If people are unhappy with the prospect of pay-tv services, they
should lobby the freeview consortium for mis-selling the service

Quite the reverse, in my case. I'm looking forward to the prospect of
something decent to watch for a change. I get the impression that with
Freeview I'm very much getting what I'm paying for. bid-up TV? Sky
Travel?

Keeping in in context, Sky travel (and the two hours of Thompson on FTN) are
the only shopping services on "freeview". BBC and CC had no involvement with
SDN's decision to broadcast shopping on its empty space. Working out the
figures that's less than 1 24-hour channel broadcasting shopping compared to
all the other TV and radio stations available on Freeview.

If the manufacturers were planning to update the box software they would
need to get the rights from Canal. The other option would be the cam slot on
the fornt of digiboxes where a piece of hardware could be added to provide a
more robust encryption as found on sky.
At present, unless they were planning to take over all the shopping channel
space on SDN and Channel 4's space there is no way they could have the room
for anything else.
Personally thanks to the software design I have removed all the shopping
channels from my system and shifted them round to make it much more
sensible - e.g.:

18 The Hits
19 TMF
20 FTN
21 UK Bright Ideas

70 1Xtra
71 Radio 1
72 Radio 2
73 Radio 3
74 Radio 4
75 Radio 5
76 6Music
77 BBC7
78 Asian
79 Live Extra
80 World


If they do update the software, will they change the menu and remove the
Ondigital logo????

Mat Overton wrote:
If people are unhappy with the prospect of pay-tv services, they
should lobby the freeview consortium for mis-selling the service

Quite the reverse, in my case. I'm looking forward to the prospect
of something decent to watch for a change. I get the impression
that with Freeview I'm very much getting what I'm paying for.
bid-up TV? Sky Travel?

Keeping in in context, Sky travel (and the two hours of Thompson on
FTN) are the only shopping services on "freeview".

So QVC, bid-up TV and price-drop TV (and until recently Travel Shop) are
what? Current affairs channels?

BBC and CC had no involvement with SDN's decision to broadcast
shopping on its empty space.

Agreed. The end result, however, is the same. As a consumer of
Freeview I couldn't, frankly, give a tinker's dam whether a given
channel comes out of the BBC, SDN, Sky or the Vatican as long as it's
worth watching. Freeview is Freeview, as far as the viewer's concerned.


Working out the figures that's less than 1 24-hour channel
broadcasting shopping compared to all the other TV and radio stations
available on Freeview.

You've omitted QVC. That's another 24 hours straight away.



If they do update the software, will they change the menu and remove
the Ondigital logo????


eeeh - I remember when it were all trees round 'ere, and people were
asking the same questions about ITV Digital :-)

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Tony

Mat Overton wrote:
If people are unhappy with the prospect of pay-tv services, they
should lobby the freeview consortium for mis-selling the service

Quite the reverse, in my case. I'm looking forward to the prospect
of something decent to watch for a change. I get the impression
that with Freeview I'm very much getting what I'm paying for.
bid-up TV? Sky Travel?

Keeping in in context, Sky travel (and the two hours of Thompson on
FTN) are the only shopping services on "freeview".

So QVC, bid-up TV and price-drop TV (and until recently Travel Shop) are
what? Current affairs channels?

BBC and CC had no involvement with SDN's decision to broadcast
shopping on its empty space.

Agreed. The end result, however, is the same. As a consumer of
Freeview I couldn't, frankly, give a tinker's dam whether a given
channel comes out of the BBC, SDN, Sky or the Vatican as long as it's
worth watching. Freeview is Freeview, as far as the viewer's concerned.


Working out the figures that's less than 1 24-hour channel
broadcasting shopping compared to all the other TV and radio stations
available on Freeview.

You've omitted QVC. That's another 24 hours straight away.



If they do update the software, will they change the menu and remove
the Ondigital logo????


eeeh - I remember when it were all trees round 'ere, and people were
asking the same questions about ITV Digital :-)

--
Tony

"Tony Walton" wrote in message
...
simonbray wrote:


I get the impression that with Freeview I'm very much getting what I'm
paying for. bid-up TV? Sky Travel?


--
Tony



Oh are you Tony? In what way?

Archie

"Tony Walton" wrote in message
...
simonbray wrote:


I get the impression that with Freeview I'm very much getting what I'm
paying for. bid-up TV? Sky Travel?


--
Tony



Oh are you Tony? In what way?

Archie

In article ,
"DAB sounds worse than FM" writes:
Sam Nelson wrote:
They persuaded us all to buy the Freeview boxes, and
now they propose to try to persuade us to buy yet another set-top box
to do Top-Up TV. I, for one, am not about to fall for that one.

It depends what you want; if you're happy with Freeview as it is then
you won't be affected AFAIK, but for those that would like some decent
extra channels I think it's a good idea when it's only about GBP2 per
week.

If the channels are `decent' then they should be able to live on their own
advertising, shouldn't they?

Apart from anything else, there's bugger-all space for any more SCART
cables underneath and behind my TVs...

You could just sell your existing Freeview box.

I could, yes. The point is, though, that this isn't supposed to be TV just
for gadget-freaks---it's supposed to be the way TV's going to be done for
_everyone_. Plenty of people aren't even clued-up on Freeview yet, so any
reasonable migration to Freeview+TopUp is going to have to be done at
approximately the same speed as the basic migration from analogue to digital.
Remember how long it took to get rid of 405 lines?
--
SAm.

In article ,
"DAB sounds worse than FM" writes:
Sam Nelson wrote:
They persuaded us all to buy the Freeview boxes, and
now they propose to try to persuade us to buy yet another set-top box
to do Top-Up TV. I, for one, am not about to fall for that one.

It depends what you want; if you're happy with Freeview as it is then
you won't be affected AFAIK, but for those that would like some decent
extra channels I think it's a good idea when it's only about GBP2 per
week.

If the channels are `decent' then they should be able to live on their own
advertising, shouldn't they?

Apart from anything else, there's bugger-all space for any more SCART
cables underneath and behind my TVs...

You could just sell your existing Freeview box.

I could, yes. The point is, though, that this isn't supposed to be TV just
for gadget-freaks---it's supposed to be the way TV's going to be done for
_everyone_. Plenty of people aren't even clued-up on Freeview yet, so any
reasonable migration to Freeview+TopUp is going to have to be done at
approximately the same speed as the basic migration from analogue to digital.
Remember how long it took to get rid of 405 lines?
--
SAm.

Archibold Pumper wrote:
"Tony Walton" wrote in message
...

simonbray wrote:



I get the impression that with Freeview I'm very much getting what I'm

paying for. bid-up TV? Sky Travel?


--
Tony




Oh are you Tony? In what way?



Channel 9 teletext is very slow :-P

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Tony

Archibold Pumper wrote:
"Tony Walton" wrote in message
...

simonbray wrote:



I get the impression that with Freeview I'm very much getting what I'm

paying for. bid-up TV? Sky Travel?


--
Tony




Oh are you Tony? In what way?



Channel 9 teletext is very slow :-P

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Tony

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:14:17 -0000, "Mat Overton"
wrote:

If they do update the software, will they change the menu and remove the
Ondigital logo????

AFAIK the old OnDodgy boxes cannot have software updates...

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