Freeview Boss Quits
 

.... and is in talks to join the planned pay-TV service on Freeview:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...140103,00.html


--
Steve - http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/

DAB sounds worse than Freeview, digital satellite, cable, broadband internet and FM

In article ,
(Steve) writes:
... and is in talks to join the planned pay-TV service on Freeview:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...140103,00.html

K3W1, isn't it. They persuaded us all to buy the Freeview boxes, and now they
propose to try to persuade us to buy yet another set-top box to do Top-Up TV.
I, for one, am not about to fall for that one. Apart from anything else,
there's bugger-all space for any more SCART cables underneath and behind my
TVs...

One would have thought that making the Freeview boxes in such a way as to
allow for pay services to be piggybacked would have been a better move, if
there was ever going to be a notion to do it.
--
SAm.

In article ,
(Steve) writes:
... and is in talks to join the planned pay-TV service on Freeview:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...140103,00.html

K3W1, isn't it. They persuaded us all to buy the Freeview boxes, and now they
propose to try to persuade us to buy yet another set-top box to do Top-Up TV.
I, for one, am not about to fall for that one. Apart from anything else,
there's bugger-all space for any more SCART cables underneath and behind my
TVs...

One would have thought that making the Freeview boxes in such a way as to
allow for pay services to be piggybacked would have been a better move, if
there was ever going to be a notion to do it.
--
SAm.

"HI, I'm Sam Nelson. You may remember me from postings such as...
In article ,
(Steve) writes:
... and is in talks to join the planned pay-TV service on Freeview:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...140103,00.html

K3W1, isn't it. They persuaded us all to buy the Freeview boxes, and
now they propose to try to persuade us to buy yet another set-top box
to do Top-Up TV. I, for one, am not about to fall for that one.
Apart from anything else, there's bugger-all space for any more SCART
cables underneath and behind my TVs...

One would have thought that making the Freeview boxes in such a way
as to allow for pay services to be piggybacked would have been a
better move, if there was ever going to be a notion to do it.

its all the fault of some manufacturers trying to get as cheap as possible
boxes out without looking to the future that pay could happen and
cards/encryption are a standard feature of the dvb broadcast system. my
first freeview box (pace dtva) has a card slot at bottom so is comparible,
and my curent pace twin has a slot at the front, i wouldnt of bought one
without as in my mind pay tv was always going to come back (although i
thought more likely with the analog switch off)

"HI, I'm Sam Nelson. You may remember me from postings such as...
In article ,
(Steve) writes:
... and is in talks to join the planned pay-TV service on Freeview:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...140103,00.html

K3W1, isn't it. They persuaded us all to buy the Freeview boxes, and
now they propose to try to persuade us to buy yet another set-top box
to do Top-Up TV. I, for one, am not about to fall for that one.
Apart from anything else, there's bugger-all space for any more SCART
cables underneath and behind my TVs...

One would have thought that making the Freeview boxes in such a way
as to allow for pay services to be piggybacked would have been a
better move, if there was ever going to be a notion to do it.

its all the fault of some manufacturers trying to get as cheap as possible
boxes out without looking to the future that pay could happen and
cards/encryption are a standard feature of the dvb broadcast system. my
first freeview box (pace dtva) has a card slot at bottom so is comparible,
and my curent pace twin has a slot at the front, i wouldnt of bought one
without as in my mind pay tv was always going to come back (although i
thought more likely with the analog switch off)

Sam Nelson wrote:
In article ,
(Steve) writes:
... and is in talks to join the planned pay-TV service on Freeview:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...140103,00.html

K3W1, isn't it.


Eh?


They persuaded us all to buy the Freeview boxes, and
now they propose to try to persuade us to buy yet another set-top box
to do Top-Up TV. I, for one, am not about to fall for that one.


It depends what you want; if you're happy with Freeview as it is then
you won't be affected AFAIK, but for those that would like some decent
extra channels I think it's a good idea when it's only about £2 per
week.


Apart from anything else, there's bugger-all space for any more SCART
cables underneath and behind my TVs...


You could just sell your existing Freeview box.


--
Steve - http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/ - Digital Radio News & Info

DAB sounds worse than Freeview, digital satellite, cable, broadband
internet and FM

Sam Nelson wrote:
In article ,
(Steve) writes:
... and is in talks to join the planned pay-TV service on Freeview:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...140103,00.html

K3W1, isn't it.


Eh?


They persuaded us all to buy the Freeview boxes, and
now they propose to try to persuade us to buy yet another set-top box
to do Top-Up TV. I, for one, am not about to fall for that one.


It depends what you want; if you're happy with Freeview as it is then
you won't be affected AFAIK, but for those that would like some decent
extra channels I think it's a good idea when it's only about £2 per
week.


Apart from anything else, there's bugger-all space for any more SCART
cables underneath and behind my TVs...


You could just sell your existing Freeview box.


--
Steve - http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/ - Digital Radio News & Info

DAB sounds worse than Freeview, digital satellite, cable, broadband
internet and FM

ChrisM wrote:
"HI, I'm Sam Nelson. You may remember me from postings such as...
In article ,
(Steve) writes:
... and is in talks to join the planned pay-TV service on Freeview:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...140103,00.html

K3W1, isn't it. They persuaded us all to buy the Freeview boxes, and
now they propose to try to persuade us to buy yet another set-top box
to do Top-Up TV. I, for one, am not about to fall for that one.
Apart from anything else, there's bugger-all space for any more SCART
cables underneath and behind my TVs...

One would have thought that making the Freeview boxes in such a way
as to allow for pay services to be piggybacked would have been a
better move, if there was ever going to be a notion to do it.

its all the fault of some manufacturers trying to get as cheap as
possible boxes out without looking to the future that pay could
happen and cards/encryption are a standard feature of the dvb
broadcast system.


I agree. It's like DAB receivers are virtually all Band III-only, but in
2007 there'll be DAB transmissions on L-band as well which will require
everybody that wants L-band reception to go out and buy another DAB
receiver. I'd love to know the percentage of people that knew that their
DAB radio will be partially-obsolete in just 3 years' time.


my first freeview box (pace dtva) has a card slot
at bottom so is comparible, and my curent pace twin has a slot at the
front, i wouldnt of bought one without as in my mind pay tv was
always going to come back (although i thought more likely with the
analog switch off)


I've got a Nokia 9850T refurb with a card slot, and a Pioneer DBRTF100
without, so I think I'd get another box if it happens...


--
Steve - http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/ - Digital Radio News & Info

DAB sounds worse than Freeview, digital satellite, cable, broadband
internet and FM

ChrisM wrote:
"HI, I'm Sam Nelson. You may remember me from postings such as...
In article ,
(Steve) writes:
... and is in talks to join the planned pay-TV service on Freeview:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...140103,00.html

K3W1, isn't it. They persuaded us all to buy the Freeview boxes, and
now they propose to try to persuade us to buy yet another set-top box
to do Top-Up TV. I, for one, am not about to fall for that one.
Apart from anything else, there's bugger-all space for any more SCART
cables underneath and behind my TVs...

One would have thought that making the Freeview boxes in such a way
as to allow for pay services to be piggybacked would have been a
better move, if there was ever going to be a notion to do it.

its all the fault of some manufacturers trying to get as cheap as
possible boxes out without looking to the future that pay could
happen and cards/encryption are a standard feature of the dvb
broadcast system.


I agree. It's like DAB receivers are virtually all Band III-only, but in
2007 there'll be DAB transmissions on L-band as well which will require
everybody that wants L-band reception to go out and buy another DAB
receiver. I'd love to know the percentage of people that knew that their
DAB radio will be partially-obsolete in just 3 years' time.


my first freeview box (pace dtva) has a card slot
at bottom so is comparible, and my curent pace twin has a slot at the
front, i wouldnt of bought one without as in my mind pay tv was
always going to come back (although i thought more likely with the
analog switch off)


I've got a Nokia 9850T refurb with a card slot, and a Pioneer DBRTF100
without, so I think I'd get another box if it happens...


--
Steve - http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/ - Digital Radio News & Info

DAB sounds worse than Freeview, digital satellite, cable, broadband
internet and FM

Orange wrote:
:
: As the old ITV-Digital encryption was apparently 'compromised', wouldn't
: they have to choose a completely different and much more secure system?

ITV Digital used SECA - which was totally compromised. SECA-2 is, however,
very closely related but, AFAIK, quite secure....but see below!

: "The biggest of these is the fact that, at present, only around 800,000
: Freeview viewers - who use the old ITV Digital boxes - have the necessary
: conditional access elements and card slots required to watch pay-TV."

ITV Digital were planning to move to SECA-2 before events caught up with
them ...BUT... there is curently no mechanism for updating the software in
the old STBs!! Presumably a move to SECA-2 would need such an update.

Orange wrote:
:
: As the old ITV-Digital encryption was apparently 'compromised', wouldn't
: they have to choose a completely different and much more secure system?

ITV Digital used SECA - which was totally compromised. SECA-2 is, however,
very closely related but, AFAIK, quite secure....but see below!

: "The biggest of these is the fact that, at present, only around 800,000
: Freeview viewers - who use the old ITV Digital boxes - have the necessary
: conditional access elements and card slots required to watch pay-TV."

ITV Digital were planning to move to SECA-2 before events caught up with
them ...BUT... there is curently no mechanism for updating the software in
the old STBs!! Presumably a move to SECA-2 would need such an update.

On 3 Feb 2004 08:03:40 -0800, (Steve) wrote:

... and is in talks to join the planned pay-TV service on Freeview:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...140103,00.html


So........if they're planning on using the old 'slot' then presumably
they're going to use the same principle for encryption. I wonder what
the potential is for a repeat of the mass piracy that ITV Digital had
to cope with?

Mind you I'm not a techie; and it's a complete mystery to me why Sky
has never been cracked when at least 90% of all the other technologies
have been cracked around the globe, but I'd be very interested to
know what the possibilities are.

On a tangent, but still a little relevant, can anyone explain in
layman's speak why Sky has proved so difficult to crack?



Peter

On 3 Feb 2004 08:03:40 -0800, (Steve) wrote:

... and is in talks to join the planned pay-TV service on Freeview:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...140103,00.html


So........if they're planning on using the old 'slot' then presumably
they're going to use the same principle for encryption. I wonder what
the potential is for a repeat of the mass piracy that ITV Digital had
to cope with?

Mind you I'm not a techie; and it's a complete mystery to me why Sky
has never been cracked when at least 90% of all the other technologies
have been cracked around the globe, but I'd be very interested to
know what the possibilities are.

On a tangent, but still a little relevant, can anyone explain in
layman's speak why Sky has proved so difficult to crack?



Peter

On 3 Feb 2004 23:32:15 GMT, Brian McIlwrath wrote:

ITV Digital were planning to move to SECA-2 before events caught up with
them ...BUT... there is curently no mechanism for updating the software in
the old STBs!! Presumably a move to SECA-2 would need such an update.


And who has the rights to the source code to upgrade these? CANAL+,
isn't it? They're hopelessly out of date as it is with the various
MHEG and other changes.

How many OnDodgytal STBs have been junked due to the inability to
decode recent MHEG and other issues? I presume quite a few.

And where the feck are they going to get the extra bandwidth from?
Do any of the transmitters have enough space for even one extra
MUX, given the various problems with overlap?

Top-Up TV should rename themselves Tits-Up TV - as that's the
direction they'll be heading in not long after they launch, if
they ever do.

On 3 Feb 2004 23:32:15 GMT, Brian McIlwrath wrote:

ITV Digital were planning to move to SECA-2 before events caught up with
them ...BUT... there is curently no mechanism for updating the software in
the old STBs!! Presumably a move to SECA-2 would need such an update.


And who has the rights to the source code to upgrade these? CANAL+,
isn't it? They're hopelessly out of date as it is with the various
MHEG and other changes.

How many OnDodgytal STBs have been junked due to the inability to
decode recent MHEG and other issues? I presume quite a few.

And where the feck are they going to get the extra bandwidth from?
Do any of the transmitters have enough space for even one extra
MUX, given the various problems with overlap?

Top-Up TV should rename themselves Tits-Up TV - as that's the
direction they'll be heading in not long after they launch, if
they ever do.

"Steve" wrote in message
m...
... and is in talks to join the planned pay-TV service on Freeview:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...140103,00.html


--
Steve - http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/

DAB sounds worse than Freeview, digital satellite, cable, broadband
internet and FM

Suely, if they decide to go the pay-tv route, then aren't Freeview breaking
their licence as the consortium was granted a licence to the frequencies
because they were setting up a FREE service? If people are unhappy with the
prospect of pay-tv services, they should lobby the freeview consortium for
mis-selling the service

S

"Steve" wrote in message
m...
... and is in talks to join the planned pay-TV service on Freeview:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...140103,00.html


--
Steve - http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/

DAB sounds worse than Freeview, digital satellite, cable, broadband
internet and FM

Suely, if they decide to go the pay-tv route, then aren't Freeview breaking
their licence as the consortium was granted a licence to the frequencies
because they were setting up a FREE service? If people are unhappy with the
prospect of pay-tv services, they should lobby the freeview consortium for
mis-selling the service

S

simonbray wrote:
If people are unhappy with the prospect of pay-tv services, they
should lobby the freeview consortium for mis-selling the service


Quite the reverse, in my case. I'm looking forward to the prospect of
something decent to watch for a change. I get the impression that with
Freeview I'm very much getting what I'm paying for. bid-up TV? Sky Travel?


--
Tony

simonbray wrote:
If people are unhappy with the prospect of pay-tv services, they
should lobby the freeview consortium for mis-selling the service


Quite the reverse, in my case. I'm looking forward to the prospect of
something decent to watch for a change. I get the impression that with
Freeview I'm very much getting what I'm paying for. bid-up TV? Sky Travel?


--
Tony

If people are unhappy with the prospect of pay-tv services, they
should lobby the freeview consortium for mis-selling the service

Quite the reverse, in my case. I'm looking forward to the prospect of
something decent to watch for a change. I get the impression that with
Freeview I'm very much getting what I'm paying for. bid-up TV? Sky
Travel?

Keeping in in context, Sky travel (and the two hours of Thompson on FTN) are
the only shopping services on "freeview". BBC and CC had no involvement with
SDN's decision to broadcast shopping on its empty space. Working out the
figures that's less than 1 24-hour channel broadcasting shopping compared to
all the other TV and radio stations available on Freeview.

If the manufacturers were planning to update the box software they would
need to get the rights from Canal. The other option would be the cam slot on
the fornt of digiboxes where a piece of hardware could be added to provide a
more robust encryption as found on sky.
At present, unless they were planning to take over all the shopping channel
space on SDN and Channel 4's space there is no way they could have the room
for anything else.
Personally thanks to the software design I have removed all the shopping
channels from my system and shifted them round to make it much more
sensible - e.g.:

18 The Hits
19 TMF
20 FTN
21 UK Bright Ideas

70 1Xtra
71 Radio 1
72 Radio 2
73 Radio 3
74 Radio 4
75 Radio 5
76 6Music
77 BBC7
78 Asian
79 Live Extra
80 World


If they do update the software, will they change the menu and remove the
Ondigital logo????

If people are unhappy with the prospect of pay-tv services, they
should lobby the freeview consortium for mis-selling the service

Quite the reverse, in my case. I'm looking forward to the prospect of
something decent to watch for a change. I get the impression that with
Freeview I'm very much getting what I'm paying for. bid-up TV? Sky
Travel?

Keeping in in context, Sky travel (and the two hours of Thompson on FTN) are
the only shopping services on "freeview". BBC and CC had no involvement with
SDN's decision to broadcast shopping on its empty space. Working out the
figures that's less than 1 24-hour channel broadcasting shopping compared to
all the other TV and radio stations available on Freeview.

If the manufacturers were planning to update the box software they would
need to get the rights from Canal. The other option would be the cam slot on
the fornt of digiboxes where a piece of hardware could be added to provide a
more robust encryption as found on sky.
At present, unless they were planning to take over all the shopping channel
space on SDN and Channel 4's space there is no way they could have the room
for anything else.
Personally thanks to the software design I have removed all the shopping
channels from my system and shifted them round to make it much more
sensible - e.g.:

18 The Hits
19 TMF
20 FTN
21 UK Bright Ideas

70 1Xtra
71 Radio 1
72 Radio 2
73 Radio 3
74 Radio 4
75 Radio 5
76 6Music
77 BBC7
78 Asian
79 Live Extra
80 World


If they do update the software, will they change the menu and remove the
Ondigital logo????

Mat Overton wrote:
If people are unhappy with the prospect of pay-tv services, they
should lobby the freeview consortium for mis-selling the service

Quite the reverse, in my case. I'm looking forward to the prospect
of something decent to watch for a change. I get the impression
that with Freeview I'm very much getting what I'm paying for.
bid-up TV? Sky Travel?

Keeping in in context, Sky travel (and the two hours of Thompson on
FTN) are the only shopping services on "freeview".

So QVC, bid-up TV and price-drop TV (and until recently Travel Shop) are
what? Current affairs channels?

BBC and CC had no involvement with SDN's decision to broadcast
shopping on its empty space.

Agreed. The end result, however, is the same. As a consumer of
Freeview I couldn't, frankly, give a tinker's dam whether a given
channel comes out of the BBC, SDN, Sky or the Vatican as long as it's
worth watching. Freeview is Freeview, as far as the viewer's concerned.


Working out the figures that's less than 1 24-hour channel
broadcasting shopping compared to all the other TV and radio stations
available on Freeview.

You've omitted QVC. That's another 24 hours straight away.



If they do update the software, will they change the menu and remove
the Ondigital logo????


eeeh - I remember when it were all trees round 'ere, and people were
asking the same questions about ITV Digital :-)

--
Tony

Mat Overton wrote:
If people are unhappy with the prospect of pay-tv services, they
should lobby the freeview consortium for mis-selling the service

Quite the reverse, in my case. I'm looking forward to the prospect
of something decent to watch for a change. I get the impression
that with Freeview I'm very much getting what I'm paying for.
bid-up TV? Sky Travel?

Keeping in in context, Sky travel (and the two hours of Thompson on
FTN) are the only shopping services on "freeview".

So QVC, bid-up TV and price-drop TV (and until recently Travel Shop) are
what? Current affairs channels?

BBC and CC had no involvement with SDN's decision to broadcast
shopping on its empty space.

Agreed. The end result, however, is the same. As a consumer of
Freeview I couldn't, frankly, give a tinker's dam whether a given
channel comes out of the BBC, SDN, Sky or the Vatican as long as it's
worth watching. Freeview is Freeview, as far as the viewer's concerned.


Working out the figures that's less than 1 24-hour channel
broadcasting shopping compared to all the other TV and radio stations
available on Freeview.

You've omitted QVC. That's another 24 hours straight away.



If they do update the software, will they change the menu and remove
the Ondigital logo????


eeeh - I remember when it were all trees round 'ere, and people were
asking the same questions about ITV Digital :-)

--
Tony

"Tony Walton" wrote in message
...
simonbray wrote:


I get the impression that with Freeview I'm very much getting what I'm
paying for. bid-up TV? Sky Travel?


--
Tony



Oh are you Tony? In what way?

Archie

"Tony Walton" wrote in message
...
simonbray wrote:


I get the impression that with Freeview I'm very much getting what I'm
paying for. bid-up TV? Sky Travel?


--
Tony



Oh are you Tony? In what way?

Archie

In article ,
"DAB sounds worse than FM" writes:
Sam Nelson wrote:
They persuaded us all to buy the Freeview boxes, and
now they propose to try to persuade us to buy yet another set-top box
to do Top-Up TV. I, for one, am not about to fall for that one.

It depends what you want; if you're happy with Freeview as it is then
you won't be affected AFAIK, but for those that would like some decent
extra channels I think it's a good idea when it's only about GBP2 per
week.

If the channels are `decent' then they should be able to live on their own
advertising, shouldn't they?

Apart from anything else, there's bugger-all space for any more SCART
cables underneath and behind my TVs...

You could just sell your existing Freeview box.

I could, yes. The point is, though, that this isn't supposed to be TV just
for gadget-freaks---it's supposed to be the way TV's going to be done for
_everyone_. Plenty of people aren't even clued-up on Freeview yet, so any
reasonable migration to Freeview+TopUp is going to have to be done at
approximately the same speed as the basic migration from analogue to digital.
Remember how long it took to get rid of 405 lines?
--
SAm.

In article ,
"DAB sounds worse than FM" writes:
Sam Nelson wrote:
They persuaded us all to buy the Freeview boxes, and
now they propose to try to persuade us to buy yet another set-top box
to do Top-Up TV. I, for one, am not about to fall for that one.

It depends what you want; if you're happy with Freeview as it is then
you won't be affected AFAIK, but for those that would like some decent
extra channels I think it's a good idea when it's only about GBP2 per
week.

If the channels are `decent' then they should be able to live on their own
advertising, shouldn't they?

Apart from anything else, there's bugger-all space for any more SCART
cables underneath and behind my TVs...

You could just sell your existing Freeview box.

I could, yes. The point is, though, that this isn't supposed to be TV just
for gadget-freaks---it's supposed to be the way TV's going to be done for
_everyone_. Plenty of people aren't even clued-up on Freeview yet, so any
reasonable migration to Freeview+TopUp is going to have to be done at
approximately the same speed as the basic migration from analogue to digital.
Remember how long it took to get rid of 405 lines?
--
SAm.

Archibold Pumper wrote:
"Tony Walton" wrote in message
...

simonbray wrote:



I get the impression that with Freeview I'm very much getting what I'm

paying for. bid-up TV? Sky Travel?


--
Tony




Oh are you Tony? In what way?



Channel 9 teletext is very slow :-P

--
Tony

Archibold Pumper wrote:
"Tony Walton" wrote in message
...

simonbray wrote:



I get the impression that with Freeview I'm very much getting what I'm

paying for. bid-up TV? Sky Travel?


--
Tony




Oh are you Tony? In what way?



Channel 9 teletext is very slow :-P

--
Tony

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:14:17 -0000, "Mat Overton"
wrote:

If they do update the software, will they change the menu and remove the
Ondigital logo????

AFAIK the old OnDodgy boxes cannot have software updates...

--


Moldy

The only difference between crap and art, is that art has brass name plates below it

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:14:17 -0000, "Mat Overton"
wrote:

If they do update the software, will they change the menu and remove the
Ondigital logo????

AFAIK the old OnDodgy boxes cannot have software updates...

--


Moldy

The only difference between crap and art, is that art has brass name plates below it

Moldy wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:14:17 -0000, "Mat Overton"
wrote:


If they do update the software, will they change the menu and
remove the Ondigital logo????


AFAIK the old OnDodgy boxes cannot have software updates...


They could, if someone would broadcast them. There's nothing
intrisically non-updatable in old ONd boxes. (IME of Nokia and Philips,
anyway)

--
Tony

Moldy wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:14:17 -0000, "Mat Overton"
wrote:


If they do update the software, will they change the menu and
remove the Ondigital logo????


AFAIK the old OnDodgy boxes cannot have software updates...


They could, if someone would broadcast them. There's nothing
intrisically non-updatable in old ONd boxes. (IME of Nokia and Philips,
anyway)

--
Tony

"Steve" wrote in message
m...
... and is in talks to join the planned pay-TV service on Freeview:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...140103,00.html


Yep, I'd probably pay but where will the channels go? I can't see it ever
happening unless loads of channels get junked or an extra couple of mux's
get added to the current 6.


--
Steve - http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/

DAB sounds worse than Freeview, digital satellite, cable, broadband
internet and FM

"Steve" wrote in message
m...
... and is in talks to join the planned pay-TV service on Freeview:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...140103,00.html


Yep, I'd probably pay but where will the channels go? I can't see it ever
happening unless loads of channels get junked or an extra couple of mux's
get added to the current 6.


--
Steve - http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/

DAB sounds worse than Freeview, digital satellite, cable, broadband
internet and FM

Steve wrote:
... and is in talks to join the planned pay-TV service on Freeview:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...140103,00.html

Its here....


www.topuptv.com

Steve wrote:
... and is in talks to join the planned pay-TV service on Freeview:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...140103,00.html

Its here....


www.topuptv.com

In article , steve41
@totalise.co.uk says...
... and is in talks to join the planned pay-TV service on Freeview:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...140103,00.html



ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!

In article , steve41
@totalise.co.uk says...
... and is in talks to join the planned pay-TV service on Freeview:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...140103,00.html



ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!

"simonbray" wrote in message ...

... and is in talks to join the planned pay-TV service on Freeview:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...140103,00.html

Suely, if they decide to go the pay-tv route, then aren't Freeview breaking
their licence as the consortium was granted a licence to the frequencies
because they were setting up a FREE service? If people are unhappy with the
prospect of pay-tv services, they should lobby the freeview consortium for
mis-selling the service

"Freeview" do not provide all the DTT channels in the UK (whatever the
misleading BBC advertising campaign says).

They do provide a lot of the channels, but two of the multiplexes are
operated by other companies. So long as the content on the freeview
multiplexes remains free, they are not breaking the conditions of
their licence.

As far as I know, the owners of the other two multiplexes (muxes "2"
and "A") are not obliged to provide a free service (as they do at the
moment - supplying us with free crap like QVC and bid-upTV). But ITV1,
C4 and Five are currently broadcast free on these muxes and I don't
think they'll be allowed to go encrypted.

Ric.