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W/S and film titles
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:59:15 -0000, "RobertJM"
wrote: Why, when some/all? widescreen films are on, the opening titles are not in full widescreen then go to widescreen when titles are finished? can't be because titles dont fit the screen because they obviously do. Can you give an example? It's pretty common for films on analogue channels to be shown in letterbox while the opening titles are on, then quickly switch to 4:3, but I've never seen the opposite happen... Charlie -- Remove NO-SPOO-PLEASE from my email address to reply Please send no unsolicited email or foodstuffs |
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RobertJM wrote:
Why, when some/all? widescreen films are on, the opening titles are not in full widescreen then go to widescreen when titles are finished? can't be because titles dont fit the screen because they obviously do. RobertJM The size of the picture is reduced slightly so that those (unfortunate) people watching Sky with the 4:3 centre cut out option don't miss the writing. Sim |
In article , "RobertJM"
wrote: Why, when some/all? widescreen films are on, the opening titles are not in full widescreen then go to widescreen when titles are finished? can't be because titles dont fit the screen because they obviously do. RobertJM This is for the benefit of people with 4x3 televisions who have set their box to fill the TV screenand cut off the sides of the picture (as opposed to letterbox with the whole picture with black bands top and bottom, which a lot of people don't like). Since the full-screen option would clip some of the titles Sky run the opening in reduced size with a frame all round. They will also do this if there are mid-film captions which would be clipped. For people with a widescreen TV it's irritating. interestingly, the BBC don't bother to do this - people using full 4x3 screen just have to put up with it. -- rfwilmut'at'nospam.yahoo.com remove the nospam and alter the 'at' to reply (but you knew that already) |
On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 09:49:35 GMT, Roger Wilmut
wrote: This is for the benefit of people with 4x3 televisions who have set their box to fill the TV screenand cut off the sides of the picture (as opposed to letterbox with the whole picture with black bands top and bottom, which a lot of people don't like). Since the full-screen option would clip some of the titles Sky run the opening in reduced size with a frame all round. They will also do this if there are mid-film captions which would be clipped. For people with a widescreen TV it's irritating. interestingly, the BBC don't bother to do this - people using full 4x3 screen just have to put up with it. Nothing the BBC makes in widescreen is 4:3 safe anyway - you will always have graphics and captions going off the edges of the screen if you watch in fullscreen mode. I didn't know that Sky still reduced the picture size during titles - I remember watching, I think it was Ocean's Eleven on Sky Box Office just after they'd gone widescreen, and noticed that the titles were oddly pillarboxed, yet when the same movie came on the regular Sky movie channels a little while back, the titles remained full widescreen. |
Nothing the BBC makes in widescreen is 4:3 safe anyway
Not true. Most BBC programmes are (annoyingly) 4:3 safe. I think perhaps your TV has too much cut-off. |
Ant wrote:
Nothing the BBC makes in widescreen is 4:3 safe anyway - you will always have graphics and captions going off the edges of the screen if you watch in fullscreen mode. On the contrary, all the graphics and DOGs that I have ever seen on BBC W/S productions are within the 4:3 boundary. They also frame shots so that no important part of the action ever falls outside the 4:3 boundary. The W/S images on BBC productions look nice and have better framing but that's all. I remember watching the minute's silence last November and the framing had some pretty trees in the W/S shot that were missing from the 4:3 shot but the 4:3 shot still had all the people in it. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/tez5 How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/ BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 08:24:48 GMT, Jomtien wrote:
On the contrary, all the graphics and DOGs that I have ever seen on BBC W/S productions are within the 4:3 boundary. Try watching something like The Weakest Link, and tell me it doesn't look odd. |
Ant wrote:
On the contrary, all the graphics and DOGs that I have ever seen on BBC W/S productions are within the 4:3 boundary. Try watching something like The Weakest Link, and tell me it doesn't look odd. Botox does indeed make you look odd. I can't say that there is anything odd about the W/S framing though. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/tez5 How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/ BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
Charlie Pearce wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:22:37 -0000, "simtan" wrote: RobertJM wrote: Why, when some/all? widescreen films are on, the opening titles are not in full widescreen then go to widescreen when titles are finished? can't be because titles dont fit the screen because they obviously do. RobertJM The size of the picture is reduced slightly so that those (unfortunate) people watching Sky with the 4:3 centre cut out option don't miss the writing. You're kidding! If people have deliberately chosen to chop off the sides of 16:9 material, then they should get what's coming to them ;-) Yep - but most people who watch in this format haven't "deliberately" chosen to do this. All Sky - and most Freeview - digital TV receivers are delivered set-up for 4:3 full-frame output (not 16:9 full frame or 16:9 letterbox in 4:3) If they aren't aware of widescreen broadcasting - which they might not be then the chances are they won't know to change to letterbox. So not deliberate - just default.... Much more could be done to educate the wider general public about widescreen and widescreen switching. I'm sure many people are watching Sky Digital in 4:3 stretched to fill a 16:9 TV or Plasma, when they could be watching in 16:9 anamorphic... But then there are also probably lods of people watching via a mono RF connection rather than an RGB Scart.... Steve |
Ant wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 09:49:35 GMT, Roger Wilmut wrote: This is for the benefit of people with 4x3 televisions who have set their box to fill the TV screenand cut off the sides of the picture (as opposed to letterbox with the whole picture with black bands top and bottom, which a lot of people don't like). Since the full-screen option would clip some of the titles Sky run the opening in reduced size with a frame all round. They will also do this if there are mid-film captions which would be clipped. For people with a widescreen TV it's irritating. interestingly, the BBC don't bother to do this - people using full 4x3 screen just have to put up with it. Nothing the BBC makes in widescreen is 4:3 safe anyway - you will always have graphics and captions going off the edges of the screen if you watch in fullscreen mode. This simply isn't the case - almost everything the BBC makes is 4:3 graphics safe (though the action may not be). It is quite a tight 4:3 safe - but in 4:3 full-screen mode only TVs with ludicrous amounts of overscan (aka cut off) should bits of gfx. Mistakes are always going to be made - but the majority of 16:9 stuff on the BBC especially the National News, News 24 etc. is 4:3 graphics safe. Steve |
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 13:44:49 -0000, "Stephen Neal"
wrote: Mistakes are always going to be made - but the majority of 16:9 stuff on the BBC especially the National News, News 24 etc. is 4:3 graphics safe. The new look for News 24 is certainly much better than it used to be. It looks fine in 4:3, unlike previously. |
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 13:42:48 -0000, "Stephen Neal"
wrote: All Sky - and most Freeview - digital TV receivers are delivered set-up for 4:3 full-frame output (not 16:9 full frame or 16:9 letterbox in 4:3) If they aren't aware of widescreen broadcasting - which they might not be then the chances are they won't know to change to letterbox. So not deliberate - just default.... I think a lot depends on the installer. On both occasions (indy for digi, Sky for SK+), I was sent one with a brain, who selected 16:9 and RGB without any prompting... Charlie -- Remove NO-SPOO-PLEASE from my email address to reply Please send no unsolicited email or foodstuffs |
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@mrtickle.demon.co.uk says... Much more could be done to educate the wider general public about widescreen and widescreen switching. Therefore what should happen is that the continuity announcer should say "this programme is in widescreen. To see the whole picture, go into Services... describe how to change it briefly ... for more help, read your manual/check Sky Active/ask a child" before the programme. It seems the BBC can't say "Sky". They always advertise their news channel on "Digital Satellite channel 507" which is stupid. Then again, the BBC think their BBCi service is equivalent in speed to a Formula 1 racing car, so they clearly haven't heard of Ceefax. -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk (editor), /* 961 DVDs, 271 games, 33 videos, 78 cinema films, 70 CDs, laserdiscs & news /* identity, cold mountain, the last samurai, hitcher 2, stuck on you STILL HAPPENING! ITV "blackouts" on Sky Digital - http://tinyurl.com/w4mf Vote for Adam Shaw to host HIGNFY! - http://tinyurl.com/w4m7 |
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:01:20 -0000, Dom Robinson
wrote: It seems the BBC can't say "Sky". I think "won't" is more accurate. In the same way that they always said 'Digital Terrestrial' instead of 'ONdigital'. Oddly they seem to have no worries at all about name-checking Freeview. Wonder why that is. :-) |
Dom Robinson wrote:
It seems the BBC can't say "Sky". They always advertise their news channel on "Digital Satellite channel 507" which is stupid. It isn't stupid at all. Why should they advertise "Sky" when the only thing that BBC sat transmissions have to do with Sky is the EPG? Astra2 does not belong to Sky. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/tez5 How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/ BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
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says... On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:01:20 -0000, Dom Robinson wrote: It seems the BBC can't say "Sky". I think "won't" is more accurate. In the same way that they always said 'Digital Terrestrial' instead of 'ONdigital'. I thought it was "can't" for reasons of advertising, since there'll be plenty of Joe Punters out there who won't equate "Digital Satellite" with "Sky". -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor), http://LeilaniWeb.co.uk (editor), /* 962 DVDs, 272 games, 33 videos, 80 cinema films, 70 CDs, laserdiscs & news /* american pie 3, lost in translation, gladiator sword of vengeance, identity STILL HAPPENING! ITV "blackouts" on Sky Digital - http://tinyurl.com/w4mf Vote for Adam Shaw to host HIGNFY! - http://tinyurl.com/w4m7 |
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