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Gareth August 9th 04 10:23 PM

Getting rid of the red dot?
 
A friend of mine has a programmable remote control unit which somehow, he
can't remember how, is programmed to send erase the on screen red dot (I
assume through some sort of regular key press).

I can't find anything like the remote unit he has for sale in high street
shops - does anyone know of a unit that performs the anti red dot function?

Gareth.



Dan Abrey August 9th 04 11:16 PM


"Gareth" wrote in message
...
A friend of mine has a programmable remote control unit which somehow, he
can't remember how, is programmed to send erase the on screen red dot (I
assume through some sort of regular key press).

I can't find anything like the remote unit he has for sale in high street
shops - does anyone know of a unit that performs the anti red dot

function?

Gareth.



I don't really understand what you mean, but surely if you mean the small
'interactive' red blippy thing, you can just press Backup?

I might have missed the point.



Dom Robinson August 14th 04 12:45 AM

In article , says...

"Gareth" wrote in message
...
A friend of mine has a programmable remote control unit which somehow, he
can't remember how, is programmed to send erase the on screen red dot (I
assume through some sort of regular key press).

I can't find anything like the remote unit he has for sale in high street
shops - does anyone know of a unit that performs the anti red dot

function?

Gareth.

I don't really understand what you mean, but surely if you mean the small
'interactive' red blippy thing, you can just press Backup?

I might have missed the point.


Because the ******* things come back after EVERY ad break.

And the software was changed so you can only do red-then-backup if you're
watching a channel when either (a) there's a programme onscreen and not an
advert, and (b) the red dot isn't onscreen.

An example would be when Will & Grace was on inbetween Big Brother, so doing
red-then-backup would not make the dot appear during BB.
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Mike Ball August 19th 04 11:15 PM

"Dom Robinson" wrote in message
...
In article ,

says...

"Gareth" wrote in message
...
A friend of mine has a programmable remote control unit which somehow,

he
can't remember how, is programmed to send erase the on screen red dot

(I
assume through some sort of regular key press).

I can't find anything like the remote unit he has for sale in high

street
shops - does anyone know of a unit that performs the anti red dot

function?

Gareth.

I don't really understand what you mean, but surely if you mean the

small
'interactive' red blippy thing, you can just press Backup?

I might have missed the point.


Because the ******* things come back after EVERY ad break.

And the software was changed so you can only do red-then-backup if you're
watching a channel when either (a) there's a programme onscreen and not an
advert, and (b) the red dot isn't onscreen.

An example would be when Will & Grace was on inbetween Big Brother, so

doing
red-then-backup would not make the dot appear during BB.
--

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uk
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Here's what I bought to keep the red dot idiocy at bay:

http://www.skyeye.force9.co.uk/skyeye.htm

I hope the link works, having a few problems with .co.uk DNS resolution on
Pipex this evening...

Mike



Gareth August 19th 04 11:34 PM


"Mike Ball" wrote in message
...

Here's what I bought to keep the red dot idiocy at bay:

http://www.skyeye.force9.co.uk/skyeye.htm

I hope the link works, having a few problems with .co.uk DNS resolution

on
Pipex this evening...


Par for the course from my experience with Pipex ;-(

Thanks for the link - never knew that these devices existed - wonderful
stuff!

Gareth.



Brian August 20th 04 12:33 AM

Gareth wrote:
Thanks for the link - never knew that these devices existed - wonderful
stuff!


Though don't try watching interactive Olympics with one attached :(

Brian

JohnT August 20th 04 01:15 AM

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:33:08 +0100, someone purporting to be Brian
wrote:

Though don't try watching interactive Olympics with one attached :(


The SkyEye can be temporarily disabled, by turning off the Second Outlet
Power Supply. This will allow full access to the EPG, and allow you to play
along with interactive 15-to-1 etc. When you want to re-enable the SkyEye,
simply turn the Second Outlet Power Supply back on again via the digibox
menu. This is controlled from your remote control so there is no need to
leave your seat to do this (provided you are in the same room as the
digibox).

Source: http://www.skyeye.force9.co.uk/eyecfaq.htm

john


Mike Ball August 20th 04 12:37 PM

"JohnT" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:33:08 +0100, someone purporting to be Brian
wrote:

Though don't try watching interactive Olympics with one attached :(


The SkyEye can be temporarily disabled, by turning off the Second Outlet
Power Supply. This will allow full access to the EPG, and allow you to

play
along with interactive 15-to-1 etc. When you want to re-enable the SkyEye,
simply turn the Second Outlet Power Supply back on again via the digibox
menu. This is controlled from your remote control so there is no need to
leave your seat to do this (provided you are in the same room as the
digibox).

Source: http://www.skyeye.force9.co.uk/eyecfaq.htm

john



...and one other thing: These don't work with Sky+, because they knacker any
recording or playback unless you turn the Sky-eye power off as per above.
For this reason, I don't use mine since I upgraded to Sky+ last October.
sigh

However, with Sky+ it's even easier to get around - you just pause for a
couple of seconds and then continue. The red dot doesn't re-appear (at
least for the time being, until they get wise and update the code)....

Mike



Ed August 20th 04 03:57 PM

I find it rather offensive that such a gizmo is necessary. If one were
to purchase a satellite receiver rather than get one from Mr Murdoch
are there any with code that allows the interactive to be switched
off?

Ed
------

Jomtien wrote in message . ..
Jomtien wrote:

Nearly all shops will have some sort of programmable remote of the FTA
type.


Doh! OFA (One For All), not FTA.

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Nigel Barker August 20th 04 05:11 PM

On 20 Aug 2004 06:57:53 -0700, (Ed) wrote:

I find it rather offensive that such a gizmo is necessary. If one were
to purchase a satellite receiver rather than get one from Mr Murdoch
are there any with code that allows the interactive to be switched
off?


The interactive feature simply don't appear on a non-digibox digital satellite
receiver. Which is good news if you don't want a red dot burned onto your plasma
screen but not such good news if you actually want to access interactive
features.

--
Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

News Bunny August 20th 04 06:49 PM


"Nigel Barker" wrote in message
...
On 20 Aug 2004 06:57:53 -0700, (Ed) wrote:

The interactive feature simply don't appear on a non-digibox digital

satellite
receiver. Which is good news if you don't want a red dot burned onto your

plasma
screen but not such good news if you actually want to access interactive
features.

--
Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur


Or watch ITV/C4/C5



Gareth August 20th 04 06:57 PM


"Mike Ball" wrote in message
...

..and one other thing: These don't work with Sky+, because they knacker

any
recording or playback unless you turn the Sky-eye power off as per above.
For this reason, I don't use mine since I upgraded to Sky+ last October.
sigh


I didn't realise this and I am thinking of getting Sky +. This is a real
pain actually - it's obviously by design that Sky offers no way to remove
the red dot but isn't it offensive to have the thing inflicted on you when
you're already paying a lot of money every month?

Gareth.



Mike_C August 20th 04 11:53 PM


"Gareth" wrote in message
...

"Mike Ball" wrote in message
...

..and one other thing: These don't work with Sky+, because they knacker

any
recording or playback unless you turn the Sky-eye power off as per above.
For this reason, I don't use mine since I upgraded to Sky+ last October.
sigh


I didn't realise this and I am thinking of getting Sky +. This is a real
pain actually - it's obviously by design that Sky offers no way to remove
the red dot but isn't it offensive to have the thing inflicted on you when
you're already paying a lot of money every month?

Gareth.




It's probably not as bad as being told what channel you are watching by a big
graphic in a top corner, so convienent to block peoples faces, even the yanks
have the decency to put their DOGs in the bottom corners.
Even worse is the self promotion of future programming plastered on the screen
during the program you actually want to watch, compared to those two the red dot
and variations thereof is quite a minor annoyance:)

With SKY+ and other HD recorders actually watching programming "live"
becomes a thing of the past, there really isn't any need to put up with
ad breaks and being a slave to the TV schedulers.
Once you timeshift everything using SKY+ the red dot isn't an issue since it
isn't recorded by the box due to the interactive features it links to not being
there when you finally come to watch the program.


Mike C




Dom Robinson August 21st 04 01:00 AM

In article ,
says...
It's probably not as bad as being told what channel you are watching by a big
graphic in a top corner, so convienent to block peoples faces, even the yanks
have the decency to put their DOGs in the bottom corners.
Even worse is the self promotion of future programming plastered on the screen
during the program you actually want to watch, compared to those two the red dot
and variations thereof is quite a minor annoyance:)

Fair point. Even if I thought properly about getting a red-dot remover (you
can only now red-then-backup to remove the red dot if doing it, for example,
on a channel that uses it in the background before they have a programme that
does it permanently - eg. during Will & Grace before Big Brother on C4),
nothing in the world would stop a channel like Sky One from scrunching the
screen up and chattering away over the top of a programme's end credits the
split second they begin.

Well, on the plus side at least they didn't dare talk over the end credits
after the time reached 7am during season 3 of '24', given the incredible
ending (which I won't reveal here in case anyone's watching the repeats that
started recently)
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Dom Robinson August 21st 04 01:04 AM

In article , says...
On 20 Aug 2004 06:57:53 -0700,
(Ed) wrote:

I find it rather offensive that such a gizmo is necessary. If one were
to purchase a satellite receiver rather than get one from Mr Murdoch
are there any with code that allows the interactive to be switched
off?


The interactive feature simply don't appear on a non-digibox digital satellite
receiver. Which is good news if you don't want a red dot burned onto your plasma
screen but not such good news if you actually want to access interactive
features.

When the phones were off in Manchester at the end of March due to an
underground fire, courtesy of BT, I read one page of news on BBC1 Ceefax and
looked on BBC1's "BBCi" service to see if there was any more news about it.

There wasn't, but what I did get was the same page of text spread over THREE
BBCi pages, since the rest was full of adverts and menu crap, like when you're
looking at the ITV schedules on Teletext and half the ****ing screen's taken
up with 'home loan' ads. Absolute ********. Oh, and it was ****-slow as well
on a silver Panasonic box.
--

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Jomtien August 21st 04 07:43 AM

Ed wrote:

I find it rather offensive that such a gizmo is necessary. If one were
to purchase a satellite receiver rather than get one from Mr Murdoch
are there any with code that allows the interactive to be switched
off?


All Sky digiboxes inflict the red dot on you when this is broadcast
and the only way to get rid of it is to press back-up (or go into
playback mode on a Sky+) or use a Sky-Eye type device which
effectively just presses back-up for you.

Non-Sky digiboxes never display the red dot but they can't receive
encrypted Sky channels (pay or FTV) either.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/yvnsy
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)


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