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News Item: BBC Report on Digital Switch Over
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pre...itchover.shtml There is a heck of a lot to discuss in he 1. No mention of LOGOs and RED DOTs. Very very few people seem to have an issue with DOGs, if the BBC is to be believed. So few people, that it did not mention a single sentence in the report or one word of explanation on BBCi. 2. "On this, the Corporation welcomes the opportunity to work with other organisations as quickly as possible to begin to make a non-subscription digital satellite option a reality." So the BBC who instigated the collapse of a multi PSB Free Sat have made a statement of intent to reverse this problem. Good. This means that something major such as ITV, C4, and FIVE going Free To Air will happen, or something major in resetting up SOLUS must happen. May be now Dyke-head is gone, the BBC may even re-encrypt. 3. "Carolyn Fairbairn, Director of Strategy and Distribution, BBC, added: "The BBC has been making a vital contribution to bringing public service broadcasting into the digital age. " Like BBC THREE, Carolyn. ;-) Like CBBC and CBEEBIES that is known to make children fatter and lower their IQs and speech skills. ;-) 4. "Therefore as we move closer towards this common final goal, the BBC will continue to play an important role in partnership with both Government and other organisations to realise a fully digital Britain." A strong BBC, independent of Government, but also in partnership with the Government and other organisations including BSKYB. 5. "On the final stage of the journey towards a fully digital Britain we want to see our services available to all licence fee payers as quickly as possible and ensure that there are no pockets of people who are digitally disenfranchised. " Well with 50% yet to convert, and most of the conversion done by BSKYB so far, this is not the final stage of the journey, more the beginning of the hard slog. 6. "ensure that there are no pockets of people who are digitally disenfranchised." Given that viewers can not watch most programmes on BBC THREE and BBC FOUR without "continuous picture interference" from the BBC's on-screen marketing graffiti, I don't think her version of "disenfranchised" is quite the same as mine. ;-) 7. "Most importantly we are focused on our audiences and are aware of the danger of a deeper digital divide," commented Andy Duncan, Director, Marketing, Communications and Audiences, BBC. Well either audiences like DOGs or hate DOGs. If they "like" them, why don't they appear ALL the time, everywhere. If they "hate" them, why are they there at all, and why does the BBC fail to implement a Virtual-DOG system? Why won't Andy Duncan address the 1,861 members of LOGOFREETV or 6,900 signatories of What Video and TV LOGOs must die? Let the rioting and flame wars commence. http://logofreetv.org/ http://newmine.logofreetv.org/ -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
In article lgate.org,
"NO LOGO" wrote: So the BBC who instigated the collapse of a multi PSB Free Sat have made a statement of intent to reverse this problem. Good. In what sense do you claim "the BBC instigated the collapse of a multi PSB Free Sat?" |
In article lgate.org,
"NO LOGO" wrote: So the BBC who instigated the collapse of a multi PSB Free Sat have made a statement of intent to reverse this problem. Good. In what sense do you claim "the BBC instigated the collapse of a multi PSB Free Sat?" |
"NO LOGO" wrote in message news:[email protected] .mailgate.org... http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pre...itchover.shtml There is a heck of a lot to discuss in he semi related I guess... my brother got my mum a freeview digibox for her birthday. We don't have an outsider aerial but the picture is great. I know that you can pay to "add on" at least E4 but can you get anything else added on and if so would we need an aerial then? I hate technical stuff Kathryn |
"NO LOGO" wrote in message news:[email protected] .mailgate.org... http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pre...itchover.shtml There is a heck of a lot to discuss in he semi related I guess... my brother got my mum a freeview digibox for her birthday. We don't have an outsider aerial but the picture is great. I know that you can pay to "add on" at least E4 but can you get anything else added on and if so would we need an aerial then? I hate technical stuff Kathryn |
"NO LOGO" wrote in message
my brother got my mum a freeview digibox for her birthday. We don't have an outsider aerial but the picture is great. I know that you can pay to "add on" at least E4 but can you get anything else added on and if so would we need an aerial then? I hate technical stuff The box you have purchased will not be able to receive any of Top Up TV's "add on" channels, regardless whether you have an outdoor aerial or not. Top Up's pay channels require a card, only the older (and no longer made or sold) OnDigital/ITV-Digital boxes have a card slot. Top Up claim that new boxes will be on the market 'soon' with card slots, but for you I guess it's too late. |
"NO LOGO" wrote in message
my brother got my mum a freeview digibox for her birthday. We don't have an outsider aerial but the picture is great. I know that you can pay to "add on" at least E4 but can you get anything else added on and if so would we need an aerial then? I hate technical stuff The box you have purchased will not be able to receive any of Top Up TV's "add on" channels, regardless whether you have an outdoor aerial or not. Top Up's pay channels require a card, only the older (and no longer made or sold) OnDigital/ITV-Digital boxes have a card slot. Top Up claim that new boxes will be on the market 'soon' with card slots, but for you I guess it's too late. |
Mark Carver wrote:
"NO LOGO" wrote in message my brother got my mum a freeview digibox for her birthday. We don't have an outsider aerial but the picture is great. I know that you can pay to "add on" at least E4 but can you get anything else added on and if so would we need an aerial then? I hate technical stuff What are you doing on usenet then? That probably puts you in the top few percent of tech-savvy geeks already, and thats before you include the fact that you're not top posting ;-) The box you have purchased will not be able to receive any of Top Up TV's "add on" channels, regardless whether you have an outdoor aerial or not. Top Up's pay channels require a card, only the older (and no longer made or sold) OnDigital/ITV-Digital boxes have a card slot. Top Up claim that new boxes will be on the market 'soon' with card slots, but for you I guess it's too late. If you really wanted to, you could always pick up a second hand OnDigital/ITV-Digital box - they are a bit slow and clunky compared to modern ones, so people are always selling them. For the channel lineup go to http://www.freeview.co.uk for the free ones and http://www.topup.tv for the pay ones. |
Mark Carver wrote:
"NO LOGO" wrote in message my brother got my mum a freeview digibox for her birthday. We don't have an outsider aerial but the picture is great. I know that you can pay to "add on" at least E4 but can you get anything else added on and if so would we need an aerial then? I hate technical stuff What are you doing on usenet then? That probably puts you in the top few percent of tech-savvy geeks already, and thats before you include the fact that you're not top posting ;-) The box you have purchased will not be able to receive any of Top Up TV's "add on" channels, regardless whether you have an outdoor aerial or not. Top Up's pay channels require a card, only the older (and no longer made or sold) OnDigital/ITV-Digital boxes have a card slot. Top Up claim that new boxes will be on the market 'soon' with card slots, but for you I guess it's too late. If you really wanted to, you could always pick up a second hand OnDigital/ITV-Digital box - they are a bit slow and clunky compared to modern ones, so people are always selling them. For the channel lineup go to http://www.freeview.co.uk for the free ones and http://www.topup.tv for the pay ones. |
Ben wrote:
Mark Carver wrote: "NO LOGO" wrote in message my brother got my mum a freeview digibox for her birthday. We don't have an outsider aerial but the picture is great. I know that you can pay to "add on" at least E4 but can you get anything else added on and if so would we need an aerial then? I hate technical stuff What are you doing on usenet then? That probably puts you in the top few percent of tech-savvy geeks already, and thats before you include the fact that you're not top posting ;-) Please be careful with your quotations, neither myself, nor "No Logo" actually wrote any of that ! |
Ben wrote:
Mark Carver wrote: "NO LOGO" wrote in message my brother got my mum a freeview digibox for her birthday. We don't have an outsider aerial but the picture is great. I know that you can pay to "add on" at least E4 but can you get anything else added on and if so would we need an aerial then? I hate technical stuff What are you doing on usenet then? That probably puts you in the top few percent of tech-savvy geeks already, and thats before you include the fact that you're not top posting ;-) Please be careful with your quotations, neither myself, nor "No Logo" actually wrote any of that ! |
Mark Carver wrote:
Please be careful with your quotations, neither myself, nor "No Logo" actually wrote any of that ! Apologies to yourself and No Logo, as usual I was being over-zealous with the snipping. |
Mark Carver wrote:
Please be careful with your quotations, neither myself, nor "No Logo" actually wrote any of that ! Apologies to yourself and No Logo, as usual I was being over-zealous with the snipping. |
"Simon Gardner" [dot]co[dot]uk wrote in message
In article lgate.org, "NO LOGO" wrote: So the BBC who instigated the collapse of a multi PSB Free Sat have made a statement of intent to reverse this problem. Good. In what sense do you claim "the BBC instigated the collapse of a multi PSB Free Sat?" ;-) http://logofreetv.org/redirect.asp?i=1760 http://logofreetv.org/redirect.asp?i=1758 On 12/03/2003, when Greg Dyke announced the BBC would de-crypt, they did so without consulting with ITV, Channel 4, and FIVE, and without consideration for those channels' positions. Consider, FIVE, who's programme budget of £185M is barely more than just the BBC's marketing and advertising budget alone, and the scale of the problem for FIVE, C4, and the smaller ITV companies (then) was obvious. The problem is cultural. The BBC "awash with cash" (in the words of Mark Thompson) does not spend real world cash. The needs of both channels 3, 4 and 5 plus 750,000 homes were ignored by the BBC decision. Without Free To Air (or free at the point of access) for channels 3, 4, and 5, Digital Satellite is thwated as a Public Service Platform for all. Plurality and multitude of independent sources is considered an essential component of the UK's PSB ecology. At least the BBC, in words, has today said it needs to correct this. http://logofreetv.org/ http://newsmine.logofreetv.org/ -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
"Simon Gardner" [dot]co[dot]uk wrote in message
In article lgate.org, "NO LOGO" wrote: So the BBC who instigated the collapse of a multi PSB Free Sat have made a statement of intent to reverse this problem. Good. In what sense do you claim "the BBC instigated the collapse of a multi PSB Free Sat?" ;-) http://logofreetv.org/redirect.asp?i=1760 http://logofreetv.org/redirect.asp?i=1758 On 12/03/2003, when Greg Dyke announced the BBC would de-crypt, they did so without consulting with ITV, Channel 4, and FIVE, and without consideration for those channels' positions. Consider, FIVE, who's programme budget of £185M is barely more than just the BBC's marketing and advertising budget alone, and the scale of the problem for FIVE, C4, and the smaller ITV companies (then) was obvious. The problem is cultural. The BBC "awash with cash" (in the words of Mark Thompson) does not spend real world cash. The needs of both channels 3, 4 and 5 plus 750,000 homes were ignored by the BBC decision. Without Free To Air (or free at the point of access) for channels 3, 4, and 5, Digital Satellite is thwated as a Public Service Platform for all. Plurality and multitude of independent sources is considered an essential component of the UK's PSB ecology. At least the BBC, in words, has today said it needs to correct this. http://logofreetv.org/ http://newsmine.logofreetv.org/ -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
In article lgate.org,
"NO LOGO" wrote: "Simon Gardner" [dot]co[dot]uk wrote in message In article lgate.org, "NO LOGO" wrote: So the BBC who instigated the collapse of a multi PSB Free Sat have made a statement of intent to reverse this problem. Good. In what sense do you claim "the BBC instigated the collapse of a multi PSB Free Sat?" ;-) http://logofreetv.org/redirect.asp?i=1760 http://logofreetv.org/redirect.asp?i=1758 On 12/03/2003, when Greg Dyke announced the BBC would de-crypt, they did so without consulting with ITV, Channel 4, and FIVE, and without consideration for those channels' positions. Consider, FIVE, who's programme budget of £185M is barely more than just the BBC's marketing and advertising budget alone, and the scale of the problem for FIVE, C4, and the smaller ITV companies (then) was obvious. The problem is cultural. The BBC "awash with cash" (in the words of Mark Thompson) does not spend real world cash. The needs of both channels 3, 4 and 5 plus 750,000 homes were ignored by the BBC decision. Without Free To Air (or free at the point of access) for channels 3, 4, and 5, Digital Satellite is thwated as a Public Service Platform for all. Plurality and multitude of independent sources is considered an essential component of the UK's PSB ecology. At least the BBC, in words, has today said it needs to correct this. No sorry. I don't see that stands up your allegation. The BBC's laudable decision to go FTA did not mean it "instigated the collapse of a multi PSB Free Sat". C4, C5 and particularly ITV did that, the Government contributed and OfCom topped and tailed. If it is a failure anywhere, it's a failure at the utterly useless Department of Culture and its utterly useless Minister - WHO ALREADY HAS THE POWERS TO RECTIFY THE MATTER AND HAS HAD SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. |
In article lgate.org,
"NO LOGO" wrote: "Simon Gardner" [dot]co[dot]uk wrote in message In article lgate.org, "NO LOGO" wrote: So the BBC who instigated the collapse of a multi PSB Free Sat have made a statement of intent to reverse this problem. Good. In what sense do you claim "the BBC instigated the collapse of a multi PSB Free Sat?" ;-) http://logofreetv.org/redirect.asp?i=1760 http://logofreetv.org/redirect.asp?i=1758 On 12/03/2003, when Greg Dyke announced the BBC would de-crypt, they did so without consulting with ITV, Channel 4, and FIVE, and without consideration for those channels' positions. Consider, FIVE, who's programme budget of £185M is barely more than just the BBC's marketing and advertising budget alone, and the scale of the problem for FIVE, C4, and the smaller ITV companies (then) was obvious. The problem is cultural. The BBC "awash with cash" (in the words of Mark Thompson) does not spend real world cash. The needs of both channels 3, 4 and 5 plus 750,000 homes were ignored by the BBC decision. Without Free To Air (or free at the point of access) for channels 3, 4, and 5, Digital Satellite is thwated as a Public Service Platform for all. Plurality and multitude of independent sources is considered an essential component of the UK's PSB ecology. At least the BBC, in words, has today said it needs to correct this. No sorry. I don't see that stands up your allegation. The BBC's laudable decision to go FTA did not mean it "instigated the collapse of a multi PSB Free Sat". C4, C5 and particularly ITV did that, the Government contributed and OfCom topped and tailed. If it is a failure anywhere, it's a failure at the utterly useless Department of Culture and its utterly useless Minister - WHO ALREADY HAS THE POWERS TO RECTIFY THE MATTER AND HAS HAD SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. |
No sorry. I don't see that stands up your allegation. The BBC's laudable
decision to go FTA did not mean it "instigated the collapse of a multi PSB Free Sat". C4, C5 and particularly ITV did that, the Government contributed and OfCom topped and tailed. If it is a failure anywhere, it's a failure at the utterly useless Department of Culture and its utterly useless Minister - WHO ALREADY HAS THE POWERS TO RECTIFY THE MATTER AND HAS HAD SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. Well it is largely irrelevant what I think, so this is academic. I would not ask the DCMS to help an old lady cross the road let alone run a broadcasting system, so no disappointment there. History does however record that Dyke's Free to Air Satellite revolt appears to have been executed without discussing the matter with BSKYB, ITV, C4, FIVE, not to mention the equipment suppliers, and that small group of unimportant people; The UK citizens, general public, licence fee payers, and viewers. Whoops. -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
No sorry. I don't see that stands up your allegation. The BBC's laudable
decision to go FTA did not mean it "instigated the collapse of a multi PSB Free Sat". C4, C5 and particularly ITV did that, the Government contributed and OfCom topped and tailed. If it is a failure anywhere, it's a failure at the utterly useless Department of Culture and its utterly useless Minister - WHO ALREADY HAS THE POWERS TO RECTIFY THE MATTER AND HAS HAD SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. Well it is largely irrelevant what I think, so this is academic. I would not ask the DCMS to help an old lady cross the road let alone run a broadcasting system, so no disappointment there. History does however record that Dyke's Free to Air Satellite revolt appears to have been executed without discussing the matter with BSKYB, ITV, C4, FIVE, not to mention the equipment suppliers, and that small group of unimportant people; The UK citizens, general public, licence fee payers, and viewers. Whoops. -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
NO LOGO wrote:
2. "On this, the Corporation welcomes the opportunity to work with other organisations as quickly as possible to begin to make a non-subscription digital satellite option a reality." So the BBC who instigated the collapse of a multi PSB Free Sat have made a statement of intent to reverse this problem. Good. This means that something major such as ITV, C4, and FIVE going Free To Air will happen, or something major in resetting up SOLUS must happen. May be now Dyke-head is gone, the BBC may even re-encrypt. There is no earthly reason why the BBC or any other broadcaster should have to pay Sky an arm and a leg to have FTV cards issued. Sky must be obliged by law to provide these at cost (£5?) to anyone who wants one and must also be made to charge a really fair price for EPG placement and FTV encryption services. Current rates for both of these are an absolute joke that makes Ofcom look like the toothless NewsCorp lackey it is. Mind you, the same applies to Blair and cronies in spades. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/yvnsy How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/ BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
NO LOGO wrote:
2. "On this, the Corporation welcomes the opportunity to work with other organisations as quickly as possible to begin to make a non-subscription digital satellite option a reality." So the BBC who instigated the collapse of a multi PSB Free Sat have made a statement of intent to reverse this problem. Good. This means that something major such as ITV, C4, and FIVE going Free To Air will happen, or something major in resetting up SOLUS must happen. May be now Dyke-head is gone, the BBC may even re-encrypt. There is no earthly reason why the BBC or any other broadcaster should have to pay Sky an arm and a leg to have FTV cards issued. Sky must be obliged by law to provide these at cost (£5?) to anyone who wants one and must also be made to charge a really fair price for EPG placement and FTV encryption services. Current rates for both of these are an absolute joke that makes Ofcom look like the toothless NewsCorp lackey it is. Mind you, the same applies to Blair and cronies in spades. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/yvnsy How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/ BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:58:56 +0000 (UTC), "NO LOGO" wrote:
5. "On the final stage of the journey towards a fully digital Britain we want to see our services available to all licence fee payers as quickly as possible and ensure that there are no pockets of people who are digitally disenfranchised. " Well with 50% yet to convert, and most of the conversion done by BSKYB so far, this is not the final stage of the journey, more the beginning of the hard slog. How about they do a BBC FTA satellite receiver which gives all the currents Freeview channels. There are precedents for BBC hardware e.g. BBC Micro computer. -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur |
On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:58:56 +0000 (UTC), "NO LOGO" wrote:
5. "On the final stage of the journey towards a fully digital Britain we want to see our services available to all licence fee payers as quickly as possible and ensure that there are no pockets of people who are digitally disenfranchised. " Well with 50% yet to convert, and most of the conversion done by BSKYB so far, this is not the final stage of the journey, more the beginning of the hard slog. How about they do a BBC FTA satellite receiver which gives all the currents Freeview channels. There are precedents for BBC hardware e.g. BBC Micro computer. -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur |
Interesting post on http://forum.logofreetv.org/ by Mark G. http://forum.logofreetv.org/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=979 -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
Interesting post on http://forum.logofreetv.org/ by Mark G. http://forum.logofreetv.org/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=979 -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... "NO LOGO" wrote in message my brother got my mum a freeview digibox for her birthday. We don't have an outsider aerial but the picture is great. I know that you can pay to "add on" at least E4 but can you get anything else added on and if so would we need an aerial then? I hate technical stuff The box you have purchased will not be able to receive any of Top Up TV's "add on" channels, regardless whether you have an outdoor aerial or not. Top Up's pay channels require a card, only the older (and no longer made or sold) OnDigital/ITV-Digital boxes have a card slot. Top Up claim that new boxes will be on the market 'soon' with card slots, but for you I guess it's too late. I'll not cry I never get to watch the downstairs tv anyways and its purely as I would consider getting myself one in the future if I thought there would be something decent. Kathryn |
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... "NO LOGO" wrote in message my brother got my mum a freeview digibox for her birthday. We don't have an outsider aerial but the picture is great. I know that you can pay to "add on" at least E4 but can you get anything else added on and if so would we need an aerial then? I hate technical stuff The box you have purchased will not be able to receive any of Top Up TV's "add on" channels, regardless whether you have an outdoor aerial or not. Top Up's pay channels require a card, only the older (and no longer made or sold) OnDigital/ITV-Digital boxes have a card slot. Top Up claim that new boxes will be on the market 'soon' with card slots, but for you I guess it's too late. I'll not cry I never get to watch the downstairs tv anyways and its purely as I would consider getting myself one in the future if I thought there would be something decent. Kathryn |
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