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BBC in France
I note (to my surprise) that the French satellite comic - Tele-satellite -
now publishes weekly BBC schedules (inc CBBC etc) for all their French readers who (we are told) aren't interested in watching the BBC on their dishes that can't (we are told) get it [cf the nonsensical Jomtien's Catch Pi]. [I tend to buy a copy of this cracking good read whenever I'm in France.] |
Simon Gardner wrote:
I note (to my surprise) that the French satellite comic - Tele-satellite - now publishes weekly BBC schedules (inc CBBC etc) for all their French readers who (we are told) aren't interested in watching the BBC on their dishes that can't (we are told) get it [cf the nonsensical Jomtien's Catch Pi]. [I tend to buy a copy of this cracking good read whenever I'm in France.] Since I receive BBC quite well from Germany (with my 2nd dish), it should be to much of a problem to receive them from most parts of France... CU Torsten |
Simon Gardner wrote:
I note (to my surprise) that the French satellite comic - Tele-satellite - now publishes weekly BBC schedules (inc CBBC etc) for all their French readers who (we are told) aren't interested in watching the BBC on their dishes that can't (we are told) get it [cf the nonsensical Jomtien's Catch Pi]. [I tend to buy a copy of this cracking good read whenever I'm in France.] Since I receive BBC quite well from Germany (with my 2nd dish), it should be to much of a problem to receive them from most parts of France... CU Torsten |
On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 07:54:40 +0100, rnet[dot]co[dot]uk
(Simon Gardner) wrote: I note (to my surprise) that the French satellite comic - Tele-satellite - now publishes weekly BBC schedules (inc CBBC etc) for all their French readers who (we are told) aren't interested in watching the BBC on their dishes that can't (we are told) get it Sacre bleu - but eet ease in engleish, ow will zey understand zee telletubbies. -- Jim Watt http://www.gibnet.com |
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"T. Fink" wrote: Simon Gardner wrote: I note (to my surprise) that the French satellite comic - Tele-satellite - now publishes weekly BBC schedules (inc CBBC etc) for all their French readers who (we are told) aren't interested in watching the BBC on their dishes that can't (we are told) get it [cf the nonsensical Jomtien's Catch Pi]. [I tend to buy a copy of this cracking good read whenever I'm in France.] Since I receive BBC quite well from Germany (with my 2nd dish), it should be to much of a problem to receive them from most parts of France... You missed the point. Of course you can receive it quite well in Germany and of course it's easy to get all over France - and indeed a large part of Western Europe. The point is that we have been lectured for a number of years by Jomtien who maintains that (a) nobody in France (in particular) will ever want to watch it and (b) the only people who want to watch it in continental Europe are those with relatives or friends in the UK. This is, of course, ******** and always was. |
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"T. Fink" wrote: Simon Gardner wrote: I note (to my surprise) that the French satellite comic - Tele-satellite - now publishes weekly BBC schedules (inc CBBC etc) for all their French readers who (we are told) aren't interested in watching the BBC on their dishes that can't (we are told) get it [cf the nonsensical Jomtien's Catch Pi]. [I tend to buy a copy of this cracking good read whenever I'm in France.] Since I receive BBC quite well from Germany (with my 2nd dish), it should be to much of a problem to receive them from most parts of France... You missed the point. Of course you can receive it quite well in Germany and of course it's easy to get all over France - and indeed a large part of Western Europe. The point is that we have been lectured for a number of years by Jomtien who maintains that (a) nobody in France (in particular) will ever want to watch it and (b) the only people who want to watch it in continental Europe are those with relatives or friends in the UK. This is, of course, ******** and always was. |
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Jim Watt wrote: Sacre bleu - but eet ease in engleish, ow will zey understand zee telletubbies. What is the 'first' foreign language taught in French schools and is it compulsory? |
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Jim Watt wrote: Sacre bleu - but eet ease in engleish, ow will zey understand zee telletubbies. What is the 'first' foreign language taught in French schools and is it compulsory? |
The point is that we have been lectured for a number of years by Jomtien
who maintains that (a) nobody in France (in particular) will ever want to watch it and (b) the only people who want to watch it in continental Europe are those with relatives or friends in the UK. This is, of course, ******** and always was. Yawn |
The point is that we have been lectured for a number of years by Jomtien
who maintains that (a) nobody in France (in particular) will ever want to watch it and (b) the only people who want to watch it in continental Europe are those with relatives or friends in the UK. This is, of course, ******** and always was. Yawn |
In article , Simon Gardner (sg) writes:
sg [stuff no one anywhere outside his skull has any interest in] Can't you think of _anything_ worthwhile to talk about? -- Mail me as _O_ | |
In article , Simon Gardner (sg) writes:
sg [stuff no one anywhere outside his skull has any interest in] Can't you think of _anything_ worthwhile to talk about? -- Mail me as _O_ | |
Simon Gardner wrote:
You missed the point. Of course you can receive it quite well in Germany and of course it's easy to get all over France - and indeed a large part of Western Europe. The point is that we have been lectured for a number of years by Jomtien who maintains that (a) nobody in France (in particular) will ever want to watch it and (b) the only people who want to watch it in continental Europe are those with relatives or friends in the UK. This is, of course, ******** and always was. Ah, OK, I am quite new to this group so I don't know the "internal policies" here ;) CU Torsten |
Simon Gardner wrote:
You missed the point. Of course you can receive it quite well in Germany and of course it's easy to get all over France - and indeed a large part of Western Europe. The point is that we have been lectured for a number of years by Jomtien who maintains that (a) nobody in France (in particular) will ever want to watch it and (b) the only people who want to watch it in continental Europe are those with relatives or friends in the UK. This is, of course, ******** and always was. Ah, OK, I am quite new to this group so I don't know the "internal policies" here ;) CU Torsten |
"Simon Gardner" [dot]co[dot]uk wrote in message
... " This is, of course, ******** and always was. " Maybe you can get Tony Blair to ask for the BBC to be subsidised by the French people. He can, after all, speak the language. |
"Simon Gardner" [dot]co[dot]uk wrote in message
... " This is, of course, ******** and always was. " Maybe you can get Tony Blair to ask for the BBC to be subsidised by the French people. He can, after all, speak the language. |
Simon Gardner wrote:
You missed the point. Of course you can receive it quite well in Germany and of course it's easy to get all over France - and indeed a large part of Western Europe. The point is that we have been lectured for a number of years by Jomtien who maintains that (a) nobody in France (in particular) will ever want to watch it and (b) the only people who want to watch it in continental Europe are those with relatives or friends in the UK. This is, of course, ******** and always was. And everybody knew that! But maybe Jomty didn't want to upset the people who don't like the idea of Johnny Foreigner watching the BBC when they're not paying for it. You know how these UK TV Licence payers get on their high horse about paying for stuff that others in Europe can watch for free. Begrudgers the lot of 'em! - I have all the BBC channels added to my Other Channels section of my digibox and don't pay a UK TV Licence, so there! But I do have to suffer RTÉ, and pay an Irish TV Licence for that er... 'pleasure'. I can recommend RTÉ wholeheartedly to the French, some of 'em deserve it! :-) |
Simon Gardner wrote:
You missed the point. Of course you can receive it quite well in Germany and of course it's easy to get all over France - and indeed a large part of Western Europe. The point is that we have been lectured for a number of years by Jomtien who maintains that (a) nobody in France (in particular) will ever want to watch it and (b) the only people who want to watch it in continental Europe are those with relatives or friends in the UK. This is, of course, ******** and always was. And everybody knew that! But maybe Jomty didn't want to upset the people who don't like the idea of Johnny Foreigner watching the BBC when they're not paying for it. You know how these UK TV Licence payers get on their high horse about paying for stuff that others in Europe can watch for free. Begrudgers the lot of 'em! - I have all the BBC channels added to my Other Channels section of my digibox and don't pay a UK TV Licence, so there! But I do have to suffer RTÉ, and pay an Irish TV Licence for that er... 'pleasure'. I can recommend RTÉ wholeheartedly to the French, some of 'em deserve it! :-) |
T. Fink wrote:
Ah, OK, I am quite new to this group so I don't know the "internal policies" here ;) CU Torsten Ah, allow me to elucidate. The last time we had this discussion was when the BBC went FTA. There was a great wailing and gnashing of teeth because, ?of course?, the whole of continental Europe was going to rush off to their local satellite shop and spend a fortune in order to watch the BBC for free. Jonny foreigner was going to get the Beeb at the expense of us Brits. The reason for this is ?of course? that Jonny Foreigner is just desperate to watch telly in a foreign language. I suppose, if they don't understand, they can always turn up the volume so it sounds like it's being shouted (everybody knows if you shout at them loud enough in English they'll understand). The reality is that a handful of ex-pats (the few that didn't already had Sky) and a tiny number of enthusiasts have installed dishes. I know this because i am one of the handful of ex-pats. I have lived in France for many years and I know a lot of French people who speak English, some of them very well ? not a single one watches the BBC. |
T. Fink wrote:
Ah, OK, I am quite new to this group so I don't know the "internal policies" here ;) CU Torsten Ah, allow me to elucidate. The last time we had this discussion was when the BBC went FTA. There was a great wailing and gnashing of teeth because, ?of course?, the whole of continental Europe was going to rush off to their local satellite shop and spend a fortune in order to watch the BBC for free. Jonny foreigner was going to get the Beeb at the expense of us Brits. The reason for this is ?of course? that Jonny Foreigner is just desperate to watch telly in a foreign language. I suppose, if they don't understand, they can always turn up the volume so it sounds like it's being shouted (everybody knows if you shout at them loud enough in English they'll understand). The reality is that a handful of ex-pats (the few that didn't already had Sky) and a tiny number of enthusiasts have installed dishes. I know this because i am one of the handful of ex-pats. I have lived in France for many years and I know a lot of French people who speak English, some of them very well ? not a single one watches the BBC. |
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"Simon Gardner" [dot]co[dot]uk wrote in message ... I note (to my surprise) that the French satellite comic - Tele-satellite - now publishes weekly BBC schedules (inc CBBC etc) for all their French readers who (we are told) aren't interested in watching the BBC on their dishes that can't (we are told) get it [cf the nonsensical Jomtien's Catch Pi]. [I tend to buy a copy of this cracking good read whenever I'm in France.] Well, this subject kind of makes me laugh. As an expat, I've been denied good BBC programming for too long. Sure, there are licensing issues with regard to films and localisation and that's mainly because of the reach of the English language. It's strange indeed that a cultural success - how far the English language is understoon - then becomes a barrier to broadcasting. Personally, I see money spent on limiting the reach of the programming as a waste of resources. I don't see why British taxpayers should a) finance technology that limits the viewing of the BBC and b) would in any way object to British culture being broadcast all over Europe. The way that I see it is that the corporations have made it difficult to allow English broadcasting to flourish through their "geographic" thinking. Anywhere else, broadcasting is all too keen to reach the ears and eyes of more people - it's a criteria for success. Sure tv that's free of advertizing and is supported only by taxpayers doesn't benefit in terms of economics but that shouldn't be taxed further by the forced use of encryption technologies and reduced footprints. Time for the legislators to come in in Brussels and give these guys an exemption for "national broadcasting" that forfeits geographic reach for non-subscription and advertizing based TV channels. Taking a completely different perspective, we've got the supposed success of British broadcasting becoming a barrier to entry in Europe. There's a whole lot of good to be said about British TV and culture and broadcasting it across Europe would be a very good thing and allow our neighbours to learn to understand us much more. Ah well, silly me - if the big media corporations won't allow it I guess they really know best... Especially when it comes to music eh? Can't they figure out that people aren't buying their music because it simply isn't any good any more? cb |
"Simon Gardner" [dot]co[dot]uk wrote in message ... I note (to my surprise) that the French satellite comic - Tele-satellite - now publishes weekly BBC schedules (inc CBBC etc) for all their French readers who (we are told) aren't interested in watching the BBC on their dishes that can't (we are told) get it [cf the nonsensical Jomtien's Catch Pi]. [I tend to buy a copy of this cracking good read whenever I'm in France.] Well, this subject kind of makes me laugh. As an expat, I've been denied good BBC programming for too long. Sure, there are licensing issues with regard to films and localisation and that's mainly because of the reach of the English language. It's strange indeed that a cultural success - how far the English language is understoon - then becomes a barrier to broadcasting. Personally, I see money spent on limiting the reach of the programming as a waste of resources. I don't see why British taxpayers should a) finance technology that limits the viewing of the BBC and b) would in any way object to British culture being broadcast all over Europe. The way that I see it is that the corporations have made it difficult to allow English broadcasting to flourish through their "geographic" thinking. Anywhere else, broadcasting is all too keen to reach the ears and eyes of more people - it's a criteria for success. Sure tv that's free of advertizing and is supported only by taxpayers doesn't benefit in terms of economics but that shouldn't be taxed further by the forced use of encryption technologies and reduced footprints. Time for the legislators to come in in Brussels and give these guys an exemption for "national broadcasting" that forfeits geographic reach for non-subscription and advertizing based TV channels. Taking a completely different perspective, we've got the supposed success of British broadcasting becoming a barrier to entry in Europe. There's a whole lot of good to be said about British TV and culture and broadcasting it across Europe would be a very good thing and allow our neighbours to learn to understand us much more. Ah well, silly me - if the big media corporations won't allow it I guess they really know best... Especially when it comes to music eh? Can't they figure out that people aren't buying their music because it simply isn't any good any more? cb |
"Simon Gardner" [dot]co[dot]uk wrote in message
... I note (to my surprise) that the French satellite comic - Tele-satellite - now publishes weekly BBC schedules (inc CBBC etc) for all their French readers who (we are told) aren't interested in watching the BBC on their dishes that can't (we are told) get it [cf the nonsensical Jomtien's Catch Pi]. [I tend to buy a copy of this cracking good read whenever I'm in France.] You mean you've only just noticed Greg Dikes plan to go clear on Astra 2, was actually to teach Johnny Foreigner to speak English :-) Steve Terry |
"Simon Gardner" [dot]co[dot]uk wrote in message
... I note (to my surprise) that the French satellite comic - Tele-satellite - now publishes weekly BBC schedules (inc CBBC etc) for all their French readers who (we are told) aren't interested in watching the BBC on their dishes that can't (we are told) get it [cf the nonsensical Jomtien's Catch Pi]. [I tend to buy a copy of this cracking good read whenever I'm in France.] You mean you've only just noticed Greg Dikes plan to go clear on Astra 2, was actually to teach Johnny Foreigner to speak English :-) Steve Terry |
"Jim Watt" wrote in message ... On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 07:54:40 +0100, rnet[dot]co[dot]uk (Simon Gardner) wrote: I note (to my surprise) that the French satellite comic - Tele-satellite - now publishes weekly BBC schedules (inc CBBC etc) for all their French readers who (we are told) aren't interested in watching the BBC on their dishes that can't (we are told) get it Sacre bleu - but eet ease in engleish, ow will zey understand zee telletubbies. Jim Watt Kes ker say "Uhh Urr" sur Franczes ? :-) Steve Terry |
"Jim Watt" wrote in message ... On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 07:54:40 +0100, rnet[dot]co[dot]uk (Simon Gardner) wrote: I note (to my surprise) that the French satellite comic - Tele-satellite - now publishes weekly BBC schedules (inc CBBC etc) for all their French readers who (we are told) aren't interested in watching the BBC on their dishes that can't (we are told) get it Sacre bleu - but eet ease in engleish, ow will zey understand zee telletubbies. Jim Watt Kes ker say "Uhh Urr" sur Franczes ? :-) Steve Terry |
rnet[dot]co[dot]uk (Simon Gardner) wrote:
The point is that we have been lectured for a number of years by Jomtien who maintains that (a) nobody in France (in particular) will ever want to watch it and (b) the only people who want to watch it in continental Europe are those with relatives or friends in the UK. This is, of course, ******** and always was. No, the nonsense is and always was your lies about what I actually wrote. This, combined with your astounding ignorance of so many other things (currently the Irish question), puts you in a league all of your own. Not only do you ignore what people do say but you invent things that they don't say. This must make you one of usenet's biggest clowns, and of course we have daily proof of this. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/yvnsy How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/ BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
rnet[dot]co[dot]uk (Simon Gardner) wrote:
The point is that we have been lectured for a number of years by Jomtien who maintains that (a) nobody in France (in particular) will ever want to watch it and (b) the only people who want to watch it in continental Europe are those with relatives or friends in the UK. This is, of course, ******** and always was. No, the nonsense is and always was your lies about what I actually wrote. This, combined with your astounding ignorance of so many other things (currently the Irish question), puts you in a league all of your own. Not only do you ignore what people do say but you invent things that they don't say. This must make you one of usenet's biggest clowns, and of course we have daily proof of this. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/yvnsy How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/ BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
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"Steve Terry" wrote: You mean you've only just noticed Greg Dikes plan to go clear on Astra 2, was actually to teach Johnny Foreigner to speak English :-) I am and always have been in favour of the BBC becoming a pan-European broadcaster: Nation shall speak unto nation. However it appears - from what I've seen - that amongst British taxpayers, I may be in a minority. But at least the BBC is now broadcasting to half the EU. |
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"Steve Terry" wrote: You mean you've only just noticed Greg Dikes plan to go clear on Astra 2, was actually to teach Johnny Foreigner to speak English :-) I am and always have been in favour of the BBC becoming a pan-European broadcaster: Nation shall speak unto nation. However it appears - from what I've seen - that amongst British taxpayers, I may be in a minority. But at least the BBC is now broadcasting to half the EU. |
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"T. Fink" wrote: Well, then thanks to all in Britain paying for me. In nexchange I will be happy to pay for anyone abroad willing to watch our public TV stations I watch your public TV stations every day, thanks. I even buy Tele-Satellite from time-to-time (which is how I stumbled on those Gallic BBC home-channel listings). And I also buy Tele Deux Semaines. |
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"T. Fink" wrote: Well, then thanks to all in Britain paying for me. In nexchange I will be happy to pay for anyone abroad willing to watch our public TV stations I watch your public TV stations every day, thanks. I even buy Tele-Satellite from time-to-time (which is how I stumbled on those Gallic BBC home-channel listings). And I also buy Tele Deux Semaines. |
"Simon Gardner" [dot]co[dot]uk skrev i meddelandet ... I wonder why Tele-Satellite prints the schedule when none of its readers use them. It's a conundrum all right. I would like to differ. I live in Scandinavia where you can communicate with most people in English. Going by bus or shopping in a little supermarket miles from anywhere - no problems doing that in English. BUT - It is an entirely different thing to understand for instance "Auf Wiedersehen Pet". You do need a different fluency in English to do that. A fluency only a fraction of the population has. Some other programmes with an easier language like Star Trek would be easier but still predominantly only people with a higher education would cope without subtitles. My mother tongue is Danish and I learned English for 7 years in school. Until I had been married (with a brit) for several years Auf Wiedersehen Pet was mostly incomprehensible to me. In Sweden the TV magazines print programmes for certain German channels. From my experience almost no Swedes understand German though. Cheers Puffin |
"Simon Gardner" [dot]co[dot]uk skrev i meddelandet ... I wonder why Tele-Satellite prints the schedule when none of its readers use them. It's a conundrum all right. I would like to differ. I live in Scandinavia where you can communicate with most people in English. Going by bus or shopping in a little supermarket miles from anywhere - no problems doing that in English. BUT - It is an entirely different thing to understand for instance "Auf Wiedersehen Pet". You do need a different fluency in English to do that. A fluency only a fraction of the population has. Some other programmes with an easier language like Star Trek would be easier but still predominantly only people with a higher education would cope without subtitles. My mother tongue is Danish and I learned English for 7 years in school. Until I had been married (with a brit) for several years Auf Wiedersehen Pet was mostly incomprehensible to me. In Sweden the TV magazines print programmes for certain German channels. From my experience almost no Swedes understand German though. Cheers Puffin |
Simon Gardner wrote:
It's not been easily available in France for very long. It's still not easily available. you need a satellite receiver and dish pointed at Astra 2. Which means you need to be motivated to get the beeb specifically, not just as part of a package. If it's on cable in Belgium, if you've got cable you've got access to the beeb. I wonder why Tele-Satellite prints the schedule when none of its readers use them. It's a conundrum all right. Perhaps for Belgian cable subscribers. |
Simon Gardner wrote:
It's not been easily available in France for very long. It's still not easily available. you need a satellite receiver and dish pointed at Astra 2. Which means you need to be motivated to get the beeb specifically, not just as part of a package. If it's on cable in Belgium, if you've got cable you've got access to the beeb. I wonder why Tele-Satellite prints the schedule when none of its readers use them. It's a conundrum all right. Perhaps for Belgian cable subscribers. |
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 07:38:45 +0200, "Huffin the Puffin"
wrote: "Simon Gardner" [dot]co[dot]uk skrev i meddelandet ... I wonder why Tele-Satellite prints the schedule when none of its readers use them. It's a conundrum all right. I would like to differ. I live in Scandinavia where you can communicate with most people in English. Going by bus or shopping in a little supermarket miles from anywhere - no problems doing that in English. BUT - It is an entirely different thing to understand for instance "Auf Wiedersehen Pet". You do need a different fluency in English to do that. A fluency only a fraction of the population has. I watched 'Abs Fab' on BBC America and noted a certain confusion about the words and what they meant from the natives. Some other programmes with an easier language like Star Trek would be easier but still predominantly only people with a higher education would cope without subtitles. My mother tongue is Danish and I learned English for 7 years in school. Until I had been married (with a brit) for several years Auf Wiedersehen Pet was mostly incomprehensible to me. In Sweden the TV magazines print programmes for certain German channels. From my experience almost no Swedes understand German though. Cheers Puffin -- Jim Watt http://www.gibnet.com |
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