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Gone Not January 30th 04 07:54 PM

FTV card ends Jan?
 


My wife's husband works for the free2view service and he has been told that
the replacement card service ends 31st January but a new card on line
service will begin within 2 weeks for new customers and the cards will cost
£45.50. The subsided cards £23.50 were only for people who had already old
P1 cards.


"Nigel F" wrote in message
...
The website at www.free2view.tv says that you can renew a card only up
to 31 Jan 04 - ie tomorrow!! Does that mean you can't order a new one
after that date?




Jomtien January 31st 04 07:53 AM

Gone Not wrote:

My wife's husband works for the free2view service and he has been told that
the replacement card service ends 31st January but a new card on line
service will begin within 2 weeks for new customers and the cards will cost
£45.50.


Good grief. At £23.50 the cards were already seriously overpriced.
They must cost all of £5 to make and despatch.


The subsided cards £23.50 were only for people who had already old
P1 cards.


They were also issuing them to anyone who wanted one, regardless of
whether they had an old card or not.

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----
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No monies return'd. ;-)

Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics) January 31st 04 10:02 AM

In article , Jomtien
wrote:


Good grief. At £23.50 the cards were already seriously overpriced.
They must cost all of £5 to make and despatch.


The Sky rep tells me that the raw cost of a card is around a tenner. Then
with call centre and distribution costs, it is more like twenty. Then there
is VAT. So it seems that there is no profit margin at the current price.

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Mark Carver January 31st 04 10:47 AM

Gone Not wrote:
My wife's husband works for the free2view service and he has been
told that the replacement card service ends 31st January but a new
card on line service will begin within 2 weeks for new customers and
the cards will cost £45.50.


Ha ! Almost the same price as some Freeview DTT boxes, (not much
help for the 25-30% of the UK out of DTT range of course).



Mike GW8IJT January 31st 04 02:24 PM

"Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)" wrote in message
...
In article , Jomtien
wrote:


Good grief. At £23.50 the cards were already seriously overpriced.
They must cost all of £5 to make and despatch.


The Sky rep tells me that the raw cost of a card is around a tenner. Then
with call centre and distribution costs, it is more like twenty. Then there
is VAT. So it seems that there is no profit margin at the current price.

--
AJL Electronics (G6FGO) Ltd : Satellite and TV aerial systems
http://www.classicmicrocars.co.uk : http://www.ajlelectronics.co.uk


I don't think that it's worth the bother to get an FTV card at that price.
What Sky want to do is to make people take out a subscription.
Fortunately I live where there is a good signal for Freeview, but it seems
many people live in an area where Freeview simply is not available.
I have both Sky (sub) and Freeview here (and I'm a BBC News 24 addict).
Mike.



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Simon Gardner January 31st 04 04:42 PM

In article ,
"Mike GW8IJT" wrote:

What Sky want to do is to make people take out a subscription.


If $ky or you or OfCom think I'm going to take out 4 subscriptions, they've
got another think coming.



Jomtien February 1st 04 09:23 AM

Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics) wrote:

Good grief. At £23.50 the cards were already seriously overpriced.
They must cost all of £5 to make and despatch.


The Sky rep tells me that the raw cost of a card is around a tenner.


He would. ;-)
A quick comparison with online shops selling wafer cards would suggest
that £10 is very high. Especially when ordered in quantities of 7
million or more.


Then
with call centre and distribution costs, it is more like twenty.


No, I can't see this either. For £25 I can subscribe to a magazine
using a credit card via a call centre and have 12 issues posted to me.
They do not do this at a loss.
To compare this with the entirely automated purchase of a single
viewing card sent out in a single envelope is not reasonable.


Then there
is VAT. So it seems that there is no profit margin at the current price.


I have no doubt at all that there is a significant profit being made
somewhere. Initially by Sky in the cost of the card and subsequently
by the company handling the orders.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/tez5
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Simon Gardner February 1st 04 07:53 PM

In article ,
(Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) wrote:

Or was this some subtle way of (not) saying that YOU work for the
organization?


You may say that. I couldn't possibly.



Claudio Potenza February 6th 04 05:43 PM

"Gone Not" wrote in message ...
My wife's husband works for the free2view service and he has been told that
the replacement card service ends 31st January but a new card on line
service will begin within 2 weeks for new customers and the cards will cost
£45.50. The subsided cards £23.50 were only for people who had already old
P1 cards.


Can this 'relative' of yours tell me the name of some manager
responsible for the free2view service to which I want to send a
written complaint about the service itself?

After more than 1 month since I received the card I have been unable
to have the card working and the call center support has been quite
.... disappointing (to be kind with them!).
And I've been so stupid of NOT stopping the payment through my credit
card...

By looking around on the web I have found out that the service is run
by a company named MGt in Kirkcaldy (Scotland, I could have guessed
this from the accent of the ladies on the phones in my numerous
calls).

From their Web site (www.mgtplc.com) I have also found a couple of
names but they don't seem to be the correct ones to send a complaint.

By the way I have also found the following info
(http://www.mgtplc.com/html/News%20Re...st_success.htm)

"This was emphasised only last month [October 2003], when
MGt secured a two year contract with Channel 4, ITV and
Five which will allow viewers to have continuing access
to what are three of the UK's leading public service
television channels."

So this seems to confirm that they are going to continue the service
at a certain point, and if it is true that they will double the price,
than I am not too surprised that they are not ver keen on solving my
problems...

By the way does anyone knows any useful address for consumer watchdogs
or similar to which I can expose the case.

The £ 23.50 is not a lot of money, but being ripped off some business
service company with a flashy web site is much more irritating than by
some dodgy looking individual selling you an hacked card from the back
pages of a magazine.
(and also 'service' companies should be able to do 'services'
professionally)

Jim Watt February 6th 04 07:37 PM

On 6 Feb 2004 08:43:45 -0800, (Claudio Potenza)
wrote:

Can this 'relative' of yours tell me the name of some manager
responsible for the free2view service to which I want to send a
written complaint about the service itself?

After more than 1 month since I received the card I have been unable
to have the card working and the call center support has been quite
... disappointing (to be kind with them!).
And I've been so stupid of NOT stopping the payment through my credit
card...

By looking around on the web I have found out that the service is run
by a company named MGt in Kirkcaldy (Scotland, I could have guessed
this from the accent of the ladies on the phones in my numerous
calls).

From their Web site (
www.mgtplc.com) I have also found a couple of
names but they don't seem to be the correct ones to send a complaint.

By the way I have also found the following info
(http://www.mgtplc.com/html/News%20Re...st_success.htm)

"This was emphasised only last month [October 2003], when
MGt secured a two year contract with Channel 4, ITV and
Five which will allow viewers to have continuing access
to what are three of the UK's leading public service
television channels."

So this seems to confirm that they are going to continue the service
at a certain point, and if it is true that they will double the price,
than I am not too surprised that they are not ver keen on solving my
problems...

By the way does anyone knows any useful address for consumer watchdogs
or similar to which I can expose the case.

The £ 23.50 is not a lot of money, but being ripped off some business
service company with a flashy web site is much more irritating than by
some dodgy looking individual selling you an hacked card from the back
pages of a magazine.
(and also 'service' companies should be able to do 'services'
professionally)


Well maybe thats why the cards cost 23 quid each

However, if you have bought something on a credit card
and its defective you have SIX MONTHS to claim a refund

However, are you sure the reason you have a problem is that
the card does not work?
--
Jim Watt http://www.gibnet.com


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