Antiference product changes
 

This is really for the aerial installers out there. If the new catalogue is to
be believed the new TCX aerials from Anti that replace the TC range don't
include Group B or Group E. Instead of B there is something they've invented
called BK covering 21 to 53. The gain, etc, figures for the TC10 and 18Bs have
been edit-copy edit-pasted into the new catalogue and applied to the TCX. Well
if I've got to choose between believing the laws of physics or the Antiference
Sales Dept I think I know which way I'll go.In any case, the last thing we want
from a Gp B aerial is sensitivity to Gp A because that implies sensitivity to
Tetra, etc. They've even had the cheek to say that the colour code for 'BK' is
yellow! In my opinion this is technical design by accountants instead of
engineers. I've stuck with Antiference since 1970, through thick and thin, but
I think I'll be looking elsewhere if this new idea isn't reversed. I'll be
contacting Antiference and I'll post their response. Anyone else with buying
power please make your feelings known to Anti.

Bill

"Bill" wrote in message
...
This is really for the aerial installers out there. If the new catalogue
is to
be believed the new TCX aerials from Anti that replace the TC range don't
include Group B or Group E. Instead of B there is something they've
invented
called BK covering 21 to 53. The gain, etc, figures for the TC10 and 18Bs
have
been edit-copy edit-pasted into the new catalogue and applied to the TCX.
Well
if I've got to choose between believing the laws of physics or the
Antiference
Sales Dept I think I know which way I'll go.In any case, the last thing we
want
from a Gp B aerial is sensitivity to Gp A because that implies sensitivity
to
Tetra, etc. They've even had the cheek to say that the colour code for
'BK' is
yellow! In my opinion this is technical design by accountants instead of
engineers. I've stuck with Antiference since 1970, through thick and thin,
but
I think I'll be looking elsewhere if this new idea isn't reversed. I'll be
contacting Antiference and I'll post their response. Anyone else with
buying
power please make your feelings known to Anti.

Bill

This is a serious retrograde step IMHO. Group K aerials were an innovation
to the UK fairly recently, and they aren't there to replace group B.
I was going to purchase a TC18E to fit on my new home (if we ever get the
solicitors doing something for their money) to receive Sutton
Coldfield/Lichfield analogue and digital. I was reluctant to use a wideband
and a BK doesn't cover as far as 55. Also strong reflected images from Ridge
Hill and Lark Stoke are available in the area which should be well received
by a BK! Time to find out who else produces quality group E aerials. Any
ideas?

Who are you thinking of sourcing your aerials from - you've been a strong
advocate of Antiference and a vociferous opponent of most other brands since
I've been drifting around this group. Did anyone else at the CAI show catch
your eye?


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Who are you thinking of sourcing your aerials from - you've been a strong
advocate of Antiference and a vociferous opponent of most other brands since
I've been drifting around this group. Did anyone else at the CAI show catch
your eye?

Unfortunately I didn't look at the Anto stand 'til quite late in the day, and
even then it didn't properly sink in that I needed to look round. However I saw
some very well made Hirshmann UHF aerials, but I didn't notice the grouping.
Incidentally I used one of their DAB aerials recently and it was flimsy.
From time to time I buy samples and test them in a semi-scientific way. I
suppose I'll have to a bit of that, and do it more rigorously.
Incidentally I had a long period some years ago when I used only Jay Beam (now
departed from the domestic aerial scene) due to Antiference's insistence on
using mild steel for the support arms and reflector holders. I still think the
Jaybeam MBM88 was the best high gain aerial ever made.
In the 1970s Labgear had a range of aerials that were very good performers and
excellent value for money.
Aerialite likewise had some very good products, as did Belling-Lee. Did you
know that the dipole on the TCs was derived from a Belling Lee design?
I've always found TCs to have a really good polar response, good gain, and an
even response across the desired channels, but sometimes the build quality has
let things down a bit. This latest idea is just too much though, and I won't
stomach it.

Bill

"Bill" wrote in message
...
Who are you thinking of sourcing your aerials from - you've been a strong
advocate of Antiference and a vociferous opponent of most other brands
since
I've been drifting around this group. Did anyone else at the CAI show
catch
your eye?

Unfortunately I didn't look at the Anto stand 'til quite late in the day,
and
even then it didn't properly sink in that I needed to look round. However
I saw
some very well made Hirshmann UHF aerials, but I didn't notice the
grouping.
Incidentally I used one of their DAB aerials recently and it was flimsy.
From time to time I buy samples and test them in a semi-scientific way. I
suppose I'll have to a bit of that, and do it more rigorously.
Incidentally I had a long period some years ago when I used only Jay Beam
(now
departed from the domestic aerial scene) due to Antiference's insistence
on
using mild steel for the support arms and reflector holders. I still think
the
Jaybeam MBM88 was the best high gain aerial ever made.
In the 1970s Labgear had a range of aerials that were very good performers
and
excellent value for money.
Aerialite likewise had some very good products, as did Belling-Lee. Did
you
know that the dipole on the TCs was derived from a Belling Lee design?
I've always found TCs to have a really good polar response, good gain, and
an
even response across the desired channels, but sometimes the build quality
has
let things down a bit. This latest idea is just too much though, and I
won't
stomach it.

Bill

Do you rate the Blake SR or JBX range?
I'm struggling to find anyone who stocks them to have closer look!


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Hello,

I doubt they just rely on you for income, so they're probably not really
bothered what you do!
Sad but probably true.

"Bill" wrote in message
...
This is really for the aerial installers out there. If the new catalogue
is to
be believed the new TCX aerials from Anti that replace the TC range don't
include Group B or Group E. Instead of B there is something they've
invented
called BK covering 21 to 53. The gain, etc, figures for the TC10 and 18Bs
have
been edit-copy edit-pasted into the new catalogue and applied to the TCX.
Well
if I've got to choose between believing the laws of physics or the
Antiference
Sales Dept I think I know which way I'll go.In any case, the last thing we
want
from a Gp B aerial is sensitivity to Gp A because that implies sensitivity
to
Tetra, etc. They've even had the cheek to say that the colour code for
'BK' is
yellow! In my opinion this is technical design by accountants instead of
engineers. I've stuck with Antiference since 1970, through thick and thin,
but
I think I'll be looking elsewhere if this new idea isn't reversed. I'll be
contacting Antiference and I'll post their response. Anyone else with
buying
power please make your feelings known to Anti.

Bill


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I doubt they just rely on you for income, so they're probably not really
bothered what you do!
Sad but probably true.


This reminds me of the problem at filling stations where they keep you waiting
to pay for your diesel because they do the lottery from the same till. It's up
to them to run their business as they please. It's up to me to buy from where I
please. If I wait behind a lottery queue I don't use that garage again. They
probably don't care. I certainly don't care. If I stop using Antiference
aerials I won't care thereafter about their product range. They won't care
about me as a customer. If a few big buyers move away though, they will care.
I've spoken to enough people in the trade to know that Antiference are going to
notice a sales dip unless they mend their ways. No-one's doing it out of spite
or malice: we're all just looking after our own businesses.

Bill

Do you rate the Blake SR or JBX range?
I'm struggling to find anyone who stocks them to have closer look!



Long experience of Blakes has made me a bit wary, but since Blake jnr went to
college things have improved no end. I'll defo be calling in and getting a few
samples. They're just down the road from here. Their stuff seems to be pretty
well made nowadays.

Bill

Bill,

Which company makes a decent log-periodic TV aerial?

They all seem to be either very badly made, have big dips in response
at the ends of the TV band, or both!

Cheers,
David.

Which company makes a decent log-periodic TV aerial?



At present we are using the Vision LP45, but to make them work properly I have
to remove the internal cable and connectors and rewire all the way to the front
terminals. Build quality is let down by the fact that the elements come loose
if knocked in transit. But they are OK once they are installed.
Vision, Fracarro and Antiference all seem to sell virtually identical log
periodic products.
I'm going to test the Blake one.

Bill

On 24 Jun 2004 01:27:46 -0700, (David
Robinson) wrote:


Which company makes a decent log-periodic TV aerial?

I've often seen these mentioned on here, curiosity has now got the
better of me. What is a log periodic & how does it vary from a normal
TV aerial?

CD