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In an article on Guardian
http://media.guardian.co.uk/bbc/stor...332126,00.html

The move comes after the apparent breakdown of talks between BSkyB and the
BBC about collaborating on a Freesat service. The BBC owns the Freesat
trademark.

BBC director-general Mark Thompson said yesterday that collaboration was
still under discussion but gave his strongest hint yet the BBC may go it
alone with its own system.

Means that BBC will be able to be seen in Europe for the Ex pat? without a
4mt dish?

Thanks

Giulio wrote:

In an article on Guardian
http://media.guardian.co.uk/bbc/stor...332126,00.html

A subscription page, it seems. :-(

Would you care to copy the content?


Means that BBC will be able to be seen in Europe for the Ex pat? without a
4mt dish?

Much of Europe can already see the BBC with a sub-1m dish and any FTA
digibox.

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The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/yvnsy
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
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Giulio wrote:

In an article on Guardian
http://media.guardian.co.uk/bbc/stor...332126,00.html

A subscription page, it seems. :-(

Would you care to copy the content?


Free registration:
Low-key launch for BSkyB's Freeview rival

Dominic Timms
Thursday October 21, 2004
The Guardian

BSkyB will launch its long mooted free digital satellite television service
today in an attempt to head off a challenge from Britain's fastest growing
TV platform, Freeview.

BSkyB will start selling the product - which will deliver around 200 TV and
radio channels for a one-off payment of £150 - in time for the Christmas
market in an attempt to make an inroad into the sale of 200,000 boxes
Freeview is achieving each month.

According to trade sources, the new system will be launched using
refurbished Sky Digital boxes and modified smart cards that will give
viewers access to encrypted channels for up to two years. BSkyB is hoping to
subsequently convert as many viewers as possible to pay-TV.

Several dealers said a lack of information from BSkyB suggested the free
satellite system would initially be available only directly from the company
itself.

"We are hearing November but we don't know the ins and outs because we may
not be carrying it," said one retailer.

A member of staff at a BSkyB call centre last night confirmed that the
launch was planned for today.

The move comes after the apparent breakdown of talks between BSkyB and the
BBC about collaborating on a Freesat service. The BBC owns the Freesat
trademark.

BBC director-general Mark Thompson said yesterday that collaboration was
still under discussion but gave his strongest hint yet the BBC may go it
alone with its own system.

"One of the reasons why Freeview works so well is because there are a lot of
companies offering boxes, and that's helped drive prices down to £25.


"We'd like to see that sort of market where consumers have real choice
opening up in free satellite," he told the parliamentary media select commit
tee. BSkyB has made it clear the launch will be a low-key affair. This month
it embarked on its biggest advertising push for six years in an attempt to
persuade more viewers to sign up to pay-TV. It confirmed that any
advertising for the service will come out of a separate budget.

Commentators said any push for free satellite TV would have to be highly
targeted in order to avoid cannibalising BSkyB's core pay-TV market.

"Once you start marketing free satellite there's a danger of confusing the
pay-TV market unless that promotion is very carefully structured," said
consultant Dermot Nolan.

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Means that BBC will be able to be seen in Europe for the Ex pat? without
a
4mt dish?

Much of Europe can already see the BBC with a sub-1m dish and any FTA
digibox.

Dear Jomtien
I live In Rome and I have 1.20 Dish but I can't see none of the BBC
channels, what meke me upset is that
BBC said they move to Astra2 that cover only UK, but in France is visible
with a 60cm dish.
BBC din't give a good service to all expat :-(
g
--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/yvnsy
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
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simtan wrote:

Dominic Timms
Thursday October 21, 2004
The Guardian

BBC director-general Mark Thompson said yesterday that collaboration was
still under discussion but gave his strongest hint yet the BBC may go it
alone with its own system.

Ah. I read this elsewhere the other day (without having to subscribe
:-) ).

I don't know what this means really. Anyone can buy any sort of FTA
box and dish, hook it up and receive 200+ BBC and other channels. Is
that a "system"? Are the BBC thinking of teaming up with FTA box
makers? They don't usually get involved in that sort of thing.

Perhaps this just refers to a possibility of simultaneously
broadcasting EPG data that is compatible with non-Sky boxes? This is
the main stumbling block for non-Sky boxes, after the dedicated
decryption module that isn't available as a CAM. The BBC would
probably also want to broadcast interactive content that is to an open
standard.

If the BBC broadcast non-Sky EPG data and if the three FTV channels
could be tempted into going FTA then we would probably see a big
increase of non-Sky receivers and Sky+ type PVRs etc. etc., all
without any sort of sub for use and probably with many desirable
features that the Sky equipment still doesn't have (channel numbering,
front panel display, "back" button etc. etc.). These receivers already
exist and aren't expensive but they don't get sold much in the UK
because of the encryption issue.

It galls me to think that the country with the biggest proportion of
DSAT viewers is also the one with the least number of different
digibox types in common use.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/6u4p9
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Giulio wrote:

Much of Europe can already see the BBC with a sub-1m dish and any FTA
digibox.

I live In Rome and I have 1.20 Dish but I can't see none of the BBC
channels, what meke me upset is that
BBC said they move to Astra2 that cover only UK, but in France is visible
with a 60cm dish.
BBC din't give a good service to all expat :-(

I didn't say "all" of Europe, I said '"much" of Europe.

My personal opinion of the FTA/FTV issue is that those channels that
have a problem with rights etc. should dual-encrypt using both
VideoGuard (for Sky digibox compatibility) and another system like
Viaccess or Seca. Cards could be sold at cost to UK addresses and
everyone would be happy. Except perhaps Sky.

An extension of this would be for the EU to decide that there should
be a single programming rights market across the entire EU area. Cards
lend themselves to allowing broadcasters to pay only in proportion to
the number of real or potential viewers, regardless of where they are.
This would allow anyone to buy a suitable UK card for use elsewhere,
to the satisfaction of all.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/6u4p9
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Thanks Jomtien
You are still the only one who gives exact reply
Ciao
Giulio
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On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 06:24:20 GMT, "Giulio" wrote:

I live In Rome and I have 1.20 Dish but I can't see none of the BBC
channels, what meke me upset is that
BBC said they move to Astra2 that cover only UK, but in France is visible
with a 60cm dish.
BBC din't give a good service to all expat :-(

The BBC services on Astra 2 are not for expats - they are domestic
channels intended only for the UK. Viewers in Europe are expected to
subscribe to BBC Prime.

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On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 06:24:20 GMT, "Giulio" wrote:

I live In Rome and I have 1.20 Dish but I can't see none of the BBC
channels, what meke me upset is that
BBC said they move to Astra2 that cover only UK, but in France is visible
with a 60cm dish.
BBC din't give a good service to all expat :-(

The BBC services on Astra 2 are not for expats - they are domestic
channels intended only for the UK. Viewers in Europe are expected to
subscribe to BBC Prime.

Expat used to watch BBC with the SKY subscrition although they took the
card abroad, officialy not permited, BBC decided to move to Astra2d just
because din't want to pay if I remeber 70mil to Sky
and remain on Astra 2A/B.
I know is due to the programme right, as far as I concern was silly thing to
do by BBC