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Freeview Channel listings / bitrates

I know this list is incorrect as it's a bit out of date, and in some cases
has been updated and in others not..... can anyone with a bit of expertease
add to and correct it?

MUX 1 (BBC) QAM16

BBC1: Video 4.35 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps
CBR
BBC2: Video 6.48 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps
STATMUXED

BBC CHOICE / CBBC: Video 6.48 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps STATMUXED

BBC News 24: Video 6.48 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
STATMUXED

MUX 2 (Digital 3 & 4) QAM64
ITV1: Video 4.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
CBR

Channel 4: Video 15 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
CBR

More 4: (Will be half of above Channel 4 figure)
CBR (Or stat with Channel 4)

ITV2: Video 10.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
CBR

ITV News: Video 3.10 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
CBR

Price Drop TV :

Teletext: 720kbs
CBR

MUX A (SDN) QAM64
five: Video 6.00 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps
STATMUXED

QVC: Video 3.40 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps
STATMUXED

ITV News: Video 3.10 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps
STATMUXED

Ch 15
EMPTY

TV Travel Shop: Video 2.00 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps STATMUXED

NTL (Text): 720kbs
CBR

MUX B (BBC) QAM16
BBC FOUR / Cbeebies : Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps STATMUXED
703 (Parliament, BBCi News): Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 128 Kbps STATMUXED

701: Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps
STATMUXED
702: Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps
STATMUXED

1xtra BBC: 160 Kbps
CBR

BBC R5 Live: 96 Kbps
CBR
BBC Asian Net: 128 Kbps
CBR
BBC 7: 160 Kbps
CBR
BBC 6 Music: 160 Kbps
CBR
BBC 5L SportsX: 96 Kbps
CBR 800kbs

MUX C (CC) QAM16
Sky News: Video 6.00 Mbps, 192 Kbps.
STATMUXED
Sky Spts News: Video 6.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
STATMUXED

Sky Travel: Video 6.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
STATMUXED

UKHistory: Video 6.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
STATMUXED

MUX D (CC) QAM16
The Hits: Video 6.00Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
STATMUXED
TMF: Video 6.00Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
STATMUXED
FTN / UKBrightIdeas: Video 6.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
STATMUXED
Daytime (Disney) Video 6.00Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps STATMUXED
Smash Hits: 128 Kbps
CBR
oneword: 64 Kbps
CBR
Kiss!: 128 Kbps
CBR
Kerrang! 128 Kbps
CBR
jazz fm: 128 Kbps
CBR
BBC World Sv: 64 Kbps
CBR 640kbs

These are from the Pontypool relay (Wenvoe network)

Info from technical info window on a nebula card.

Hope this helps!

I know this list is incorrect as it's a bit out of date, and in some cases
has been updated and in others not..... can anyone with a bit of
expertease
add to and correct it?

MUX 1 (BBC) QAM16

BBC1: Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps
BBC2: Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps
BBC3/CBBC: Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps
BBC News 24: Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
BBCi (text): unable to find bitrate
BBC Radio Wales: 128 Kbps
BBC Radio Cymru: 128 Kbps

MUX 2 (Digital 3 & 4) QAM64
ITV1: Video 4.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
Channel 4: Video 15.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
More 4: -- what's this?!
ITV2: Video 10.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
ITV News: Video 10.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
Price Drop TV : 10.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
Teletext: 720kbs -- can't verify this, info not available on nebula
FourText: unknown bitrate

MUX A (SDN) QAM64
five: Video Variable, 2~8 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps
QVC: -- we don't get this, S4C and S4C~2 instead; below
S4C: Video variable, can go as low as 1.8 Mbps, seems to settle at max 6
Mbps, audio 192 Kbps
S4C~2: not transmitting at time of test
ITV News: nolonger on this mux
Ch 15 - EMPTY, 64Kbps audio, 0 Mbps video
TV Travel Shop: Video variable max 6.00 Mbps, seen as low as 2, Audio 256
Kbps
NTL (Text): nolonger transmitting
bid-up.tv: Video variable, max 6 Mbps, down to about 2 Mbps, Audio 256
Kbps
BBC Radio 1: 192 Kbps
BBC Radio 2: 192 Kbps
BBC Radio 3: 192 Kbps
BBC Radio 4: 192 Kbps
heat: 128 Kbps
MOJO: 128 Kbps

MUX B (BBC) QAM16
BBC FOUR / CBeebies : Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps
Parliament/ 703 BBCi News Multiscreen: Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 128 Kbps
701: Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
702 / Community (iirc): Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps

1xtra BBC: 160 Kbps
BBC R5 Live: 96 Kbps
BBC Asian Net: 128 Kbps -- can't confirm, didn't seem to be transmitting
BBC 7: 160 Kbps
BBC 6 Music: 160 Kbps
BBC 5L SportsX: 96 Kbps

MUX C (CC) QAM16
Sky News: Video 6.00 Mbps, 192 Kbps.
Sky Spts News: Video 6.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
Sky Travel: Video 6.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
UKHistory: Video 6.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps

MUX D (CC) QAM16
The Hits: Video 6.00Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
TMF: Video 6.00Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
FTN / UKBrightIdeas: Video 6.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
Daytime (Disney): -- where is this?? not here! Unless you mean Ch 22, in
which case 6.00 Mbps, 192 Kbps
Smash Hits: 128 Kbps + something for the text
oneword: 64 Kbps
Kiss!: 128 Kbps
Kerrang! 128 Kbps
jazz fm: 128 Kbps
BBC World Sv: 64 Kbps
F2P Games (text): unable to establish bitrate
The Hits Radio: 128 Kbps + some text
Magic: 128 Kbps
Q: 128 Kbps
4TVinteractive (text): unable to establish bitrate
These are from the Pontypool relay (Wenvoe network)

Info from technical info window on a nebula card.

Hope this helps!

I know this list is incorrect as it's a bit out of date, and in some cases
has been updated and in others not..... can anyone with a bit of
expertease
add to and correct it?

MUX 1 (BBC) QAM16

BBC1: Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps
BBC2: Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps
BBC3/CBBC: Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps
BBC News 24: Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
BBCi (text): unable to find bitrate
BBC Radio Wales: 128 Kbps
BBC Radio Cymru: 128 Kbps

MUX 2 (Digital 3 & 4) QAM64
ITV1: Video 4.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
Channel 4: Video 15.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
More 4: -- what's this?!
ITV2: Video 10.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
ITV News: Video 10.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
Price Drop TV : 10.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
Teletext: 720kbs -- can't verify this, info not available on nebula
FourText: unknown bitrate

MUX A (SDN) QAM64
five: Video Variable, 2~8 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps
QVC: -- we don't get this, S4C and S4C~2 instead; below
S4C: Video variable, can go as low as 1.8 Mbps, seems to settle at max 6
Mbps, audio 192 Kbps
S4C~2: not transmitting at time of test
ITV News: nolonger on this mux
Ch 15 - EMPTY, 64Kbps audio, 0 Mbps video
TV Travel Shop: Video variable max 6.00 Mbps, seen as low as 2, Audio 256
Kbps
NTL (Text): nolonger transmitting
bid-up.tv: Video variable, max 6 Mbps, down to about 2 Mbps, Audio 256
Kbps
BBC Radio 1: 192 Kbps
BBC Radio 2: 192 Kbps
BBC Radio 3: 192 Kbps
BBC Radio 4: 192 Kbps
heat: 128 Kbps
MOJO: 128 Kbps

MUX B (BBC) QAM16
BBC FOUR / CBeebies : Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps
Parliament/ 703 BBCi News Multiscreen: Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 128 Kbps
701: Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
702 / Community (iirc): Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps

1xtra BBC: 160 Kbps
BBC R5 Live: 96 Kbps
BBC Asian Net: 128 Kbps -- can't confirm, didn't seem to be transmitting
BBC 7: 160 Kbps
BBC 6 Music: 160 Kbps
BBC 5L SportsX: 96 Kbps

MUX C (CC) QAM16
Sky News: Video 6.00 Mbps, 192 Kbps.
Sky Spts News: Video 6.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
Sky Travel: Video 6.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
UKHistory: Video 6.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps

MUX D (CC) QAM16
The Hits: Video 6.00Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
TMF: Video 6.00Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
FTN / UKBrightIdeas: Video 6.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
Daytime (Disney): -- where is this?? not here! Unless you mean Ch 22, in
which case 6.00 Mbps, 192 Kbps
Smash Hits: 128 Kbps + something for the text
oneword: 64 Kbps
Kiss!: 128 Kbps
Kerrang! 128 Kbps
jazz fm: 128 Kbps
BBC World Sv: 64 Kbps
F2P Games (text): unable to establish bitrate
The Hits Radio: 128 Kbps + some text
Magic: 128 Kbps
Q: 128 Kbps
4TVinteractive (text): unable to establish bitrate

Peter G Sheppard wrote:
These are from the Pontypool relay (Wenvoe network)

BBC1: Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps
BBC2: Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps
BBC3/CBBC: Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps
BBC News 24: Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
BBCi (text): unable to find bitrate
BBC Radio Wales: 128 Kbps
BBC Radio Cymru: 128 Kbps

That can't be correct. The total payload of a 16QAM mux is 18Mb/s,
that lot adds up to over 34Mb/s

MUX 2 (Digital 3 & 4) QAM64
ITV1: Video 4.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
Channel 4: Video 15.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
More 4: -- what's this?!
ITV2: Video 10.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
ITV News: Video 10.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
Price Drop TV : 10.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
Teletext: 720kbs -- can't verify this, info not available on nebula
FourText: unknown bitrate

Nonsense also. At 64QAM the payload is 24Mb/s, there's 50 there !

I don't think your card is measuring things correctly, I suspect the video rates may
absolute peak values set by the encoder for stat muxing, certainly not typical,
and nowhere near what the normal rates are. The audio data is correct though, but that
can't be varied dynamically.

Mark Carver wrote:
Peter G Sheppard wrote:
These are from the Pontypool relay (Wenvoe network)

BBC1: Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps
BBC2: Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps
BBC3/CBBC: Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 256 Kbps
BBC News 24: Video 8.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
BBCi (text): unable to find bitrate
BBC Radio Wales: 128 Kbps
BBC Radio Cymru: 128 Kbps

That can't be correct. The total payload of a 16QAM mux is 18Mb/s,
that lot adds up to over 34Mb/s

MUX 2 (Digital 3 & 4) QAM64
ITV1: Video 4.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
Channel 4: Video 15.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
More 4: -- what's this?!
ITV2: Video 10.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
ITV News: Video 10.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
Price Drop TV : 10.00 Mbps, Audio 192 Kbps
Teletext: 720kbs -- can't verify this, info not available on nebula
FourText: unknown bitrate

Nonsense also. At 64QAM the payload is 24Mb/s, there's 50 there !

I don't think your card is measuring things correctly, I suspect the
video rates may absolute peak values set by the encoder for stat
muxing, certainly not typical,
and nowhere near what the normal rates are. The audio data is correct
though, but that can't be varied dynamically.

Yeah, I briefly owned a Nebula DigiTV card and I noticed that the bit rates
displayed by it were ********. The best way to see what bit rates are used
on DTT is to record a few hours and then divide the number of bits by the
number of seconds. Even then it might not be that representative because
they might have had an action film on or something.

--
Steve - http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/ - Digital Radio News & Info

DAB sounds worse than Freeview, digital satellite, cable, broadband
internet and FM

Mark Carver wrote:

Nonsense also. At 64QAM the payload is 24Mb/s, there's 50 there !

I don't think your card is measuring things correctly, I suspect the video rates may
absolute peak values set by the encoder for stat muxing, certainly not typical,
and nowhere near what the normal rates are. The audio data is correct though, but that
can't be varied dynamically.

These must be values transmitted as fields witin the SI data, the BBC's
figures, whilst extreme, look like the extreme upper limit for
statmuxing and can not possibly have been reached by bit-rate
measurement. The 4.35Mb/s given for BBC-1 in the original post
strikes me as appearing correct given that, in England, BBC-1 is not
statmuxed with other services. Intersting though the Welsh measurments
would appear to indicate that BBC-1W as part of a statmuxed group.
ISTR that S4C~ and S4C~2 are statmuxed into 6Mb/s (which would include
audio) before being sent to Crawley Count for combination and up-linkng
to the sat that distributes to the mux-A trnsport stream to the txs.

ITV having an upper limit of 4Mb/s stikes true though, 10Mb/s is just a
porky though!

Rgds/Ted

Mark Carver wrote:

Nonsense also. At 64QAM the payload is 24Mb/s, there's 50 there !
I don't think your card is measuring things correctly, I suspect the video
rates may absolute peak values set by the encoder for stat muxing, certainly
not typical, and nowhere near what the normal rates are. The audio data is
correct though, can't be varied dynamically.

These must be values transmitted as fields witin the SI data, the
BBC's figures, whilst extreme, look like the extreme upper limit for
statmuxing and can not possibly have been reached by bit-rate
measurement. The 4.35Mb/s given for BBC-1 in the original post
strikes me as appearing correct given that, in England, BBC-1 is not
statmuxed with other services. Intersting though the Welsh
measurments would appear to indicate that BBC-1W as part of a
statmuxed group. ISTR that S4C~ and S4C~2 are statmuxed into 6Mb/s
(which would include audio) before being sent to Crawley Count for
combination and up-linkng to the sat that distributes to the mux-A
trnsport stream to the txs.

ITV having an upper limit of 4Mb/s stikes true though, 10Mb/s is just
a porky though!

Rgds/Ted