people who watch it? (However few!)

nationally it's a joke - some programmes are of
such quality that they make Crossroads look like Shakespeare.

I haven't watched it much recently since getting Freeview, but there
used to be some really excellent Welsh-language drama on S4C.

And I'm not at all sure that the channel is regarded as a "national
joke" - perhaps I lead a sheltered life, but I've never heard that
view expressed before!

John J
Aberystwyth, Wales

I used to, for months,switch channels to see if there was anything good to
watch on S4C,S4C2.And all those times i tuned into S4C,(when they were
broadcasting)
for me, there was nothing of any interest to watch.
I dont even switch on S4C,2 anymore.
Can anyone tell me if there is anything good on S4C now.
I suppose if one could speak welsh(not myself)you might find S4C good to
watch.






"JohnJ" wrote in message
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"alan" WROTE:

I live in wales.And i don't watch S4C,S4C2.
Sling them out i say.Rubbish is on them anyway.

How do you know they're rubbish if you don't watch them??!!

John J
Aberystwyth, Wales