FYI: Cable companies will expire your Six Feet Under recordings after 2-4 weeks (US)
 

http://logofreetv.org/redirect.asp?i=4440

Time-Warner is arm-twisting cable companies into agreeing to a scheme to
automagically erase your saved episodes of Six Feet Under from your
cable-company-provided PVR after a month or so. This is the danger of
sucking up to the studios in the first place...



Just watching the horizon but this is a troubling precedent.

http://logofreetv.org/






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NO LOGO wrote:
Just watching the horizon but this is a troubling precedent.

Not really. UK law is clear about what our rights are for time-shifted
recordings.

Dave
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Not really. UK law is clear about what our rights are for time-shifted
recordings.

Dave


That's alright then. ;-)

Clear unlike the law on pen-knives, fox hunting, interactive banners
(such as on FIVE at present), proportional chastisement, killing burglar
****s, euphanasia, postal voting....




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David Marshall wrote:

Not really. UK law is clear about what our rights are for time-shifted
recordings.

As with all such things UK law will reflect precisely what Brussels
wants it to reflect. This sort of issue (and the curvature of bananas)
is governed totally by the EU.

Anyone interested in the future of home recording in the UK should
watch Brussels, from whence all the orders come.

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In article ,
Jomtien wrote:
As with all such things UK law will reflect precisely what Brussels
wants it to reflect. This sort of issue (and the curvature of bananas)
is governed totally by the EU.

*SIGH* I would suggest you actually read the legislation. (And find out the
truth about the "banana" story while you're at it)

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"Mike Henry" wrote in message
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It is a common misconception, but there is in fact no time limit on how
long you make keep recordings you make for timeshifting.
Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988
Section 70, "Recording for purposes of time-shifting."
http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1988...n_4.htm#mdiv70

Well I don't see how that clears things up. It seems to totally YOUR
interpretation that their is no time limit.
That section makes no mention of any time limits.
It does say however, "for the purpose of enabling it to be viewed or
listened to at a more convenient time "
The key being "at a more convenient time".
Which could equally be interpreted by layers as meaning "you cannot archive
it forever, as that isnt just shifting it to a more convenient time", and
equally they could interpret it as meaning "and you cannot watch it ad
infinitum, but just the once, at the more convenient time - i.e. you can
time shift it, not archived it"

I think it would be very easy for Sky's lawyers to argue they are within
their rights to prevent archiving and multiple viewing, as opposed to
convenient time shifting, if they so wished.

And don't expect any government to want to upset Sky by arguing against
it.....

Loz

In uk.media.tv.misc on Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Mike Henry wrote :

Well I don't see how that clears things up. It seems to totally YOUR
interpretation that their is no time limit.

Eh? There is no time limit for timeshifting, as I quoted. It's not my
interpretation, it's quite clear because a time limit is not specified
in the Act!

During the draft stages of the Act, there were discussions about putting
in a time limit (30 days or so). These were dropped

If even brain-dead EU bureaucrats recognise the impossibility of
enforcing such a limit, then it really *must* be obvious!

, but because of
those discussions people still wrongly think to this day that there is a
time limit. That was why I posted with the link.

The only reason that such laws are even suggested is so copyright
holders can tackle large-scale pirates.

Which could equally be interpreted by layers as meaning "you cannot archive
it forever, as that isnt just shifting it to a more convenient time", and

Quite right. You are not supposed to keep the recording after you have
watched it. If you do, it stops being timeshifting and starts being a
copy which you have made for yourself, which is a breach of copyright.

So they'd have to arrest 90% of the population... :)
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In uk.media.tv.misc on Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Jomtien wrote :

Anyone interested in the future of home recording in the UK should
watch Brussels, from whence all the orders come.

All laws on home-recording are pretty irrelevant anyway, since they are
unenforceable. Even Macrovision is easy to defeat if you are so
inclined.
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David Marshall wrote:

As with all such things UK law will reflect precisely what Brussels
wants it to reflect. This sort of issue (and the curvature of bananas)
is governed totally by the EU.

*SIGH* I would suggest you actually read the legislation.

Can you read future legislation? I can't. My point is that no matter
what UK (or French, or Dutch, or German) law says today, tomorrow it
will say what Brussels wants it to say. Which is why anyone interested
in this or any such subject should watch the EU, not London.


(And find out the
truth about the "banana" story while you're at it)

Caribbean. Africa. Been there. Done that. It's a boring tale of French
protectionism that means that EU residents have expensive nasty
bananas whilst non-EU countries have cheap nice ones. Rather like most
other things we eat. The French (via the EU) add about 20% to the cost
of most edible things you buy in a shop. One more reason to dislike
them I suppose.

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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:56:17 +0000, Mike Henry
wrote:

Quite right. You are not supposed to keep the recording after you have
watched it. If you do, it stops being timeshifting and starts being a
copy which you have made for yourself, which is a breach of copyright.

Doesn't it then become subject to the 'Fair Use' provisions of copyright law?

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