My sister has the Sky Family Pack and Disney, but no landline (her
12-month
minimum subs was completed at a previous address) and just uses her mobile
to
make calls.

However, she's looking to get the equivalent package on NTL and use their
phone system for calls to landlines so has worked out that overall it'll
be
cheaper.

I've no experience of NTL's quality of service over the digital TV side of
things, and until the competition is opened up for line rental in the
coming
months, BT want to charge £10.50/month for that, and despite there being
an
old socket in an upstairs bedroom, BT wanted to charge nearly £100 for
putting
one in downstairs when they reconnect.

Occasionally BT have cheap "reconnect to BT" offers, and when I did it 5.5
years ago I only paid £10 for the whole thing, plus the usual line rental
of
course.


Watch out, if she does not go for one of the free options as NTL have or
will be starting to charge by the minute for all calls. So a couple of
seconds will be charged as a whole minute, not so bad when calling a
landline but very expensive when calling a mobile or internationally. The
minimum cost of a daytime call to T-mobile would cost 30p, and mobiles will
not be included in the free call packages. They will also charge for bill
itemisation, as most people will not have it they will not know why their
bills have shot up.

Anyway you can always have Onetel (www.onetel.co.uk) on cable lines.

My thoughts

I have left sky to go to ntl almost a year ago

benefits are

1) No red dot (no interactive crap either- player cam pah)
2) Its cheaper BT+ Sky much dearer than NTL for TV and phone
3) Much cheaper if you want PPV footy - only £1.00 a month !!!
4) Bundle in Broadband and you have everthing in one package at a good
price
5) customer service ok - but they shrugged shoulders at my windows
probs when first set up on BB
6) the channel order can be customised to suit the viewer so as you
scan the channels you see the ones you want - much better than sky
7) EPG for listings is poor compared to sky- so you can use the sky
box you already have
8) few channels not on ntl - only one I miss is fox news- no nazi news
fix for me



On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:22:51 -0000, Dom Robinson
wrote:

My sister has the Sky Family Pack and Disney, but no landline (her 12-month
minimum subs was completed at a previous address) and just uses her mobile to
make calls.

However, she's looking to get the equivalent package on NTL and use their
phone system for calls to landlines so has worked out that overall it'll be
cheaper.

I've no experience of NTL's quality of service over the digital TV side of
things, and until the competition is opened up for line rental in the coming
months, BT want to charge £10.50/month for that, and despite there being an
old socket in an upstairs bedroom, BT wanted to charge nearly £100 for putting
one in downstairs when they reconnect.

Occasionally BT have cheap "reconnect to BT" offers, and when I did it 5.5
years ago I only paid £10 for the whole thing, plus the usual line rental of
course.

All opinions welcome. TIA,

My thoughts

I have left sky to go to ntl almost a year ago

benefits are

1) No red dot (no interactive crap either- player cam pah)
2) Its cheaper BT+ Sky much dearer than NTL for TV and phone
3) Much cheaper if you want PPV footy - only £1.00 a month !!!
4) Bundle in Broadband and you have everthing in one package at a good
price
5) customer service ok - but they shrugged shoulders at my windows
probs when first set up on BB
6) the channel order can be customised to suit the viewer so as you
scan the channels you see the ones you want - much better than sky
7) EPG for listings is poor compared to sky- so you can use the sky
box you already have
8) few channels not on ntl - only one I miss is fox news- no nazi news
fix for me



On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:22:51 -0000, Dom Robinson
wrote:

My sister has the Sky Family Pack and Disney, but no landline (her 12-month
minimum subs was completed at a previous address) and just uses her mobile to
make calls.

However, she's looking to get the equivalent package on NTL and use their
phone system for calls to landlines so has worked out that overall it'll be
cheaper.

I've no experience of NTL's quality of service over the digital TV side of
things, and until the competition is opened up for line rental in the coming
months, BT want to charge £10.50/month for that, and despite there being an
old socket in an upstairs bedroom, BT wanted to charge nearly £100 for putting
one in downstairs when they reconnect.

Occasionally BT have cheap "reconnect to BT" offers, and when I did it 5.5
years ago I only paid £10 for the whole thing, plus the usual line rental of
course.

All opinions welcome. TIA,

In article ,
says...
Watch out, if she does not go for one of the free options as NTL have or
will be starting to charge by the minute for all calls. So a couple of
seconds will be charged as a whole minute, not so bad when calling a
landline but very expensive when calling a mobile or internationally. The
minimum cost of a daytime call to T-mobile would cost 30p, and mobiles will
not be included in the free call packages. They will also charge for bill
itemisation, as most people will not have it they will not know why their
bills have shot up.

Thanks for the tip. She's planning to use it only for landlines, and when it
comes to mobiles most of her friends are on the same network so it's
relatively cheap/free at certain times.
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In article ,
says...
Watch out, if she does not go for one of the free options as NTL have or
will be starting to charge by the minute for all calls. So a couple of
seconds will be charged as a whole minute, not so bad when calling a
landline but very expensive when calling a mobile or internationally. The
minimum cost of a daytime call to T-mobile would cost 30p, and mobiles will
not be included in the free call packages. They will also charge for bill
itemisation, as most people will not have it they will not know why their
bills have shot up.

Thanks for the tip. She's planning to use it only for landlines, and when it
comes to mobiles most of her friends are on the same network so it's
relatively cheap/free at certain times.
--

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In article , says...
TIA,

YW

JPG

JPG, thanks for putting me in the "picture" :)
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In article , says...
TIA,

YW

JPG

JPG, thanks for putting me in the "picture" :)
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"deano" wrote in message
...
My thoughts

I have left sky to go to ntl almost a year ago

benefits are

1) No red dot (no interactive crap either- player cam pah)
2) Its cheaper BT+ Sky much dearer than NTL for TV and phone

Not sure why you think that it is MUCH cheaper - not according to my
calculations (assuming you use OneTel or the like for all your calls, and
only pay BT for the line). I am on the Family pack with NTL, and comparing
that with BT + Sky seem very much the same as far as price is concerned.

BTW, I am on my way in the other direction due to a house move to an area
not covered by NTL, so may still live to regret my comments...


3) Much cheaper if you want PPV footy - only £1.00 a month !!!
4) Bundle in Broadband and you have everthing in one package at a good
price
5) customer service ok - but they shrugged shoulders at my windows
probs when first set up on BB
6) the channel order can be customised to suit the viewer so as you
scan the channels you see the ones you want - much better than sky
7) EPG for listings is poor compared to sky- so you can use the sky
box you already have
8) few channels not on ntl - only one I miss is fox news- no nazi news
fix for me



On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:22:51 -0000, Dom Robinson
wrote:

My sister has the Sky Family Pack and Disney, but no landline (her
12-month
minimum subs was completed at a previous address) and just uses her
mobile to
make calls.

However, she's looking to get the equivalent package on NTL and use their
phone system for calls to landlines so has worked out that overall it'll
be
cheaper.

I've no experience of NTL's quality of service over the digital TV side
of
things, and until the competition is opened up for line rental in the
coming
months, BT want to charge £10.50/month for that, and despite there being
an
old socket in an upstairs bedroom, BT wanted to charge nearly £100 for
putting
one in downstairs when they reconnect.

Occasionally BT have cheap "reconnect to BT" offers, and when I did it
5.5
years ago I only paid £10 for the whole thing, plus the usual line rental
of
course.

All opinions welcome. TIA,

"deano" wrote in message
...
My thoughts

I have left sky to go to ntl almost a year ago

benefits are

1) No red dot (no interactive crap either- player cam pah)
2) Its cheaper BT+ Sky much dearer than NTL for TV and phone

Not sure why you think that it is MUCH cheaper - not according to my
calculations (assuming you use OneTel or the like for all your calls, and
only pay BT for the line). I am on the Family pack with NTL, and comparing
that with BT + Sky seem very much the same as far as price is concerned.

BTW, I am on my way in the other direction due to a house move to an area
not covered by NTL, so may still live to regret my comments...


3) Much cheaper if you want PPV footy - only £1.00 a month !!!
4) Bundle in Broadband and you have everthing in one package at a good
price
5) customer service ok - but they shrugged shoulders at my windows
probs when first set up on BB
6) the channel order can be customised to suit the viewer so as you
scan the channels you see the ones you want - much better than sky
7) EPG for listings is poor compared to sky- so you can use the sky
box you already have
8) few channels not on ntl - only one I miss is fox news- no nazi news
fix for me



On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:22:51 -0000, Dom Robinson
wrote:

My sister has the Sky Family Pack and Disney, but no landline (her
12-month
minimum subs was completed at a previous address) and just uses her
mobile to
make calls.

However, she's looking to get the equivalent package on NTL and use their
phone system for calls to landlines so has worked out that overall it'll
be
cheaper.

I've no experience of NTL's quality of service over the digital TV side
of
things, and until the competition is opened up for line rental in the
coming
months, BT want to charge £10.50/month for that, and despite there being
an
old socket in an upstairs bedroom, BT wanted to charge nearly £100 for
putting
one in downstairs when they reconnect.

Occasionally BT have cheap "reconnect to BT" offers, and when I did it
5.5
years ago I only paid £10 for the whole thing, plus the usual line rental
of
course.

All opinions welcome. TIA,

Dom Robinson wrote:
|| My sister has the Sky Family Pack and Disney, but no landline (her
|| 12-month minimum subs was completed at a previous address) and just
|| uses her mobile to make calls.
||
|| However, she's looking to get the equivalent package on NTL and use
|| their phone system for calls to landlines so has worked out that
|| overall it'll be cheaper.
||
|| I've no experience of NTL's quality of service over the digital TV
|| side of things, and until the competition is opened up for line
|| rental in the coming months, BT want to charge £10.50/month for
|| that, and despite there being an old socket in an upstairs bedroom,
|| BT wanted to charge nearly £100 for putting one in downstairs when
|| they reconnect.
||
|| Occasionally BT have cheap "reconnect to BT" offers, and when I did
|| it 5.5 years ago I only paid £10 for the whole thing, plus the usual
|| line rental of course.
||
|| All opinions welcome. TIA,
|| --
||
|| Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co
|| dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk
|| (editor), /* 968 DVDs, 283 games, 33 videos, 81 cinema films, 70
|| CDs, laserdiscs & news /* love actually, monster, spy hunter 2,
|| james bond: everything or nothing Fight back against "PRESS RED":
|| http://dvdfever.co.uk/pressrel/pressred.shtml

BT will charge to install an extension, or move a master socket. However, if
there is NO socket in the house, perhaps even the wire down the wall is
missing, they will have to install a new one under the free reconnection
offer (This assumes BT have provided service previously at the address). The
engineer would usually ask where you want the master socket.

With regards to the TV, your sister will receive a second (third, fourth,
fifth) hand box from NTL.