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BBC3 = CBBC ?
Are BBC3 and CBBC in some sense the same channel?
Being both on the same mux but never at the same time is suspicious. But sometimes the wrong channel will appear. Suppose I watch CBBC, turn the STB off before 7pm, wait until after 7pm and turn it back on. The LCN is still set to CBBC but BBC3 will sometimes appear for a little while before saying "Woops" and switching to the "This is CBBC" screen. Is there a "real" channel number (within the mux) behind the LCN? If so, is it documented anywhere? BBC4 and CBeebies would seem to be another similar pairing but we have no CBeebies watchers in the house so I have not see the wrong channel effect in that case. I did once notice the effect on one of the odder channels but I forget which it was. Does the odd community channel borrow space from one of the more normal channels? Which one? This all adds up to the question: how many real channels are there and how are they paired (or grouped)? Seán O'Leathlóbhair |
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O'Leathlobhair writes Are BBC3 and CBBC in some sense the same channel? Yes, they time-share space on the digital multiplex. BBC4 and Cbeebies are the same. -- Tim Mitchell |
"Tim Mitchell" wrote in message ... In article , Sean O'Leathlobhair writes Are BBC3 and CBBC in some sense the same channel? Yes, they time-share space on the digital multiplex. BBC4 and Cbeebies are the same. -- Tim Mitchell I don`t understand the point of the BBC broadcasting CBBC on 2 channels during the afernoons myself. |
On Thu, 13 May 2004 16:21:10 +0100, "uselesses"
wrote: "Tim Mitchell" wrote in message ... In article , Sean O'Leathlobhair writes Are BBC3 and CBBC in some sense the same channel? Yes, they time-share space on the digital multiplex. BBC4 and Cbeebies are the same. -- Tim Mitchell I don`t understand the point of the BBC broadcasting CBBC on 2 channels during the afernoons myself. Eh? Since when have they done that...? If you are referring to the fact that BBC1 shows kids TV between 3:30 and 5:30 then its pretty obvious why! BBC1/BBC2 CBBC - been doing it for years plus not everyone can get Cbeebies or CBBC channels via dtv Cbeebies and CBBC are dedicated digital channels for targeted age groups showing different programmes to BBC1/2 CBBC What's wrong with that? Are you not a parent? ;-) -- Moldy "Then you have the low-carb dieters. This involves the active avoidance of life-giving antioxidants while scarfing massive amounts of known carcinogens until someone punches you to death for bragging about how much weight you lost." - Scott Adams |
"Moldy" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 May 2004 16:21:10 +0100, "uselesses" wrote: "Tim Mitchell" wrote in message ... In article , Sean O'Leathlobhair writes Are BBC3 and CBBC in some sense the same channel? Yes, they time-share space on the digital multiplex. BBC4 and Cbeebies are the same. -- Tim Mitchell I don`t understand the point of the BBC broadcasting CBBC on 2 channels during the afernoons myself. Eh? Since when have they done that...? If you are referring to the fact that BBC1 shows kids TV between 3:30 and 5:30 then its pretty obvious why! BBC1/BBC2 CBBC - been doing it for years plus not everyone can get Cbeebies or CBBC channels via dtv Cbeebies and CBBC are dedicated digital channels for targeted age groups showing different programmes to BBC1/2 CBBC What's wrong with that? Are you not a parent? ;-) No I ain`t :o) What the bloody hell`s it doing on during the daytime while the kids are at school anyway? Pffft |
"uselesses" wrote in message ... "Moldy" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 May 2004 16:21:10 +0100, "uselesses" wrote: "Tim Mitchell" wrote in message ... In article , Sean O'Leathlobhair writes Are BBC3 and CBBC in some sense the same channel? Yes, they time-share space on the digital multiplex. BBC4 and Cbeebies are the same. -- Tim Mitchell I don`t understand the point of the BBC broadcasting CBBC on 2 channels during the afernoons myself. Eh? Since when have they done that...? If you are referring to the fact that BBC1 shows kids TV between 3:30 and 5:30 then its pretty obvious why! BBC1/BBC2 CBBC - been doing it for years plus not everyone can get Cbeebies or CBBC channels via dtv Cbeebies and CBBC are dedicated digital channels for targeted age groups showing different programmes to BBC1/2 CBBC What's wrong with that? Are you not a parent? ;-) No I ain`t :o) What the bloody hell`s it doing on during the daytime while the kids are at school anyway? Between 9am and 1pm the CBBC Channel shows schools programmes during term time, but you wouldn't have checked that out before your rant. However if you would like a valid argument, you could ask why there are a dozen other kids channels on air with cartoons. |
What the bloody hell`s it doing on during the daytime while the kids are
at school anyway? Well in the case of CBeebies, a lot of the programming is aimed as pre school children. My son thinks Balamorie is fantastic but is still at least 2 years off going to school :-) PS You really need to check out Tikkabilla next time you are off work sick. Sarah Jane is cute :-) |
uselesses wrote:
"Moldy" wrote in message ... No I ain`t :o) What the bloody hell`s it doing on during the daytime while the kids are at school anyway? Pffft what confuses me is the need for bbc to transmit 2 childrens broadcasts, 3 between 15.30 and 17.30, they should scrap one and make bbc 3 full time what they'll show on bbc 3 in the extra time is another matter.... |
This is the idea behind the BBC's digital channels, there are specialist channels and there are generalist channels. BBC1 and BBC2 will show general programmes from all genres, even when analogue is switched off, and the others will show to specialist audiences. Therefore there will always be overlap, CBBC on BBC1 and CBBC, News on BBC1 and News24, Documentaries on BBC2 and BBC4, comedy on BBC2 and BBC3. The aim is that the generalist channels lead to the specialist and vice versa. And besides it means that while the kiddiewinkles are watching BBC 1, I can go and watch repeats of the Basil Brush Show on CBBC everyday at 4.30pm! Fantastic....... ;) |
Between 9am and 1pm the CBBC Channel shows schools programmes during term time, but you wouldn't have checked that out before your rant. However if you would like a valid argument, you could ask why there are a dozen other kids channels on air with cartoons. Aw c`mon rant is a bit harsh :o) These channels are probably a godsend for Parents but I ain`t got no use for em! I`m sure there`s been times when I`ve turned on the TV and theres been childrens programmes on all 4 BBC channels! |
"uselesses" wrote in message ... Between 9am and 1pm the CBBC Channel shows schools programmes during term time, but you wouldn't have checked that out before your rant. However if you would like a valid argument, you could ask why there are a dozen other kids channels on air with cartoons. Aw c`mon rant is a bit harsh :o) These channels are probably a godsend for Parents but I ain`t got no use for em! I`m sure there`s been times when I`ve turned on the TV and theres been childrens programmes on all 4 BBC channels! I bet there hasn't... |
I`m sure there`s been times when I`ve turned on the TV and theres been
childrens programmes on all 4 BBC channels! I bet there hasn't... I bet ya large sums of money there has. I know for a fact during school holidays in the mornings I`ve browsed through all 5 terrestrial analogue channels and found cartoons and childrens programmes on all 5. |
"uselesses" wrote in message ...
I`m sure there`s been times when I`ve turned on the TV and theres been childrens programmes on all 4 BBC channels! All 4? The BBC keep on telling us they have 8 channels... I am constantly frustrated by all the kids TV programming on BBC News 24 and BBC Parliament. ;o) Ric. |
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Moldy k wrote in message . ..
On 18 May 2004 07:55:35 -0700, (Sean O'Leathlobhair) wrote: (Ricky) wrote in message om... "uselesses" wrote in message ... I`m sure there`s been times when I`ve turned on the TV and theres been childrens programmes on all 4 BBC channels! All 4? The BBC keep on telling us they have 8 channels... I am constantly frustrated by all the kids TV programming on BBC News 24 and BBC Parliament. ;o) Ric. I forgot to comment on the "8 channels". This is where the thread started. It seems to me that BBC3 and CBBC are really one channel masquerading as two and BBC4 and CBeebies are another such pair. So it may be more accurate to s ay 6 channels since that is the maximum choice you ever have. Rubbish. They are separate, distinct channels which cater to a different demographic. As soon as you take your head out of your backside and realise that Freeview is not your personal programming selection, its a national service which caters for a multitude of demographics and tastes the better. Stop complaining. Be thankful you don't have just 1 channel full of state authorised propaganda. Numpty Good grief, what did I do to deserve that? I was not even complaining, if you had read further down, you would have seen me say that I was happy with the BBC3 / CBBC distinction. All I was doing was observing some odd behaviour of my STB and counting channels. The STB sometimes confuses BBC3 and CBBC. There are never more than 6 BBC channels active at one time. Do these observations deserve your attack? Unless it is an apology, you are not welcome to reply to this, or any other post of mine. S |
Moldy k wrote in message . ..
On 18 May 2004 07:55:35 -0700, (Sean O'Leathlobhair) wrote: I forgot to comment on the "8 channels". This is where the thread started. It seems to me that BBC3 and CBBC are really one channel masquerading as two and BBC4 and CBeebies are another such pair. So it may be more accurate to say 6 channels since that is the maximum choice you ever have. Rubbish. They are separate, distinct channels which cater to a different demographic. As soon as you take your head out of your backside and realise that Freeview is not your personal programming selection, its a national service which caters for a multitude of demographics and tastes the better. Stop complaining. Be thankful you don't have just 1 channel full of state authorised propaganda. Moldy, I suspect it is you with your head up your backside... There is no time of the day when the BBC is broadcasting 8 distinct TV channels in the UK. CBBC and BBC 3 never co-exist. Similarly with CBeebies and BBC 4. I am in agreement with Sean's post - what is the point of having different channel numbers for channels that are broadcast on the same Muxes and will never co-exist? And please don't witter on about demographics; BBC 2 caters for different sub-sets of society at different times of the day/week but doesn't feel the need to call itself different names depending on who is watching at any given time. Back in the good old days of BBC Choice, kids TV (cbeebies) was on Choice during the day and it switched to "adult" programming at 7pm. But no changing of channels was necessary. And in the case of CBBC and BBC3 the line that divides the demographics is pretty blurry anyway - I don't see why it isn't just called BBC 3 all day long. (Of course the Cbeebies/BBC 4 demographics are not so close...) Feel free to dispute these statements. Ric. |
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On 18 May 2004 14:14:39 -0700, (Sean
O'Leathlobhair) wrote: Moldy k wrote in message . .. On 18 May 2004 07:55:35 -0700, (Sean O'Leathlobhair) wrote: (Ricky) wrote in message om... "uselesses" wrote in message ... I`m sure there`s been times when I`ve turned on the TV and theres been childrens programmes on all 4 BBC channels! All 4? The BBC keep on telling us they have 8 channels... I am constantly frustrated by all the kids TV programming on BBC News 24 and BBC Parliament. ;o) Ric. I forgot to comment on the "8 channels". This is where the thread started. It seems to me that BBC3 and CBBC are really one channel masquerading as two and BBC4 and CBeebies are another such pair. So it may be more accurate to s ay 6 channels since that is the maximum choice you ever have. Rubbish. They are separate, distinct channels which cater to a different demographic. As soon as you take your head out of your backside and realise that Freeview is not your personal programming selection, its a national service which caters for a multitude of demographics and tastes the better. Stop complaining. Be thankful you don't have just 1 channel full of state authorised propaganda. Numpty Good grief, what did I do to deserve that? Erm not much really. I was not even complaining, if you had read further down, you would have seen me say that I was happy with the BBC3 / CBBC distinction. Yes, I should have read on - my rant was more aimed at those in this thread who are saying there should be no CBBC/CBEEBIES at all. All I was doing was observing some odd behaviour of my STB and counting channels. The STB sometimes confuses BBC3 and CBBC. There are never more than 6 BBC channels active at one time. Do these observations deserve your attack? Not at all Unless it is an apology, you are not welcome to reply to this, or any other post of mine. I hereby apologise Sean. S -- Moldy Elim - Web Design, Custom Build PCs and Software http://www.elim.co.uk http://webdesign.elim.co.uk http://software.elim.co.uk http://custombuild.elim.co.uk |
On 18 May 2004 15:30:03 -0700, (Ricky) wrote:
Moldy k wrote in message . .. On 18 May 2004 07:55:35 -0700, (Sean O'Leathlobhair) wrote: I forgot to comment on the "8 channels". This is where the thread started. It seems to me that BBC3 and CBBC are really one channel masquerading as two and BBC4 and CBeebies are another such pair. So it may be more accurate to say 6 channels since that is the maximum choice you ever have. Rubbish. They are separate, distinct channels which cater to a different demographic. As soon as you take your head out of your backside and realise that Freeview is not your personal programming selection, its a national service which caters for a multitude of demographics and tastes the better. Stop complaining. Be thankful you don't have just 1 channel full of state authorised propaganda. Moldy, I suspect it is you with your head up your backside... At the time I posted that, you are probably right ;-) There is no time of the day when the BBC is broadcasting 8 distinct TV channels in the UK. CBBC and BBC 3 never co-exist. Similarly with CBeebies and BBC 4. I am in agreement with Sean's post - what is the point of having different channel numbers for channels that are broadcast on the same Muxes and will never co-exist? And please don't witter on about demographics; BBC 2 caters for different sub-sets of society at different times of the day/week but doesn't feel the need to call itself different names depending on who is watching at any given time. Back in the good old days of BBC Choice, kids TV (cbeebies) was on Choice during the day and it switched to "adult" programming at 7pm. But no changing of channels was necessary. And in the case of CBBC and BBC3 the line that divides the demographics is pretty blurry anyway - I don't see why it isn't just called BBC 3 all day long. (Of course the Cbeebies/BBC 4 demographics are not so close...) Feel free to dispute these statements. As to this, I cannot add anything further to what Stephen has already said in reply - I am in total agreement with him. Ric. -- Moldy Elim - Web Design, Custom Build PCs and Software http://www.elim.co.uk http://webdesign.elim.co.uk http://software.elim.co.uk http://custombuild.elim.co.uk |
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wrote: Back in the good old days of BBC Choice, kids TV (cbeebies) was on Choice during the day and it switched to "adult" programming at 7pm. But no changing of channels was necessary. Back in the 1950s we had "Children's Hour" and the rest of the evening's programmes all on the same channel at different times, and our TV set didn't even have a tuning control. We switched it on, and we switched it off, and that arrangement worked perfectly well. Rod. |
"Ricky" wrote in message
... There is no time of the day when the BBC is broadcasting 8 distinct TV channels in the UK. CBBC and BBC 3 never co-exist. Similarly with CBeebies and BBC 4. Hmmm, BBC1 BBC2 BBC3/CBBC BBC4/CBeebies News24 Parliament/Community and then the 2 'interactive' channels 701 702 I make that 8 distinct channels - OK, they are not full time, but they will all be in use come Wimbledon. |
"Ray Pearce" wrote in message
Hmmm, BBC1 BBC2 BBC3/CBBC BBC4/CBeebies News24 Parliament/Community and then the 2 'interactive' channels 701 702 I make that 8 distinct channels - OK, they are not full time, but they will all be in use come Wimbledon. Actually Community (and presumably parliament) share the same PIDs as 702. So only 7. Some areas seem to have 703 as well. I've no idea how it fits into the scheme. -- Brian Gregory (In the UK). To email me remove the letter vee. |
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BBC2 BBC3/CBBC BBC4/CBeebies News24 Parliament/Community and then the 2 'interactive' channels 701 702 I make that 8 distinct channels - OK, they are not full time, but they will all be in use come Wimbledon. Actually Community (and presumably parliament) share the same PIDs as 702. So only 7. BBC Parliament is a channel in its own right. It has no connection with The Community Channel (which in itself uses the capacity of 702 during the night). Strictly (politically) speaking, 701 and 702 aren't channels in the sense that the others are. Some areas seem to have 703 as well. I've no idea how it fits into the scheme. 703 is a data channel. |
Moldy k wrote in message . ..
On 18 May 2004 14:14:39 -0700, (Sean O'Leathlobhair) wrote: Moldy k wrote in message . .. On 18 May 2004 07:55:35 -0700, (Sean O'Leathlobhair) wrote: (Ricky) wrote in message om... "uselesses" wrote in message ... I`m sure there`s been times when I`ve turned on the TV and theres been childrens programmes on all 4 BBC channels! All 4? The BBC keep on telling us they have 8 channels... I am constantly frustrated by all the kids TV programming on BBC News 24 and BBC Parliament. ;o) Ric. I forgot to comment on the "8 channels". This is where the thread started. It seems to me that BBC3 and CBBC are really one channel masquerading as two and BBC4 and CBeebies are another such pair. So it may be more accurate to s ay 6 channels since that is the maximum choice you ever have. Rubbish. They are separate, distinct channels which cater to a different demographic. As soon as you take your head out of your backside and realise that Freeview is not your personal programming selection, its a national service which caters for a multitude of demographics and tastes the better. Stop complaining. Be thankful you don't have just 1 channel full of state authorised propaganda. Numpty Good grief, what did I do to deserve that? Erm not much really. I was not even complaining, if you had read further down, you would have seen me say that I was happy with the BBC3 / CBBC distinction. Yes, I should have read on - my rant was more aimed at those in this thread who are saying there should be no CBBC/CBEEBIES at all. All I was doing was observing some odd behaviour of my STB and counting channels. The STB sometimes confuses BBC3 and CBBC. There are never more than 6 BBC channels active at one time. Do these observations deserve your attack? Not at all Unless it is an apology, you are not welcome to reply to this, or any other post of mine. I hereby apologise Sean. S Thanks. Explosions in the news groups seem common but apologies are rare so I appreciate that. I am actually a strong defender of the BBC. I have no objection to the children's channels. My son likes CBBC very much and if I get home from work in time, I sometimes watch it with him. Nobody in the house watches CBeebies but I do not object to its existence. I don't like sport but I don't complain about the Sky Sports News channel (well I did in another post in this thread but I hope that it was obviously a joke). This thread was just meant to be a technical query prompted by the odd behaviour of one of my STBs which sometimes confuses BBC3 and CBBC. It was not meant to be an attack on the BBC. Seán O'Leathlóbhair |
"Ray Pearce" wrote in message ...
"Ricky" wrote in message ... There is no time of the day when the BBC is broadcasting 8 distinct TV channels in the UK. CBBC and BBC 3 never co-exist. Similarly with CBeebies and BBC 4. Hmmm, BBC1 BBC2 BBC3/CBBC BBC4/CBeebies News24 Parliament/Community and then the 2 'interactive' channels 701 702 I make that 8 distinct channels - OK, they are not full time, but they will all be in use come Wimbledon. I was ignoring the 70x channels since they do not seem to be publicised as channels rather than support for the interactive services of other channels. I do not have them set as favourites and do not access them directly. But I accept that if you are counting data streams, which I was attempting to do, then they should be counted. So there are 8 channel names (counting BBC3 and CBBC separately) and 8 streams (counting the 70x channels), it is just that the relationship between them is not as simple as those numbers would suggest. Seán O'Leathlóbhair |
Stephen Neal wrote in message ...
On 18/5/04 11:30 pm, in article , "Ricky" wrote: I am in agreement with Sean's post - what is the point of having different channel numbers for channels that are broadcast on the same Muxes and will never co-exist? And please don't witter on about demographics; BBC 2 caters for different sub-sets of society at different times of the day/week but doesn't feel the need to call itself different names depending on who is watching at any given time. Err - you are ignoring the importance of the EPG in viewing via digital platforms - especially on Sky Digital and Digital Cable. The BBC discovered that CBBC on Choice wasn't getting surfed by younger viewers (i.e. Kids - the target audience) much as they were all surfing around the Kids channels on Sky, and not finding BBC Choice (which was in the general bit of the EPG) [snip] It isn't the channel number that is important these days - it is the position of the channel within the EPG (and also which channels it is close to) OK. Fair point. I'm not much of a "channel surfer" so the position of channels on the EPG is totally irrelevant to me, but obviously the younger generation (boy, do I sound old, I'm only 33) do things differently. I tend to only watch the telly when there's something on that I want to watch (i.e. not very often these days) - and I find out what's on by perusing a TV mag when it comes out and highlighting those programmes I want to watch. If there's nowt of interest on telly I watch nowt! (and generally listen to the radio or a CD instead) I can't get into the mindset of those who switch on the telly and surf about until they find "the best thing that's on at the moment" and watch that - even if its total crap. Of course, you occasionally find a gem that way, but not very often. Thus the order on the EPG is irrelevant to me. Indeed, I have one of the old OnDodgy boxes that you can rearrange the channel numbers on so all the channels I watch with any regularity are in the single-digits part of the epg, and that includes News 24 (8 on my box) and Cbeebies for my toddler (9 on the box)... Ric. |
"Stephen Neal" wrote in message ... .... Loads snipped ... I think 703 may be a holding channel for the News Interactive feed ? I beleive 703 is a gateway for applications that are jumping in from the other BBC Mux. I think there were worries that when an application forced a mux change that the first thing the STBs did after tuning to the new mux was to start-up the video decoder. Only once the video and audio decoders were running did STBs then start up the text application. Before deciding to hide the Parliament & multiscreen video there were concerns that the viewer selecting Parliament or a multiscreen from a service on Mux1 would see a few seconds worth of the Parliament/multiscreen matrixed video. I think 703 was created as service with no video component to be used as a jumping-in point to get around this problem. Something clever happens as you have to arrive at 703 from another text application for the gateway to work so I guess some sort of attribute is passed or retained across the mux-tune. Glyn --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.688 / Virus Database: 449 - Release Date: 18/05/2004 |
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