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Going from Sky to NTL - any opinions?
My sister has the Sky Family Pack and Disney, but no landline (her 12-month
minimum subs was completed at a previous address) and just uses her mobile to make calls. However, she's looking to get the equivalent package on NTL and use their phone system for calls to landlines so has worked out that overall it'll be cheaper. I've no experience of NTL's quality of service over the digital TV side of things, and until the competition is opened up for line rental in the coming months, BT want to charge £10.50/month for that, and despite there being an old socket in an upstairs bedroom, BT wanted to charge nearly £100 for putting one in downstairs when they reconnect. Occasionally BT have cheap "reconnect to BT" offers, and when I did it 5.5 years ago I only paid £10 for the whole thing, plus the usual line rental of course. All opinions welcome. TIA, -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk (editor), /* 968 DVDs, 283 games, 33 videos, 81 cinema films, 70 CDs, laserdiscs & news /* love actually, monster, spy hunter 2, james bond: everything or nothing Fight back against "PRESS RED": http://dvdfever.co.uk/pressrel/pressred.shtml |
I have been using NTL for the last 5 years for both phone and TV (and
internet), and the service has been fine so far. However, forget about anything interactive (at least here in Glasgow). It can take as long as a few minutes for a simple text page to download on their "TV guide" page, and pressing the Interactive button results in having to wait for the page to download for at least 3-4 minutes, only to find out that it is as good as a blank page. I have yet to find anything useful with their interactive service, and always end up re-booting the box (disconnecting and connecting) when I get fed up waiting for it to download after accidentally pressing the button. "Dom Robinson" wrote in message t... My sister has the Sky Family Pack and Disney, but no landline (her 12-month minimum subs was completed at a previous address) and just uses her mobile to make calls. However, she's looking to get the equivalent package on NTL and use their phone system for calls to landlines so has worked out that overall it'll be cheaper. I've no experience of NTL's quality of service over the digital TV side of things, and until the competition is opened up for line rental in the coming months, BT want to charge £10.50/month for that, and despite there being an old socket in an upstairs bedroom, BT wanted to charge nearly £100 for putting one in downstairs when they reconnect. Occasionally BT have cheap "reconnect to BT" offers, and when I did it 5.5 years ago I only paid £10 for the whole thing, plus the usual line rental of course. All opinions welcome. TIA, -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk (editor), /* 968 DVDs, 283 games, 33 videos, 81 cinema films, 70 CDs, laserdiscs & news /* love actually, monster, spy hunter 2, james bond: everything or nothing Fight back against "PRESS RED": http://dvdfever.co.uk/pressrel/pressred.shtml |
I have been using NTL for the last 5 years for both phone and TV (and
internet), and the service has been fine so far. However, forget about anything interactive (at least here in Glasgow). It can take as long as a few minutes for a simple text page to download on their "TV guide" page, and pressing the Interactive button results in having to wait for the page to download for at least 3-4 minutes, only to find out that it is as good as a blank page. I have yet to find anything useful with their interactive service, and always end up re-booting the box (disconnecting and connecting) when I get fed up waiting for it to download after accidentally pressing the button. "Dom Robinson" wrote in message t... My sister has the Sky Family Pack and Disney, but no landline (her 12-month minimum subs was completed at a previous address) and just uses her mobile to make calls. However, she's looking to get the equivalent package on NTL and use their phone system for calls to landlines so has worked out that overall it'll be cheaper. I've no experience of NTL's quality of service over the digital TV side of things, and until the competition is opened up for line rental in the coming months, BT want to charge £10.50/month for that, and despite there being an old socket in an upstairs bedroom, BT wanted to charge nearly £100 for putting one in downstairs when they reconnect. Occasionally BT have cheap "reconnect to BT" offers, and when I did it 5.5 years ago I only paid £10 for the whole thing, plus the usual line rental of course. All opinions welcome. TIA, -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk (editor), /* 968 DVDs, 283 games, 33 videos, 81 cinema films, 70 CDs, laserdiscs & news /* love actually, monster, spy hunter 2, james bond: everything or nothing Fight back against "PRESS RED": http://dvdfever.co.uk/pressrel/pressred.shtml |
"Dom Robinson" wrote in message t... My sister has the Sky Family Pack and Disney, but no landline (her 12-month minimum subs was completed at a previous address) and just uses her mobile to make calls. However, she's looking to get the equivalent package on NTL and use their phone system for calls to landlines so has worked out that overall it'll be cheaper. Not sure if this is still going but I'm moving soon and was contacted by NTL over taking out a TV package FREE because I had Cable modem service and telephone service. (Only a version of Freeview channels from the list they gave me tho') I've no experience of NTL's quality of service over the digital TV side of things, and until the competition is opened up for line rental in the coming months, BT want to charge £10.50/month for that, and despite there being an old socket in an upstairs bedroom, BT wanted to charge nearly £100 for putting one in downstairs when they reconnect. Well,Line rental for me is free having vable modem service (Though my phone service is a set fee for free local calls up to 59 minutes,Similar to BT's service I think?) I too was amazed how much BT wanted to re-connect the phone line (Is'nt it usually to install a completely new line from telegraph pole to property?) Occasionally BT have cheap "reconnect to BT" offers, and when I did it 5.5 years ago I only paid £10 for the whole thing, plus the usual line rental of course. Yes,I think this is if the main phone socket/line is already installed and the engineer can connect you up without visiting though. If NTL Worls is anything to go by though (E-Mail down a lot of the time,Having to switch servers etc) I'd hope their TV service is'nt the same! I do know *Press Red* is practically none working on NTL though...phoning NTL always gets you the "Oh,There's a Network problem" reply :( TBH though (and fair) I've had no problems with their phone service and find it a lot cheaper than BT :-) All opinions welcome. TIA, -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk (editor), /* 968 DVDs, 283 games, 33 videos, 81 cinema films, 70 CDs, laserdiscs & news /* love actually, monster, spy hunter 2, james bond: everything or nothing Fight back against "PRESS RED": http://dvdfever.co.uk/pressrel/pressred.shtml |
"Dom Robinson" wrote in message t... My sister has the Sky Family Pack and Disney, but no landline (her 12-month minimum subs was completed at a previous address) and just uses her mobile to make calls. However, she's looking to get the equivalent package on NTL and use their phone system for calls to landlines so has worked out that overall it'll be cheaper. Not sure if this is still going but I'm moving soon and was contacted by NTL over taking out a TV package FREE because I had Cable modem service and telephone service. (Only a version of Freeview channels from the list they gave me tho') I've no experience of NTL's quality of service over the digital TV side of things, and until the competition is opened up for line rental in the coming months, BT want to charge £10.50/month for that, and despite there being an old socket in an upstairs bedroom, BT wanted to charge nearly £100 for putting one in downstairs when they reconnect. Well,Line rental for me is free having vable modem service (Though my phone service is a set fee for free local calls up to 59 minutes,Similar to BT's service I think?) I too was amazed how much BT wanted to re-connect the phone line (Is'nt it usually to install a completely new line from telegraph pole to property?) Occasionally BT have cheap "reconnect to BT" offers, and when I did it 5.5 years ago I only paid £10 for the whole thing, plus the usual line rental of course. Yes,I think this is if the main phone socket/line is already installed and the engineer can connect you up without visiting though. If NTL Worls is anything to go by though (E-Mail down a lot of the time,Having to switch servers etc) I'd hope their TV service is'nt the same! I do know *Press Red* is practically none working on NTL though...phoning NTL always gets you the "Oh,There's a Network problem" reply :( TBH though (and fair) I've had no problems with their phone service and find it a lot cheaper than BT :-) All opinions welcome. TIA, -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk (editor), /* 968 DVDs, 283 games, 33 videos, 81 cinema films, 70 CDs, laserdiscs & news /* love actually, monster, spy hunter 2, james bond: everything or nothing Fight back against "PRESS RED": http://dvdfever.co.uk/pressrel/pressred.shtml |
If things are working ok, NTL is fine, but the online TV guide is
particularly slow and you can't see ahead more than one day. NTL customer service is notoriously appalling because it seems that they have no interest in investing in even the necessary minimum infrastructure. A pity the people who work there because there morale must be very low. "Dom Robinson" wrote in message t... My sister has the Sky Family Pack and Disney, but no landline (her 12-month minimum subs was completed at a previous address) and just uses her mobile to make calls. However, she's looking to get the equivalent package on NTL and use their phone system for calls to landlines so has worked out that overall it'll be cheaper. I've no experience of NTL's quality of service over the digital TV side of things, and until the competition is opened up for line rental in the coming months, BT want to charge £10.50/month for that, and despite there being an old socket in an upstairs bedroom, BT wanted to charge nearly £100 for putting one in downstairs when they reconnect. Occasionally BT have cheap "reconnect to BT" offers, and when I did it 5.5 years ago I only paid £10 for the whole thing, plus the usual line rental of course. All opinions welcome. TIA, -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk (editor), /* 968 DVDs, 283 games, 33 videos, 81 cinema films, 70 CDs, laserdiscs & news /* love actually, monster, spy hunter 2, james bond: everything or nothing Fight back against "PRESS RED": http://dvdfever.co.uk/pressrel/pressred.shtml |
If things are working ok, NTL is fine, but the online TV guide is
particularly slow and you can't see ahead more than one day. NTL customer service is notoriously appalling because it seems that they have no interest in investing in even the necessary minimum infrastructure. A pity the people who work there because there morale must be very low. "Dom Robinson" wrote in message t... My sister has the Sky Family Pack and Disney, but no landline (her 12-month minimum subs was completed at a previous address) and just uses her mobile to make calls. However, she's looking to get the equivalent package on NTL and use their phone system for calls to landlines so has worked out that overall it'll be cheaper. I've no experience of NTL's quality of service over the digital TV side of things, and until the competition is opened up for line rental in the coming months, BT want to charge £10.50/month for that, and despite there being an old socket in an upstairs bedroom, BT wanted to charge nearly £100 for putting one in downstairs when they reconnect. Occasionally BT have cheap "reconnect to BT" offers, and when I did it 5.5 years ago I only paid £10 for the whole thing, plus the usual line rental of course. All opinions welcome. TIA, -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk (editor), /* 968 DVDs, 283 games, 33 videos, 81 cinema films, 70 CDs, laserdiscs & news /* love actually, monster, spy hunter 2, james bond: everything or nothing Fight back against "PRESS RED": http://dvdfever.co.uk/pressrel/pressred.shtml |
In article [email protected], says...
Occasionally BT have cheap "reconnect to BT" offers, and when I did it 5.5 years ago I only paid £10 for the whole thing, plus the usual line rental of course. Yes,I think this is if the main phone socket/line is already installed and the engineer can connect you up without visiting though. In my case, he had to come in and install a socket (there was one in another room which never got used though and the wire had been taken out anyway) but it must've been a good offer at the time. Thanks to everyone for their input. -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk (editor), /* 968 DVDs, 283 games, 33 videos, 81 cinema films, 70 CDs, laserdiscs & news /* love actually, monster, spy hunter 2, james bond: everything or nothing Fight back against "PRESS RED": http://dvdfever.co.uk/pressrel/pressred.shtml |
In article [email protected], says...
Occasionally BT have cheap "reconnect to BT" offers, and when I did it 5.5 years ago I only paid £10 for the whole thing, plus the usual line rental of course. Yes,I think this is if the main phone socket/line is already installed and the engineer can connect you up without visiting though. In my case, he had to come in and install a socket (there was one in another room which never got used though and the wire had been taken out anyway) but it must've been a good offer at the time. Thanks to everyone for their input. -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk (editor), /* 968 DVDs, 283 games, 33 videos, 81 cinema films, 70 CDs, laserdiscs & news /* love actually, monster, spy hunter 2, james bond: everything or nothing Fight back against "PRESS RED": http://dvdfever.co.uk/pressrel/pressred.shtml |
My sister has the Sky Family Pack and Disney, but no landline (her
12-month minimum subs was completed at a previous address) and just uses her mobile to make calls. However, she's looking to get the equivalent package on NTL and use their phone system for calls to landlines so has worked out that overall it'll be cheaper. I've no experience of NTL's quality of service over the digital TV side of things, and until the competition is opened up for line rental in the coming months, BT want to charge £10.50/month for that, and despite there being an old socket in an upstairs bedroom, BT wanted to charge nearly £100 for putting one in downstairs when they reconnect. Occasionally BT have cheap "reconnect to BT" offers, and when I did it 5.5 years ago I only paid £10 for the whole thing, plus the usual line rental of course. Watch out, if she does not go for one of the free options as NTL have or will be starting to charge by the minute for all calls. So a couple of seconds will be charged as a whole minute, not so bad when calling a landline but very expensive when calling a mobile or internationally. The minimum cost of a daytime call to T-mobile would cost 30p, and mobiles will not be included in the free call packages. They will also charge for bill itemisation, as most people will not have it they will not know why their bills have shot up. Anyway you can always have Onetel (www.onetel.co.uk) on cable lines. |
My sister has the Sky Family Pack and Disney, but no landline (her
12-month minimum subs was completed at a previous address) and just uses her mobile to make calls. However, she's looking to get the equivalent package on NTL and use their phone system for calls to landlines so has worked out that overall it'll be cheaper. I've no experience of NTL's quality of service over the digital TV side of things, and until the competition is opened up for line rental in the coming months, BT want to charge £10.50/month for that, and despite there being an old socket in an upstairs bedroom, BT wanted to charge nearly £100 for putting one in downstairs when they reconnect. Occasionally BT have cheap "reconnect to BT" offers, and when I did it 5.5 years ago I only paid £10 for the whole thing, plus the usual line rental of course. Watch out, if she does not go for one of the free options as NTL have or will be starting to charge by the minute for all calls. So a couple of seconds will be charged as a whole minute, not so bad when calling a landline but very expensive when calling a mobile or internationally. The minimum cost of a daytime call to T-mobile would cost 30p, and mobiles will not be included in the free call packages. They will also charge for bill itemisation, as most people will not have it they will not know why their bills have shot up. Anyway you can always have Onetel (www.onetel.co.uk) on cable lines. |
My thoughts
I have left sky to go to ntl almost a year ago benefits are 1) No red dot (no interactive crap either- player cam pah) 2) Its cheaper BT+ Sky much dearer than NTL for TV and phone 3) Much cheaper if you want PPV footy - only £1.00 a month !!! 4) Bundle in Broadband and you have everthing in one package at a good price 5) customer service ok - but they shrugged shoulders at my windows probs when first set up on BB 6) the channel order can be customised to suit the viewer so as you scan the channels you see the ones you want - much better than sky 7) EPG for listings is poor compared to sky- so you can use the sky box you already have 8) few channels not on ntl - only one I miss is fox news- no nazi news fix for me On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:22:51 -0000, Dom Robinson wrote: My sister has the Sky Family Pack and Disney, but no landline (her 12-month minimum subs was completed at a previous address) and just uses her mobile to make calls. However, she's looking to get the equivalent package on NTL and use their phone system for calls to landlines so has worked out that overall it'll be cheaper. I've no experience of NTL's quality of service over the digital TV side of things, and until the competition is opened up for line rental in the coming months, BT want to charge £10.50/month for that, and despite there being an old socket in an upstairs bedroom, BT wanted to charge nearly £100 for putting one in downstairs when they reconnect. Occasionally BT have cheap "reconnect to BT" offers, and when I did it 5.5 years ago I only paid £10 for the whole thing, plus the usual line rental of course. All opinions welcome. TIA, |
My thoughts
I have left sky to go to ntl almost a year ago benefits are 1) No red dot (no interactive crap either- player cam pah) 2) Its cheaper BT+ Sky much dearer than NTL for TV and phone 3) Much cheaper if you want PPV footy - only £1.00 a month !!! 4) Bundle in Broadband and you have everthing in one package at a good price 5) customer service ok - but they shrugged shoulders at my windows probs when first set up on BB 6) the channel order can be customised to suit the viewer so as you scan the channels you see the ones you want - much better than sky 7) EPG for listings is poor compared to sky- so you can use the sky box you already have 8) few channels not on ntl - only one I miss is fox news- no nazi news fix for me On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:22:51 -0000, Dom Robinson wrote: My sister has the Sky Family Pack and Disney, but no landline (her 12-month minimum subs was completed at a previous address) and just uses her mobile to make calls. However, she's looking to get the equivalent package on NTL and use their phone system for calls to landlines so has worked out that overall it'll be cheaper. I've no experience of NTL's quality of service over the digital TV side of things, and until the competition is opened up for line rental in the coming months, BT want to charge £10.50/month for that, and despite there being an old socket in an upstairs bedroom, BT wanted to charge nearly £100 for putting one in downstairs when they reconnect. Occasionally BT have cheap "reconnect to BT" offers, and when I did it 5.5 years ago I only paid £10 for the whole thing, plus the usual line rental of course. All opinions welcome. TIA, |
In article ,
says... Watch out, if she does not go for one of the free options as NTL have or will be starting to charge by the minute for all calls. So a couple of seconds will be charged as a whole minute, not so bad when calling a landline but very expensive when calling a mobile or internationally. The minimum cost of a daytime call to T-mobile would cost 30p, and mobiles will not be included in the free call packages. They will also charge for bill itemisation, as most people will not have it they will not know why their bills have shot up. Thanks for the tip. She's planning to use it only for landlines, and when it comes to mobiles most of her friends are on the same network so it's relatively cheap/free at certain times. -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk (editor), /* 968 DVDs, 283 games, 33 videos, 81 cinema films, 70 CDs, laserdiscs & news /* love actually, monster, spy hunter 2, james bond: everything or nothing Fight back against "PRESS RED": http://dvdfever.co.uk/pressrel/pressred.shtml |
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TIA, YW JPG JPG, thanks for putting me in the "picture" :) -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk (editor), /* 968 DVDs, 283 games, 33 videos, 81 cinema films, 70 CDs, laserdiscs & news /* love actually, monster, spy hunter 2, james bond: everything or nothing Fight back against "PRESS RED": http://dvdfever.co.uk/pressrel/pressred.shtml |
In article , says...
TIA, YW JPG JPG, thanks for putting me in the "picture" :) -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk (editor), /* 968 DVDs, 283 games, 33 videos, 81 cinema films, 70 CDs, laserdiscs & news /* love actually, monster, spy hunter 2, james bond: everything or nothing Fight back against "PRESS RED": http://dvdfever.co.uk/pressrel/pressred.shtml |
"deano" wrote in message ... My thoughts I have left sky to go to ntl almost a year ago benefits are 1) No red dot (no interactive crap either- player cam pah) 2) Its cheaper BT+ Sky much dearer than NTL for TV and phone Not sure why you think that it is MUCH cheaper - not according to my calculations (assuming you use OneTel or the like for all your calls, and only pay BT for the line). I am on the Family pack with NTL, and comparing that with BT + Sky seem very much the same as far as price is concerned. BTW, I am on my way in the other direction due to a house move to an area not covered by NTL, so may still live to regret my comments... 3) Much cheaper if you want PPV footy - only £1.00 a month !!! 4) Bundle in Broadband and you have everthing in one package at a good price 5) customer service ok - but they shrugged shoulders at my windows probs when first set up on BB 6) the channel order can be customised to suit the viewer so as you scan the channels you see the ones you want - much better than sky 7) EPG for listings is poor compared to sky- so you can use the sky box you already have 8) few channels not on ntl - only one I miss is fox news- no nazi news fix for me On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:22:51 -0000, Dom Robinson wrote: My sister has the Sky Family Pack and Disney, but no landline (her 12-month minimum subs was completed at a previous address) and just uses her mobile to make calls. However, she's looking to get the equivalent package on NTL and use their phone system for calls to landlines so has worked out that overall it'll be cheaper. I've no experience of NTL's quality of service over the digital TV side of things, and until the competition is opened up for line rental in the coming months, BT want to charge £10.50/month for that, and despite there being an old socket in an upstairs bedroom, BT wanted to charge nearly £100 for putting one in downstairs when they reconnect. Occasionally BT have cheap "reconnect to BT" offers, and when I did it 5.5 years ago I only paid £10 for the whole thing, plus the usual line rental of course. All opinions welcome. TIA, |
"deano" wrote in message ... My thoughts I have left sky to go to ntl almost a year ago benefits are 1) No red dot (no interactive crap either- player cam pah) 2) Its cheaper BT+ Sky much dearer than NTL for TV and phone Not sure why you think that it is MUCH cheaper - not according to my calculations (assuming you use OneTel or the like for all your calls, and only pay BT for the line). I am on the Family pack with NTL, and comparing that with BT + Sky seem very much the same as far as price is concerned. BTW, I am on my way in the other direction due to a house move to an area not covered by NTL, so may still live to regret my comments... 3) Much cheaper if you want PPV footy - only £1.00 a month !!! 4) Bundle in Broadband and you have everthing in one package at a good price 5) customer service ok - but they shrugged shoulders at my windows probs when first set up on BB 6) the channel order can be customised to suit the viewer so as you scan the channels you see the ones you want - much better than sky 7) EPG for listings is poor compared to sky- so you can use the sky box you already have 8) few channels not on ntl - only one I miss is fox news- no nazi news fix for me On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:22:51 -0000, Dom Robinson wrote: My sister has the Sky Family Pack and Disney, but no landline (her 12-month minimum subs was completed at a previous address) and just uses her mobile to make calls. However, she's looking to get the equivalent package on NTL and use their phone system for calls to landlines so has worked out that overall it'll be cheaper. I've no experience of NTL's quality of service over the digital TV side of things, and until the competition is opened up for line rental in the coming months, BT want to charge £10.50/month for that, and despite there being an old socket in an upstairs bedroom, BT wanted to charge nearly £100 for putting one in downstairs when they reconnect. Occasionally BT have cheap "reconnect to BT" offers, and when I did it 5.5 years ago I only paid £10 for the whole thing, plus the usual line rental of course. All opinions welcome. TIA, |
Dom Robinson wrote:
|| My sister has the Sky Family Pack and Disney, but no landline (her || 12-month minimum subs was completed at a previous address) and just || uses her mobile to make calls. || || However, she's looking to get the equivalent package on NTL and use || their phone system for calls to landlines so has worked out that || overall it'll be cheaper. || || I've no experience of NTL's quality of service over the digital TV || side of things, and until the competition is opened up for line || rental in the coming months, BT want to charge £10.50/month for || that, and despite there being an old socket in an upstairs bedroom, || BT wanted to charge nearly £100 for putting one in downstairs when || they reconnect. || || Occasionally BT have cheap "reconnect to BT" offers, and when I did || it 5.5 years ago I only paid £10 for the whole thing, plus the usual || line rental of course. || || All opinions welcome. TIA, || -- || || Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co || dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk || (editor), /* 968 DVDs, 283 games, 33 videos, 81 cinema films, 70 || CDs, laserdiscs & news /* love actually, monster, spy hunter 2, || james bond: everything or nothing Fight back against "PRESS RED": || http://dvdfever.co.uk/pressrel/pressred.shtml BT will charge to install an extension, or move a master socket. However, if there is NO socket in the house, perhaps even the wire down the wall is missing, they will have to install a new one under the free reconnection offer (This assumes BT have provided service previously at the address). The engineer would usually ask where you want the master socket. With regards to the TV, your sister will receive a second (third, fourth, fifth) hand box from NTL. |
Dom Robinson wrote:
|| My sister has the Sky Family Pack and Disney, but no landline (her || 12-month minimum subs was completed at a previous address) and just || uses her mobile to make calls. || || However, she's looking to get the equivalent package on NTL and use || their phone system for calls to landlines so has worked out that || overall it'll be cheaper. || || I've no experience of NTL's quality of service over the digital TV || side of things, and until the competition is opened up for line || rental in the coming months, BT want to charge £10.50/month for || that, and despite there being an old socket in an upstairs bedroom, || BT wanted to charge nearly £100 for putting one in downstairs when || they reconnect. || || Occasionally BT have cheap "reconnect to BT" offers, and when I did || it 5.5 years ago I only paid £10 for the whole thing, plus the usual || line rental of course. || || All opinions welcome. TIA, || -- || || Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co || dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk || (editor), /* 968 DVDs, 283 games, 33 videos, 81 cinema films, 70 || CDs, laserdiscs & news /* love actually, monster, spy hunter 2, || james bond: everything or nothing Fight back against "PRESS RED": || http://dvdfever.co.uk/pressrel/pressred.shtml BT will charge to install an extension, or move a master socket. However, if there is NO socket in the house, perhaps even the wire down the wall is missing, they will have to install a new one under the free reconnection offer (This assumes BT have provided service previously at the address). The engineer would usually ask where you want the master socket. With regards to the TV, your sister will receive a second (third, fourth, fifth) hand box from NTL. |
Dom Robinson wrote:
|| || She'll keep the Sky box to one side so if it turns out to be crap || she can go back to that. || -- || Just bear in mind that she will be contractually obliged to keep phone /AND/ TV for 12 months - each service carries a minimum term |
Dom Robinson wrote:
|| || She'll keep the Sky box to one side so if it turns out to be crap || she can go back to that. || -- || Just bear in mind that she will be contractually obliged to keep phone /AND/ TV for 12 months - each service carries a minimum term |
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says... BT will charge to install an extension, or move a master socket. However, if there is NO socket in the house, perhaps even the wire down the wall is missing, they will have to install a new one under the free reconnection offer (This assumes BT have provided service previously at the address). The engineer would usually ask where you want the master socket. They really twist the reconnection offer any way they want to, don't they? I guess I must've had the socket, but no wire to it for some reason, when I had it installed for £10. Perhaps it was a special offer that didn't rip the customer off at the time. Of course, if she didn't spend so much time on the phone... What is it about women that make them need to chatter incessantly about absolutely **** all? Silence is golden. -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk (editor), /* 968 DVDs, 283 games, 33 videos, 81 cinema films, 70 CDs, laserdiscs & news /* love actually, monster, spy hunter 2, james bond: everything or nothing Fight back against "PRESS RED": http://dvdfever.co.uk/pressrel/pressred.shtml |
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says... BT will charge to install an extension, or move a master socket. However, if there is NO socket in the house, perhaps even the wire down the wall is missing, they will have to install a new one under the free reconnection offer (This assumes BT have provided service previously at the address). The engineer would usually ask where you want the master socket. They really twist the reconnection offer any way they want to, don't they? I guess I must've had the socket, but no wire to it for some reason, when I had it installed for £10. Perhaps it was a special offer that didn't rip the customer off at the time. Of course, if she didn't spend so much time on the phone... What is it about women that make them need to chatter incessantly about absolutely **** all? Silence is golden. -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk (editor), /* 968 DVDs, 283 games, 33 videos, 81 cinema films, 70 CDs, laserdiscs & news /* love actually, monster, spy hunter 2, james bond: everything or nothing Fight back against "PRESS RED": http://dvdfever.co.uk/pressrel/pressred.shtml |
Dom Robinson wrote:
|| They really twist the reconnection offer any way they want to, don't || they? || How so? If the wiring's intact, they re-activate it FOC, if any wiring needs repairing, or replacing, this is also done FOC. If, on the other hand, a customer wants something moving, or something in addition to the original wiring, then a charge is made. || Of course, if she didn't spend so much time on the phone... || || What is it about women that make them need to chatter incessantly || about absolutely **** all? Silence is golden. Perhaps the same thing that draws others to newsgroups ;-) |
Dom Robinson wrote:
|| They really twist the reconnection offer any way they want to, don't || they? || How so? If the wiring's intact, they re-activate it FOC, if any wiring needs repairing, or replacing, this is also done FOC. If, on the other hand, a customer wants something moving, or something in addition to the original wiring, then a charge is made. || Of course, if she didn't spend so much time on the phone... || || What is it about women that make them need to chatter incessantly || about absolutely **** all? Silence is golden. Perhaps the same thing that draws others to newsgroups ;-) |
Dom Robinson wrote:
|| My sister has a socket still in an upstairs bedroom, not that it's || in use or connected to BT any more. However, whether a new master || socket can be installed downstairs for free is down to whether || there's still a cable going to the house from the pole. || || If there isn't, then it's all free. If there is, even though this || means less work overall, then they'll charge £100 for the privilidge || of a new socket. If any part of the wiring is missing, then it is repaired FOC: pole to wall eye; wall eye to entry point; entry point to socket. Why not just remove the socket upstairs and make sure the wire doesn't enter the property? |
Dom Robinson wrote:
|| My sister has a socket still in an upstairs bedroom, not that it's || in use or connected to BT any more. However, whether a new master || socket can be installed downstairs for free is down to whether || there's still a cable going to the house from the pole. || || If there isn't, then it's all free. If there is, even though this || means less work overall, then they'll charge £100 for the privilidge || of a new socket. If any part of the wiring is missing, then it is repaired FOC: pole to wall eye; wall eye to entry point; entry point to socket. Why not just remove the socket upstairs and make sure the wire doesn't enter the property? |
On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 21:52:11 -0000, "Individual.NET"
wrote: Ok- done the calcs its £5 a month cheaper on NTL compared with sky/bt £60 a year in my pocket not in rupes. Add in BB at £25 on ntl cf Bt's which was £27 when I subscribed (and really BTyahoo is the comparable package so another £5 a month Total savings £120 QED as my math teacher used to say Deano --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKY sky world =£40 Prem plus on sky = £25 (£2.00 a month-must be paid up front) BTtogether = 11.50 TOTAL = £53.50 NTL Family pack sport and movies = 47.50 Prem plus= £1.00 line rental= 0 Total = £48.50 "deano" wrote in message .. . My thoughts I have left sky to go to ntl almost a year ago benefits are 1) No red dot (no interactive crap either- player cam pah) 2) Its cheaper BT+ Sky much dearer than NTL for TV and phone Not sure why you think that it is MUCH cheaper - not according to my calculations (assuming you use OneTel or the like for all your calls, and only pay BT for the line). I am on the Family pack with NTL, and comparing that with BT + Sky seem very much the same as far as price is concerned. BTW, I am on my way in the other direction due to a house move to an area not covered by NTL, so may still live to regret my comments... 3) Much cheaper if you want PPV footy - only £1.00 a month !!! 4) Bundle in Broadband and you have everthing in one package at a good price 5) customer service ok - but they shrugged shoulders at my windows probs when first set up on BB 6) the channel order can be customised to suit the viewer so as you scan the channels you see the ones you want - much better than sky 7) EPG for listings is poor compared to sky- so you can use the sky box you already have 8) few channels not on ntl - only one I miss is fox news- no nazi news fix for me On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:22:51 -0000, Dom Robinson wrote: My sister has the Sky Family Pack and Disney, but no landline (her 12-month minimum subs was completed at a previous address) and just uses her mobile to make calls. However, she's looking to get the equivalent package on NTL and use their phone system for calls to landlines so has worked out that overall it'll be cheaper. I've no experience of NTL's quality of service over the digital TV side of things, and until the competition is opened up for line rental in the coming months, BT want to charge £10.50/month for that, and despite there being an old socket in an upstairs bedroom, BT wanted to charge nearly £100 for putting one in downstairs when they reconnect. Occasionally BT have cheap "reconnect to BT" offers, and when I did it 5.5 years ago I only paid £10 for the whole thing, plus the usual line rental of course. All opinions welcome. TIA, |
On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 21:52:11 -0000, "Individual.NET"
wrote: Ok- done the calcs its £5 a month cheaper on NTL compared with sky/bt £60 a year in my pocket not in rupes. Add in BB at £25 on ntl cf Bt's which was £27 when I subscribed (and really BTyahoo is the comparable package so another £5 a month Total savings £120 QED as my math teacher used to say Deano --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKY sky world =£40 Prem plus on sky = £25 (£2.00 a month-must be paid up front) BTtogether = 11.50 TOTAL = £53.50 NTL Family pack sport and movies = 47.50 Prem plus= £1.00 line rental= 0 Total = £48.50 "deano" wrote in message .. . My thoughts I have left sky to go to ntl almost a year ago benefits are 1) No red dot (no interactive crap either- player cam pah) 2) Its cheaper BT+ Sky much dearer than NTL for TV and phone Not sure why you think that it is MUCH cheaper - not according to my calculations (assuming you use OneTel or the like for all your calls, and only pay BT for the line). I am on the Family pack with NTL, and comparing that with BT + Sky seem very much the same as far as price is concerned. BTW, I am on my way in the other direction due to a house move to an area not covered by NTL, so may still live to regret my comments... 3) Much cheaper if you want PPV footy - only £1.00 a month !!! 4) Bundle in Broadband and you have everthing in one package at a good price 5) customer service ok - but they shrugged shoulders at my windows probs when first set up on BB 6) the channel order can be customised to suit the viewer so as you scan the channels you see the ones you want - much better than sky 7) EPG for listings is poor compared to sky- so you can use the sky box you already have 8) few channels not on ntl - only one I miss is fox news- no nazi news fix for me On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:22:51 -0000, Dom Robinson wrote: My sister has the Sky Family Pack and Disney, but no landline (her 12-month minimum subs was completed at a previous address) and just uses her mobile to make calls. However, she's looking to get the equivalent package on NTL and use their phone system for calls to landlines so has worked out that overall it'll be cheaper. I've no experience of NTL's quality of service over the digital TV side of things, and until the competition is opened up for line rental in the coming months, BT want to charge £10.50/month for that, and despite there being an old socket in an upstairs bedroom, BT wanted to charge nearly £100 for putting one in downstairs when they reconnect. Occasionally BT have cheap "reconnect to BT" offers, and when I did it 5.5 years ago I only paid £10 for the whole thing, plus the usual line rental of course. All opinions welcome. TIA, |
"deano" wrote in message ... On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 21:52:11 -0000, "Individual.NET" wrote: Ok- done the calcs its £5 a month cheaper on NTL compared with sky/bt £60 a year in my pocket not in rupes. Add in BB at £25 on ntl cf Bt's which was £27 when I subscribed (and really BTyahoo is the comparable package so another £5 a month Total savings £120 QED as my math teacher used to say Deano -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- SKY sky world =£40 Prem plus on sky = £25 (£2.00 a month-must be paid up front) BTtogether = 11.50 TOTAL = £53.50 NTL Family pack sport and movies = 47.50 Prem plus= £1.00 line rental= 0 Total = £48.50 Right, I am after a different package: SKY Family pack = £19.50 BT Line = £9.50 BB (various for 512KBps) = ~£25 TOTAL = £54 NTL Family pack = £28 Itemized billing = £1 BB (600k) = £24.99 Total = £53.99 .... and considering that as far I understand it you 1) get many more channels on Sky; and 2) you get interactive that actually works, well the Sky deal for me looks better. |
"deano" wrote in message ... On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 21:52:11 -0000, "Individual.NET" wrote: Ok- done the calcs its £5 a month cheaper on NTL compared with sky/bt £60 a year in my pocket not in rupes. Add in BB at £25 on ntl cf Bt's which was £27 when I subscribed (and really BTyahoo is the comparable package so another £5 a month Total savings £120 QED as my math teacher used to say Deano -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- SKY sky world =£40 Prem plus on sky = £25 (£2.00 a month-must be paid up front) BTtogether = 11.50 TOTAL = £53.50 NTL Family pack sport and movies = 47.50 Prem plus= £1.00 line rental= 0 Total = £48.50 Right, I am after a different package: SKY Family pack = £19.50 BT Line = £9.50 BB (various for 512KBps) = ~£25 TOTAL = £54 NTL Family pack = £28 Itemized billing = £1 BB (600k) = £24.99 Total = £53.99 .... and considering that as far I understand it you 1) get many more channels on Sky; and 2) you get interactive that actually works, well the Sky deal for me looks better. |
"deano" wrote in message ... On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 21:52:11 -0000, "Individual.NET" wrote: Ok- done the calcs its £5 a month cheaper on NTL compared with sky/bt £60 a year in my pocket not in rupes. Add in BB at £25 on ntl cf Bt's which was £27 when I subscribed (and really BTyahoo is the comparable package so another £5 a month Total savings £120 Pipex is cheaper than NTL (and more reliable) I'd been with NTL world in the past when BB was via the STB but quit when quitting the TV service and E-Mail worked on and off back then. When I returned to NTL to save cash on phone and broadband,I thought they may have improved but since found it most unreliable :-( A pity really that Pipex can't be used on NTL phonelines,I found connection faster and more reliable. The NTL sales people say *It's a 5 star system* They did'nt say whether they was good or bad stars tho' :-/ I can't fault the actual phone service though,Tv choice is'nt great (although it almost saves on heating alone the way those STB's run so hot! |
"deano" wrote in message ... On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 21:52:11 -0000, "Individual.NET" wrote: Ok- done the calcs its £5 a month cheaper on NTL compared with sky/bt £60 a year in my pocket not in rupes. Add in BB at £25 on ntl cf Bt's which was £27 when I subscribed (and really BTyahoo is the comparable package so another £5 a month Total savings £120 Pipex is cheaper than NTL (and more reliable) I'd been with NTL world in the past when BB was via the STB but quit when quitting the TV service and E-Mail worked on and off back then. When I returned to NTL to save cash on phone and broadband,I thought they may have improved but since found it most unreliable :-( A pity really that Pipex can't be used on NTL phonelines,I found connection faster and more reliable. The NTL sales people say *It's a 5 star system* They did'nt say whether they was good or bad stars tho' :-/ I can't fault the actual phone service though,Tv choice is'nt great (although it almost saves on heating alone the way those STB's run so hot! |
SKY sky world =£40 Prem plus on sky = £25 (£2.00 a month-must be paid up front) BTtogether = 11.50 TOTAL = £53.50 NTL Family pack sport and movies = 47.50 Prem plus= £1.00 line rental= 0 Total = £48.50 Right, I am after a different package: SKY Family pack = £19.50 BT Line = £9.50 BB (various for 512KBps) = ~£25 TOTAL = £54 NTL Family pack = £28 Itemized billing = £1 BB (600k) = £24.99 Total = £53.99 ... and considering that as far I understand it you 1) get many more channels on Sky; and 2) you get interactive that actually works, well the Sky deal for me looks better. And who actually uses interactive?? Those *loads more channels on Sky* usually involve shopping channels so really a false price :-( You also missed out free 12 months TV channels if you subscribe to telephone and BB service. I think they're only freeview type bundle of channels though,Did'nt take much notice of the leaflet I got through the post. My only gripe with NTL is the really unreliable mail server,Very rarely working these days. |
SKY sky world =£40 Prem plus on sky = £25 (£2.00 a month-must be paid up front) BTtogether = 11.50 TOTAL = £53.50 NTL Family pack sport and movies = 47.50 Prem plus= £1.00 line rental= 0 Total = £48.50 Right, I am after a different package: SKY Family pack = £19.50 BT Line = £9.50 BB (various for 512KBps) = ~£25 TOTAL = £54 NTL Family pack = £28 Itemized billing = £1 BB (600k) = £24.99 Total = £53.99 ... and considering that as far I understand it you 1) get many more channels on Sky; and 2) you get interactive that actually works, well the Sky deal for me looks better. And who actually uses interactive?? Those *loads more channels on Sky* usually involve shopping channels so really a false price :-( You also missed out free 12 months TV channels if you subscribe to telephone and BB service. I think they're only freeview type bundle of channels though,Did'nt take much notice of the leaflet I got through the post. My only gripe with NTL is the really unreliable mail server,Very rarely working these days. |
deano writes:
SKY sky world =£40 Prem plus on sky = £25 (£2.00 a month-must be paid up front) BTtogether = 11.50 TOTAL = £53.50 NTL Family pack sport and movies = 47.50 Prem plus= £1.00 line rental= 0 Total = £48.50 1. You can reduce the SKY + BT price by £2 by switching line rental from "BT Together" (£11.50) to "BT Standard" (£9.50 per month) (*) 2. If you have a BT line, you can register with www.call18866.co.uk (for free) and then all your local and national calls are just 1p/min + 1p connection charge. So, this is how a 20 minute call compares: Mon-Fri Mon-Fri Weekend 8am-6pm other NTL 66p 46p 26p 18866 21p 21p 21p Geoff (*) BT have recently announced they will be scrapping "BT Standard" in July 2004, but there will be a new cheaper "BT Together Option 1" at £10.50 per month. |
deano writes:
SKY sky world =£40 Prem plus on sky = £25 (£2.00 a month-must be paid up front) BTtogether = 11.50 TOTAL = £53.50 NTL Family pack sport and movies = 47.50 Prem plus= £1.00 line rental= 0 Total = £48.50 1. You can reduce the SKY + BT price by £2 by switching line rental from "BT Together" (£11.50) to "BT Standard" (£9.50 per month) (*) 2. If you have a BT line, you can register with www.call18866.co.uk (for free) and then all your local and national calls are just 1p/min + 1p connection charge. So, this is how a 20 minute call compares: Mon-Fri Mon-Fri Weekend 8am-6pm other NTL 66p 46p 26p 18866 21p 21p 21p Geoff (*) BT have recently announced they will be scrapping "BT Standard" in July 2004, but there will be a new cheaper "BT Together Option 1" at £10.50 per month. |
"Jono" wrote in message ... Dom Robinson wrote: || My sister has a socket still in an upstairs bedroom, not that it's || in use or connected to BT any more. However, whether a new master || socket can be installed downstairs for free is down to whether || there's still a cable going to the house from the pole. || || If there isn't, then it's all free. If there is, even though this || means less work overall, then they'll charge £100 for the privilidge || of a new socket. If any part of the wiring is missing, then it is repaired FOC: pole to wall eye; wall eye to entry point; entry point to socket. Why not just remove the socket upstairs and make sure the wire doesn't enter the property? About 3 years ago I had a massive argument with BT which ended in me cancelling my line, being the kind of person I am and he mood I was in, I insisted they even remove the wire from the telegraph pole to my house! (I know, buts how much they wound me up!). Any way after many arguments they did remove the wire to my house. So i was left with no BT sockets wires etc in my property. About 18 months ago I wanted to go on broadband and my local cable company (Telewest) could not offer this down my street. They only option I had was BT !!!!! I telephoned them and said I wanted to be re-connected so I could get broadband, I said I would not be using it for calls....quess what she said I could re-conect for free. And they did re-wired from the pole to a new master socket for free! I the signed up with Broadband (not BT though!). I now pay £10 a month just for the box. |
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