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Chris June 9th 04 11:34 AM

Sky to offer "Freeview RIVAL"
 

BBC Radio 6 News 10.30am

"BSKYB to offer a "Free To Air" rival to the Freeview service with 200
Radio and TV channels for a one off £150 pounds"

I suspect someone has got the wrong end of the stick somewhere as I
doubt it will be Free To Air but will require some form of FTV card

I also suspect many of those 200 channels will be Radio and Shopping
channels

Chris

Chris June 9th 04 11:43 AM

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:34:13 +0100, Chris
wrote:


BBC Radio 6 News 10.30am

"BSKYB to offer a "Free To Air" rival to the Freeview service with 200
Radio and TV channels for a one off £150 pounds"

I suspect someone has got the wrong end of the stick somewhere as I
doubt it will be Free To Air but will require some form of FTV card

I also suspect many of those 200 channels will be Radio and Shopping
channels

Chris


someone pointed out this article which is probably the source

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...234697,00.html

Only channel mentioned which isn't already FTA (CNN, BBC, ITV News) or
FTV (ITV1, ch4, five) is ITV2



Chris June 9th 04 12:44 PM

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:43:17 +0100, Chris
wrote:


Only channel mentioned which isn't already FTA (CNN, BBC, ITV News) or
FTV (ITV1, ch4, five) is ITV2


Thinking about this more I suspect this more about being a rival to
"Top Up TV" than Freeview, after all it is in Skys interest to get
more people on Sky Satellite Kit then offer initially attractive
introductory offers to try out Sky 1, Movies, Sport etc and try and
get people hooked



Chris June 9th 04 01:01 PM

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:43:17 +0100, Chris
wrote:


http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...234697,00.html

Only channel mentioned which isn't already FTA (CNN, BBC, ITV News) or
FTV (ITV1, ch4, five) is ITV2


As I expected looking at the original Press Release from Sky below the
Guardian has completely made up the information that ITV2 would be
included as there is no mention of which channels would be included at
all except that a FTV card will be provided for ITV1, Ch4 and five

http://tinyurl.com/2s9v5



Mark Carver June 9th 04 01:01 PM

Chris wrote:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...234697,00.html

Only channel mentioned which isn't already FTA (CNN, BBC, ITV News) or
FTV (ITV1, ch4, five) is ITV2


I can't see ITV-2 mentioned, only ITV-1 (FTV) and ITV News (FTA)




Chris June 9th 04 01:04 PM

On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:01:49 +0100, "Mark Carver"
wrote:

Chris wrote:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...234697,00.html

Only channel mentioned which isn't already FTA (CNN, BBC, ITV News) or
FTV (ITV1, ch4, five) is ITV2


I can't see ITV-2 mentioned, only ITV-1 (FTV) and ITV News (FTA)



I quote :-

"The package will include ITV, BBC1, BBC2, BBC3, BBC4, CBBC, Cbeebies,
News 24, BBC Parliament, Channel 4, Channel Five, ITV2, ITV News, CNN
and scores of other channels, although most of these are of minority
interest such as Extreme Sports."

Although there is nothing in the Sky press release about ITV2 so I
suspect it is a Guardian mistake


mick June 9th 04 01:13 PM



Chris wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:43:17 +0100, Chris
wrote:


http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...234697,00.html

Only channel mentioned which isn't already FTA (CNN, BBC, ITV News) or
FTV (ITV1, ch4, five) is ITV2


As I expected looking at the original Press Release from Sky below the
Guardian has completely made up the information that ITV2 would be
included as there is no mention of which channels would be included at
all except that a FTV card will be provided for ITV1, Ch4 and five


Where abouts does it mention ITV2 will be included?

mick



mick June 9th 04 01:15 PM



Chris wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:01:49 +0100, "Mark Carver"
wrote:

Chris wrote:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...234697,00.html

Only channel mentioned which isn't already FTA (CNN, BBC, ITV News) or
FTV (ITV1, ch4, five) is ITV2


I can't see ITV-2 mentioned, only ITV-1 (FTV) and ITV News (FTA)



I quote :-

"The package will include ITV, BBC1, BBC2, BBC3, BBC4, CBBC, Cbeebies,
News 24, BBC Parliament, Channel 4, Channel Five, ITV2, ITV News, CNN
and scores of other channels, although most of these are of minority
interest such as Extreme Sports."


It actually says -

The package will include ITV, BBC1, BBC2, BBC3, BBC4, CBBC, CBeebies, News
24, BBC Parliament, Channel 4, Channel Five, ITV News, CNN and scores of
other channels, although most of these are of minority interest such as
Extreme Sports

mick



Chris June 9th 04 01:15 PM

On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:13:13 +0100, "mick"
wrote:



Chris wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:43:17 +0100, Chris
wrote:


http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...234697,00.html

Only channel mentioned which isn't already FTA (CNN, BBC, ITV News) or
FTV (ITV1, ch4, five) is ITV2


As I expected looking at the original Press Release from Sky below the
Guardian has completely made up the information that ITV2 would be
included as there is no mention of which channels would be included at
all except that a FTV card will be provided for ITV1, Ch4 and five


Where abouts does it mention ITV2 will be included?


I quote :-

"The package will include ITV, BBC1, BBC2, BBC3, BBC4, CBBC, Cbeebies,
News 24, BBC Parliament, Channel 4, Channel Five, ITV2, ITV News, CNN
and scores of other channels, although most of these are of minority
interest such as Extreme Sports."

Although there is nothing in the Sky press release about ITV2 so I
suspect it is a Guardian mistake


Chris June 9th 04 01:18 PM

On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:15:00 +0100, "mick"
wrote:



Chris wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:01:49 +0100, "Mark Carver"
wrote:

Chris wrote:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...234697,00.html

Only channel mentioned which isn't already FTA (CNN, BBC, ITV News) or
FTV (ITV1, ch4, five) is ITV2

I can't see ITV-2 mentioned, only ITV-1 (FTV) and ITV News (FTA)



I quote :-

"The package will include ITV, BBC1, BBC2, BBC3, BBC4, CBBC, Cbeebies,
News 24, BBC Parliament, Channel 4, Channel Five, ITV2, ITV News, CNN
and scores of other channels, although most of these are of minority
interest such as Extreme Sports."


It actually says -

The package will include ITV, BBC1, BBC2, BBC3, BBC4, CBBC, CBeebies, News
24, BBC Parliament, Channel 4, Channel Five, ITV News, CNN and scores of
other channels, although most of these are of minority interest such as
Extreme Sports

mick


Well they must have updated it after reading my Post then !

I have the page opened on my web browser where it def says

"The package will include ITV, BBC1, BBC2, BBC3, BBC4, CBBC, Cbeebies,
News 24, BBC Parliament, Channel 4, Channel Five, ITV2, ITV News, CNN
and scores of other channels, although most of these are of minority
interest such as Extreme Sports."


Chris June 9th 04 01:23 PM

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 12:15:09 +0100, Chris
wrote:



"The package will include ITV, BBC1, BBC2, BBC3, BBC4, CBBC, Cbeebies,
News 24, BBC Parliament, Channel 4, Channel Five, ITV2, ITV News, CNN
and scores of other channels, although most of these are of minority
interest such as Extreme Sports."


They seem to have fixed their mistake now, must be reading this group!


Chris June 9th 04 01:34 PM

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:34:13 +0100, Chris
wrote:

BBC Now have an article

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3790127.stm

It is amusing that the first thing you see is a picture of an ugly old
dish (not a minidish) stuck up very lazily on the front of a bay
window blocking the window and the caption "You'll need one of these
to pick up Sky's new package"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3790127.stm


Paul Evans June 9th 04 01:40 PM

Chris wrote:
BBC Radio 6 News 10.30am

"BSKYB to offer a "Free To Air" rival to the Freeview service with 200
Radio and TV channels for a one off £150 pounds"

I suspect someone has got the wrong end of the stick somewhere as I
doubt it will be Free To Air but will require some form of FTV card

I also suspect many of those 200 channels will be Radio and Shopping
channels

Chris


I also suspect it will offer exactly the same number of channels available to
FTV viewers at the moment. In other words, cleverly-worded hype.

Paul.



Nicholas F Hodder June 9th 04 02:24 PM

The official press release is he

http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir... em_id=580035

Given that Sky One is funded by advertising, why isn't it included, just
like ITV1 is?



Chris June 9th 04 02:32 PM

On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:24:48 +0100, "Nicholas F Hodder"
wrote:

The official press release is he

http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir... em_id=580035

Given that Sky One is funded by advertising, why isn't it included, just
like ITV1 is?


The Sky Value package wouldn't sell very well if SKY One was FTA/FTV

Also for the same reason E4 is a pay channel, they buy first run
rights of series which are then sold on to Terrestrial channels


Mike Cawood, HND BIT June 9th 04 02:39 PM

"Chris" wrote in message
...

BBC Radio 6 News 10.30am

"BSKYB to offer a "Free To Air" rival to the Freeview service with 200
Radio and TV channels for a one off £150 pounds"

I suspect someone has got the wrong end of the stick somewhere as I
doubt it will be Free To Air but will require some form of FTV card

I also suspect many of those 200 channels will be Radio and Shopping
channels

Chris

It will be Free-to-view with a card supplied.
Regards Mike.



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Philip Green June 9th 04 05:32 PM

The 150 was mentioned as the cost of buying and installing a dish and
tuner.

They've done this in the past, in the good old days of analogue. Loads of
stuff was unencrypted and then they introduced encryption and
subscription.


"Chris" wrote in message
...

BBC Radio 6 News 10.30am

"BSKYB to offer a "Free To Air" rival to the Freeview service with 200
Radio and TV channels for a one off £150 pounds"

I suspect someone has got the wrong end of the stick somewhere as I
doubt it will be Free To Air but will require some form of FTV card

I also suspect many of those 200 channels will be Radio and Shopping
channels

Chris




Clem Dye June 9th 04 06:46 PM

Chris wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:01:49 +0100, "Mark Carver"
wrote:


Chris wrote:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...234697,00.html

Only channel mentioned which isn't already FTA (CNN, BBC, ITV News) or
FTV (ITV1, ch4, five) is ITV2


I can't see ITV-2 mentioned, only ITV-1 (FTV) and ITV News (FTA)




I quote :-

"The package will include ITV, BBC1, BBC2, BBC3, BBC4, CBBC, Cbeebies,
News 24, BBC Parliament, Channel 4, Channel Five, ITV2, ITV News, CNN
and scores of other channels, although most of these are of minority
interest such as Extreme Sports."

Although there is nothing in the Sky press release about ITV2 so I
suspect it is a Guardian mistake


Why do think that it's a Guardian mistake to leave-out ITV2? All that
$ky are offering is what we FTV-type card holders can get now. If they
were going to mirror Freeview, then channels like FTN & UK History
should be up for grabs too, but they aren't, at least according to the
Guardian article. Personally, I'm disappointed. I had hoped that $ky
would offer something more, possibly with some sort of $sky+/freeview
deal at some point to follow. 200 or channels there may be, but once you
subtract the radio channels, the BBC channels, ITV1, C4 & C5 the rest is
pretty much crap.

No thanks $ky. Try a bit harder.


Clem


Clem Dye June 9th 04 06:48 PM

Chris wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:15:00 +0100, "mick"
wrote:



Chris wrote:

On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:01:49 +0100, "Mark Carver"
wrote:


Chris wrote:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...234697,00.html

Only channel mentioned which isn't already FTA (CNN, BBC, ITV News) or
FTV (ITV1, ch4, five) is ITV2

I can't see ITV-2 mentioned, only ITV-1 (FTV) and ITV News (FTA)



I quote :-

"The package will include ITV, BBC1, BBC2, BBC3, BBC4, CBBC, Cbeebies,
News 24, BBC Parliament, Channel 4, Channel Five, ITV2, ITV News, CNN
and scores of other channels, although most of these are of minority
interest such as Extreme Sports."


It actually says -

The package will include ITV, BBC1, BBC2, BBC3, BBC4, CBBC, CBeebies, News
24, BBC Parliament, Channel 4, Channel Five, ITV News, CNN and scores of
other channels, although most of these are of minority interest such as
Extreme Sports

mick



Well they must have updated it after reading my Post then !

I have the page opened on my web browser where it def says

"The package will include ITV, BBC1, BBC2, BBC3, BBC4, CBBC, Cbeebies,
News 24, BBC Parliament, Channel 4, Channel Five, ITV2, ITV News, CNN
and scores of other channels, although most of these are of minority
interest such as Extreme Sports."


Your browser must do some sort of wishful thinking then! I've just
re-checked the URL & ITV2 is conspicuous by its absence ....


Clem


Kurious Oranj June 9th 04 06:58 PM

Chris wrote:

On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:01:49 +0100, "Mark Carver"
wrote:


Chris wrote:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...234697,00.html

Only channel mentioned which isn't already FTA (CNN, BBC, ITV News) or
FTV (ITV1, ch4, five) is ITV2


I can't see ITV-2 mentioned, only ITV-1 (FTV) and ITV News (FTA)




I quote :-

"The package will include ITV, BBC1, BBC2, BBC3, BBC4, CBBC, Cbeebies,
News 24, BBC Parliament, Channel 4, Channel Five, ITV2, ITV News, CNN
and scores of other channels, although most of these are of minority
interest such as Extreme Sports."

Does "minority interest" translate as "cheap **** so we can claim to
have scores of channels"?

Chris June 9th 04 06:59 PM

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:46:49 +0100, Clem Dye wrote:


Why do think that it's a Guardian mistake to leave-out ITV2


The 10am version of the article included ITV2.

I have explained several times that the Media Guardian website updated
their web page after I had copied the info, I still have the 10am
version of the page open in my browser.


Chris June 9th 04 07:06 PM

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:48:39 +0100, Clem Dye wrote:




Your browser must do some sort of wishful thinking then! I've just
re-checked the URL & ITV2 is conspicuous by its absence ....


I have explained several times that the Media Guardian website updated
their web page after I had copied the info out of it, I still have the
10am version of the page open in my browser with the reference to ITV2
still there, I can send a screen grab of the page to anyone who is
that interested !.

I have opened the web page on a different computer and the page no
longer contains the ITV2 reference, but the report is STILL dated
10am.


Dom Robinson June 9th 04 07:39 PM

In article ,
says...
On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:34:13 +0100, Chris
wrote:


BBC Radio 6 News 10.30am

"BSKYB to offer a "Free To Air" rival to the Freeview service with 200
Radio and TV channels for a one off £150 pounds"

I suspect someone has got the wrong end of the stick somewhere as I
doubt it will be Free To Air but will require some form of FTV card

I also suspect many of those 200 channels will be Radio and Shopping
channels

Chris


someone pointed out this article which is probably the source

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...234697,00.html

Can you copy the text? Subscribe, my arse!
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Parish June 9th 04 08:12 PM

Chris wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:34:13 +0100, Chris
wrote:

BBC Now have an article

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3790127.stm

It is amusing that the first thing you see is a picture of an ugly old
dish (not a minidish) stuck up very lazily on the front of a bay
window blocking the window and the caption "You'll need one of these
to pick up Sky's new package"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3790127.stm


Looks like someone at the Beeb read your post as they've changed the
picture now :-)

Parish

JNugent June 9th 04 08:32 PM

Chris wrote:

Chris wrote:


http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcas...234697,00.html
Only channel mentioned which isn't already FTA (CNN, BBC, ITV News)
or FTV (ITV1, ch4, five) is ITV2


As I expected looking at the original Press Release from Sky below the
Guardian has completely made up the information that ITV2 would be
included as there is no mention of which channels would be included at
all except that a FTV card will be provided for ITV1, Ch4 and five
http://tinyurl.com/2s9v5


At present, Sky offer a free dish and box - without a subscription - to
anyone who pays the "standard" installation price (£100, IIRC).

How is this "proposition" any better than that?

PS: Can you not get ITV2 on Sky without a sub?

And does it matter anyway?


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Chris June 9th 04 08:55 PM

On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:32:46 +0100, "JNugent"
wrote:

At present, Sky offer a free dish and box - without a subscription - to
anyone who pays the "standard" installation price (£100, IIRC).


very good point

How is this "proposition" any better than that?


Do they supply a FTV card for itv1, ch4 and five ? If not it stops
you having to be ripped off on ebay getting one

PS: Can you not get ITV2 on Sky without a sub?


nope it is a pay channel in the "Family Package" deal

And does it matter anyway?


IMHO there are occasionally things on I may watch, the odd film etc


Dom Robinson June 9th 04 09:36 PM

In article ,
says...
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:32:46 +0100, "JNugent"
wrote:

At present, Sky offer a free dish and box - without a subscription - to
anyone who pays the "standard" installation price (£100, IIRC).


very good point

Do they still do that? I thought it was stopped a long time ago, and there's a
radio ad at the moment that says it costs over £200 in total (full details are
a little hazy as it always comes on first thing in the morning before I'm
fully conscious)
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novascapes June 9th 04 10:08 PM

I see that the www.skyfreeview.tv web name is already for sale on eBay!

Probably someone with inside knowledge.

Stark choices

"Philip Green" wrote in message
...
The 150 was mentioned as the cost of buying and installing a dish and
tuner.

They've done this in the past, in the good old days of analogue. Loads of
stuff was unencrypted and then they introduced encryption and
subscription.


"Chris" wrote in message
...

BBC Radio 6 News 10.30am

"BSKYB to offer a "Free To Air" rival to the Freeview service with 200
Radio and TV channels for a one off £150 pounds"

I suspect someone has got the wrong end of the stick somewhere as I
doubt it will be Free To Air but will require some form of FTV card

I also suspect many of those 200 channels will be Radio and Shopping
channels

Chris






Nick Cooper June 10th 04 04:02 AM

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 19:12:08 +0100, Parish wrote:

Chris wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:34:13 +0100, Chris
wrote:

BBC Now have an article

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3790127.stm

It is amusing that the first thing you see is a picture of an ugly old
dish (not a minidish) stuck up very lazily on the front of a bay
window blocking the window and the caption "You'll need one of these
to pick up Sky's new package"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3790127.stm


Looks like someone at the Beeb read your post as they've changed the
picture now :-)


Shame about all the prejudiced and misinformed ****e pople are posting
to the BBC site, though....
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Mark Hewitt June 10th 04 11:25 AM


"Nicholas F Hodder" wrote in message
...
The official press release is he


http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir... em_id=580035

Given that Sky One is funded by advertising, why isn't it included, just
like ITV1 is?


Because Sky One isn't entirely funded by advertising?




Daniel Titley June 10th 04 12:17 PM

Chris wrote in message . ..
BBC Radio 6 News 10.30am

"BSKYB to offer a "Free To Air" rival to the Freeview service with 200
Radio and TV channels for a one off £150 pounds"

I suspect someone has got the wrong end of the stick somewhere as I
doubt it will be Free To Air but will require some form of FTV card

I also suspect many of those 200 channels will be Radio and Shopping
channels


Stuff I noticed from the offical Sky press release
(http://tinyurl.com/2s9v5):

1. An entire pragraph on how easy it will be for people to "add a
pay-TV service to their viewing options".
Clearly this is Skys true motivation for doing this, not some rubbish
about supporting the Government's proposed switchover to digital-only
broadcasting.

2. The channel package will include all national and regional variants
of BBC One and BBC Two.
Since there are 4 different versions of BBC Two (England, Wales,
Scotland & Northern Ireland), and about 20 of different versions of
BBC One, that is a big chunk of the 200 channels taken up there.

Benji June 10th 04 04:36 PM

Ummmm Yeah Right another £30 quid for inventing the wheel again ! (old
instillation cost £120 NOW £150) I am sure the whole 81 radio channels will
be included in this package !. I guess at least everyone can watch those
crappy free channels now, well apart from the Horror Channel (of course !
:-) )!.

Talk about collar the market, and remove the competition (freeview service).
There must be a mergers commsion to hand to input their thoughts on this
matter (there usually is-when it suits them anyway !!!!!!!!!). Typical UK
service SCREW the consumer, and line the pockets of the big giants !. No
wonder this country is slowly going down the toilet !, why dont those ****s
in the goverment make up, its not all about switching off analogue.

Ben


"Chris" wrote in message
...

BBC Radio 6 News 10.30am

"BSKYB to offer a "Free To Air" rival to the Freeview service with 200
Radio and TV channels for a one off £150 pounds"

I suspect someone has got the wrong end of the stick somewhere as I
doubt it will be Free To Air but will require some form of FTV card

I also suspect many of those 200 channels will be Radio and Shopping
channels

Chris




Neil Hopkins June 10th 04 07:13 PM

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 02:02:40 GMT,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 19:12:08 +0100, Parish wrote:

Chris wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:34:13 +0100, Chris
wrote:

BBC Now have an article

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3790127.stm

It is amusing that the first thing you see is a picture of an ugly old
dish (not a minidish) stuck up very lazily on the front of a bay
window blocking the window and the caption "You'll need one of these
to pick up Sky's new package"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3790127.stm


Looks like someone at the Beeb read your post as they've changed the
picture now :-)


Shame about all the prejudiced and misinformed ****e pople are posting
to the BBC site, though....


Yep, there are lots of comments about ugly dustbin lids nailed to the
side of houses. Personally, I think a mini dish tucked discreetly
under the eaves of a house is a lot less intrusive than a stonking
great rusty aerial on the chimney.

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Paul June 11th 04 12:09 PM

"Mike Cawood, HND BIT" wrote in message
...
It will be Free-to-view with a card supplied.
Regards Mike.

Yep, no mention of what happens when they change the
current sky cards either. A news item this morning said
cards would be guaranteed for 2 years but no mention
of how much it would cost to get a FTV after that.

I wonder whether the BBC understand anything about
their digital satellite service at all ?
Meanwhile, Andy Duncan, director of marketing,
communications and audiences at the BBC said:
"This is good news for our viewers as it provides
another route to all the BBC's digital services
without subscription".

Doesn't this moron know that you already don't
need a subscription for the BBC digital services ?
Skys new 'offer' doesn't give another route at all
those wanting the BBC services. Infact, at £150,
it's considerably more expensive than buying a
2nd hand receiver and dish.

The best thing the BBC ever did was go FTA.
No more annoying red dot or having to pay
sky £10 for the use of PVR.



IanB June 11th 04 03:00 PM

"Philip Green" wrote...

They've done this in the past, in the good old days of analogue. Loads of
stuff was unencrypted and then they introduced encryption and
subscription.


We have Sky because it was the cheapest way to get decent reception in
our house. If we stopped paying the subscription, would we get
anything at all?

Ib.

Nicholas F Hodder June 11th 04 03:57 PM

"Mark Hewitt" wrote in message
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"Nicholas F Hodder" wrote in message
...
The official press release is he



http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir... em_id=580035

Given that Sky One is funded by advertising, why isn't it included, just
like ITV1 is?


Because Sky One isn't entirely funded by advertising?


Then why does Sky One have more adverts than ITV1 or Channel 4, which are
both funded entirely by advertising?



Chris June 11th 04 04:53 PM

On 11 Jun 2004 06:00:31 -0700, (IanB) wrote:

"Philip Green" wrote...

They've done this in the past, in the good old days of analogue. Loads of
stuff was unencrypted and then they introduced encryption and
subscription.


We have Sky because it was the cheapest way to get decent reception in
our house. If we stopped paying the subscription, would we get
anything at all?


Pull out the card you get all those channels that are left including
BBC, Sky News, Reality, the ex sub card will enable 3 FTV channels
ITV1, ch4 and five NOT ITV2

http://www.vowles-home.demon.co.uk/Sat/SkyFTA.htm


Nigel Barker June 11th 04 08:03 PM

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:57:26 +0100, "Nicholas F Hodder" wrote:

"Mark Hewitt" wrote in message
...

"Nicholas F Hodder" wrote in message
...
The official press release is he



http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir... em_id=580035

Given that Sky One is funded by advertising, why isn't it included, just
like ITV1 is?


Because Sky One isn't entirely funded by advertising?


Then why does Sky One have more adverts than ITV1 or Channel 4, which are
both funded entirely by advertising?


Because they have a much smaller number of viewers for any individual channel so
the amount that they can charge for a 30 second advert is much lower. Even
Channel Five has loads more viewers than Sky One.

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Jomtien June 12th 04 07:12 AM

IanB wrote:

We have Sky because it was the cheapest way to get decent reception in
our house. If we stopped paying the subscription, would we get
anything at all?


This is a FAQ.

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Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
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Marcus Houlden June 12th 04 12:58 PM

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:03:00 GMT, Nigel Barker
wrote the following to uk.media.tv.misc:

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:57:26 +0100, "Nicholas F Hodder" wrote:

"Mark Hewitt" wrote in message
...

"Nicholas F Hodder" wrote in message
...
The official press release is he



http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir... em_id=580035

Given that Sky One is funded by advertising, why isn't it included, just
like ITV1 is?

Because Sky One isn't entirely funded by advertising?


Then why does Sky One have more adverts than ITV1 or Channel 4, which are
both funded entirely by advertising?


Because they have a much smaller number of viewers for any individual channel so
the amount that they can charge for a 30 second advert is much lower. Even
Channel Five has loads more viewers than Sky One.


It would be nice if someone pointed out to UKTV that they could show more
adverts (and get more revenue) if they didn't show quite so many trailers,
break bumpers and other bits of branding. Adverts don't bother me quite as
much as all their marketing stuff; at least I know they help them to pay for
the programmes.

mh.
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