not got a plasma yet ;o)
 

glad I waited

More news has reached us about Sky's proposed launch of high definition
programming in 2006 - and what we're hearing will send shockwaves throughout
the AV industry.

Some of the information BSkyB revealed during a recent presentation to the
Digital Interoperability Forum in Brussels seems pretty positive. For
instance, BSkyB apparently announced that its service and HDTV decoder box
will support BOTH 720p/50Hz AND 1080i/25Hz high definition formats, rather
than just going with 720p as was previously anticipated. The choice of which
HD format will be used for which HD programme is apparently going to be left
to the platform's individual broadcasters.

However, it was when discussing how the HD signal would be delivered from
the Sky decoder box to a projector/plasma TV/LCD TV that the bombshell
emerged, as Sky stated that the vast majority of HDTV programming will only
be viewable if carried via HDMI or DVI connections that support the HDCP
digital rights protection system. In other words, if your projector or flat
panel screen only has component video inputs or an HDMI/DVI jack NOT
compatible with the HDCP system, it will not show the majority of Sky's HD
services.

Sky has long been troubled by how to stop people copying its broadcasts
illegally, so perhaps we shouldn't be too surprised that it's jumping at the
chance to use HDCP. But the ramifications of the decision are huge for us
punters, as countless flat panel TVs and projectors that don't have the
necessary digital connectivity are already proudly installed in people's
homes, presenting the buyers with the nightmare scenario of having to
upgrade by 2006 a screen they thought would last them for many, many years.

There are also many screens/projectors in shops right now that don't have
the necessary connectivity, so if you're thinking of buying one for
Christmas - or whenever! - all we can do is stress in the strongest terms
that you try and choose one with an HDCP-compliant HDMI or DVI jack.

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi-...ws.php?id=7231

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"Sima" @.simawashere wrote in message
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There are also many screens/projectors in shops right now that don't have
the necessary connectivity, so if you're thinking of buying one for
Christmas - or whenever! - all we can do is stress in the strongest terms
that you try and choose one with an HDCP-compliant HDMI or DVI jack.

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi-...ws.php?id=7231



something that winds me up is the shops selling plasmas and mainly lcds with
'hi def ready' stickers on them - to me ready means plug your hd box into it
and away you go.
therefore i think there may be some people getting done by trading standards
if a consumer finds in 2 years that their screen is nothing of the sort.


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Gareth.
my Dad took me out for the evening and some girl was being a right
embarrassment
trying to get off with him, i had to pretend that i was his girlfreind
so that the stupid bitch would leave him alone, and we had a right
good laugh ahout it too.
'varizo' 26th Nov 04
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On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:15:47 -0000, "the dog from that film you saw"
wrote:

something that winds me up is the shops selling plasmas and mainly lcds with
'hi def ready' stickers on them - to me ready means plug your hd box into it
and away you go.
therefore i think there may be some people getting done by trading standards
if a consumer finds in 2 years that their screen is nothing of the sort.

There already is HDTV available from satellite broadcaster Euro1080.

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Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 13:43:06 GMT, "Sima" @.simawashere wrote:

Sky has long been troubled by how to stop people copying its broadcasts
illegally, so perhaps we shouldn't be too surprised that it's jumping at the
chance to use HDCP.

I thought that Sky are bothered about people viewing programmes without paying a
subscription. They can't be much bothered about copying of programmes as their
Sky+ PVR even provides for such a facility.

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Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

"Nigel Barker" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:15:47 -0000, "the dog from that film you saw"
wrote:

something that winds me up is the shops selling plasmas and mainly lcds
with
'hi def ready' stickers on them - to me ready means plug your hd box into
it
and away you go.
therefore i think there may be some people getting done by trading
standards
if a consumer finds in 2 years that their screen is nothing of the sort.

There already is HDTV available from satellite broadcaster Euro1080.



indeed - but from a UK point of view, if a shop is claiming it's ready for
HD, you are going to assume they mean 'for when it starts broadcasting in
this country via the regular broadcasters'

--
Gareth.
my Dad took me out for the evening and some girl was being a right
embarrassment
trying to get off with him, i had to pretend that i was his girlfreind
so that the stupid bitch would leave him alone, and we had a right
good laugh ahout it too.
'varizo' 26th Nov 04
http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/dsbmusic/

In article ,
Nigel Barker wrote:
I thought that Sky are bothered about people viewing programmes without paying a
subscription. They can't be much bothered about copying of programmes as their
Sky+ PVR even provides for such a facility.

The concern is not that people will make copies for later viewing (you have
a legal right to do that) but that people will produce exceptionally high
quality copies that can be burnt to DVD and sold.

And even then Sky don't care what happens to the copies - but they know that
without HDCP many studios would be unwilling to sell them content in HD
format.

The question then comes as to how Sky will allow us to make recordings for
later-viewing.

Dave
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"David Marshall" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Nigel Barker wrote:
I thought that Sky are bothered about people viewing programmes without
paying a
subscription. They can't be much bothered about copying of programmes as
their
Sky+ PVR even provides for such a facility.

The concern is not that people will make copies for later viewing (you
have
a legal right to do that) but that people will produce exceptionally high
quality copies that can be burnt to DVD and sold.

And even then Sky don't care what happens to the copies - but they know
that
without HDCP many studios would be unwilling to sell them content in HD
format.

The question then comes as to how Sky will allow us to make recordings for
later-viewing.



with their all new hi def sky+ box presumably.
if encryption is what it takes to get a way of connecting your equipment
together via digital means then it's worth paying in my opinion.



--
Gareth.
my Dad took me out for the evening and some girl was being a right
embarrassment
trying to get off with him, i had to pretend that i was his girlfreind
so that the stupid bitch would leave him alone, and we had a right
good laugh ahout it too.
'varizo' 26th Nov 04
http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/dsbmusic/

Haven't we been here before? DAT's SCMS (IIRC) promised to stop you making
digital copies of [copies of] DATs, but within a year there were black boxes
freely available that stripped the data and let you copy freely.

Can't see it taking long for some of our friends from the east to start
knocking out HDCP - component (or better) converters - there'll certainly
be a market for it :)

h

"h" wrote in message
. uk...
Haven't we been here before? DAT's SCMS (IIRC) promised to stop you making
digital copies of [copies of] DATs, but within a year there were black
boxes
freely available that stripped the data and let you copy freely.

Can't see it taking long for some of our friends from the east to start
knocking out HDCP - component (or better) converters - there'll certainly
be a market for it :)

h




Or could/would sky produce insist on a box with a converter built in.

David Marshall wrote:

And even then Sky don't care what happens to the copies - but they know that
without HDCP many studios would be unwilling to sell them content in HD
format.

This is the crux of it. No-one cares much about current DVD quality
recordings anymore as anyone with a PC and some free ripping software
can make a perfect DVD backup in an hour.


The question then comes as to how Sky will allow us to make recordings for
later-viewing.

On an HD Sky+, surely. That or a DVD recorder that has in-built DRM
and an HDMI input.

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