Aargh. New News 21 tablod look
 

Just when you thought nothing could be as crass as the Sun-style $ky News
look, News 21 goes one worse with it's own big-letter all-caps hide-the
actual-picture shouty new look. And the *******s have done it to BBC World,
too.

Simon Gardner wrote:

Just when you thought nothing could be as crass as the Sun-style $ky News
look, News 21 goes one worse with it's own big-letter all-caps hide-the
actual-picture shouty new look. And the *******s have done it to BBC World,
too.



I agree, it's bloody awful.

In article ,
Great Deku Tree wrote:
I agree, it's bloody awful.

For a redesign that was supposed to take News 24 upmarket and make it more
distinctive, it manages to draw it even closer to Sky News. Perhaps they
can timeshare channel 501 with Sky News - no-one would notice the
difference.

Dave
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Simon Gardner wrote in :

Just when you thought nothing could be as crass as the Sun-style $ky
News look, News 21 goes one worse with it's own big-letter all-caps
hide-the actual-picture shouty new look. And the *******s have done it
to BBC World, too.





I certainly let out a massive groan of disapproval when it slapped me in
the face as I turned over.

All it needs now is a permanent "info-ticker" crawling along the bottom and
their journey to the Dark Side will be complete.

I'm asssuming the big red "cross of St. George" stripe going through the
studio is just for today?

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Simon Gardner wrote:

Just when you thought nothing could be as crass as the Sun-style $ky
News look, News 21 goes one worse with it's own big-letter all-caps
hide-the actual-picture shouty new look. And the *******s have done it
to BBC World, too.

Yup. I thought the whole point of the revamp was to make it *less* like
Sky News? That's why it was criticised by the government.

Worse is the new DOG. At least before it was top left and didn't have an
opaque background. Now it's permanently in that ugly huge block on the
bottom left.

Pathetic.

Brett

In article [email protected],
Brett Aaronfield wrote:
Worse is the new DOG. At least before it was top left and didn't have an
opaque background. Now it's permanently in that ugly huge block on the
bottom left.

And it animates too. *SIGH*

While I like the set, the music, and the choice of presenters, the
on-screen identity and tone are more tabloid and closer to Sky News than
ever.

I was expecting a tone closer to Newsnight than Newsround from this
launch...

Dave
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In article [email protected],
(Brett Aaronfield) wrote:

Worse is the new DOG. At least before it was top left and didn't have an
opaque background. Now it's permanently in that ugly huge block on the
bottom left.

Again, they've done the same thing to BBC World.

David Marshall wrote:

In article [email protected],
Brett Aaronfield wrote:
Worse is the new DOG. At least before it was top left and didn't have
an opaque background. Now it's permanently in that ugly huge block on
the bottom left.

And it animates too. *SIGH*

I haven't spotted that yet, but I'll watch out for it.

While I like the set, the music, and the choice of presenters, the
on-screen identity and tone are more tabloid and closer to Sky News
than ever.

I've always preferred BBC News 24 over Sky News, particularly because
they have better presenters, and yes, the music is better. But this is
totally the wrong direction. Couldn't they have kept the banners to be at
least translucent?

I was expecting a tone closer to Newsnight than Newsround from this
launch...

Ditto. As it is, they've just copied the set from the flagship BBC News
programmes, complete with big "Sophie-Raworth-compliant" screen.

Brett

Simon Gardner wrote:

In article [email protected],
(Brett Aaronfield) wrote:

Worse is the new DOG. At least before it was top left and didn't have
an opaque background. Now it's permanently in that ugly huge block on
the bottom left.

Again, they've done the same thing to BBC World.

Is nothing sacred?! I didn't know they were going to change BBC World as
well as News 24. It's not as if BBC World came under fire in the
government report I mentioned earlier.

Brett

"Brett Aaronfield" wrote
Worse is the new DOG. At least before it was top left and didn't have an
opaque background. Now it's permanently in that ugly huge block on the
bottom left.

On the contrary I think the new DOG is an improvement - at least there is
one instead of two. Remember, there was a period when News 24 had a third
DOG advertising the website address.

I also think that the use of on-screen graphics in general are the most
sensible I've seen them to date. Not to mention the funky new music and
studio. Thumbs up from me !

In article ,
Eddie wrote:
I also think that the use of on-screen graphics in general are the most
sensible I've seen them to date.

Too big, too many, too often, too persistent.

Dave
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David Marshall wrote:

In article ,
Eddie wrote:
I also think that the use of on-screen graphics in general are the most
sensible I've seen them to date.

Too big, too many, too often, too persistent.

I agree. It's the reason why I refuse to watch Sky News. Now News 21 has
suffered the same fate.

Brett

"Brett Aaronfield" wrote
Is nothing sacred?! I didn't know they were going to change BBC World as
well as News 24. It's not as if BBC World came under fire in the
government report I mentioned earlier.

As you may know, there are joint bulletins overnight between the two
channels, hence the need to be consistent with graphics and presentation
across both.

In article , says...
In article [email protected],
Brett Aaronfield wrote:
Worse is the new DOG. At least before it was top left and didn't have an
opaque background. Now it's permanently in that ugly huge block on the
bottom left.

And it animates too. *SIGH*

Oh, terrific(!)

On the plus side, it's actually brought the channel logo and clock together,
but on the bad side the "press red" is still in the same place (they could've
linked them together) and the huge red block is the same as they use for
trailers, so it's really disconcerting.
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"Brett Aaronfield" wrote
Worse is the new DOG. At least before it was top left and didn't have an
opaque background. Now it's permanently in that ugly huge block on the
bottom left.

On the contrary I think the new DOG is an improvement - at least there is
one instead of two. Remember, there was a period when News 24 had a third
DOG advertising the website address.

I hope your maths teacher got the sack. There's an additional DOG insisting we
"press red". Whether or not you turn it off, it's still intended to be there,
and it floats in the middle of the screen at the top, instead of being tucked
with the other one.
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Brett Aaronfield wrote:

SNIP

Worse is the new DOG. At least before it was top left and didn't have
an opaque background. Now it's permanently in that ugly huge block on
the bottom left.


The whole thing seems to be news for those with a sub-millisecond
attention span, and an infant-school reading age... :-(

And the new DOG is very annoying - and I'm not someone who is generally
offended by (most) DOG's.

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Here are my views...

I like the new-look studio. The translucent glass behind the desk to the other room is softer,
hence less distracting and more pleasing to the eye.

The News 24 titles and short splashes (I think they are called "stingers") looks exciting and
interesting.

As for the on-screen graphics and worthless junk...... YUCK!

I just saw a report about drink-driving. They were mentioning the relative units of alcohol in a
meaure of Whiskey, wine, ale and lager and discussing how long you should wait for the effects of
each drink to diminish from the body....
I couldn't see which drink they were pointing to as there was a huge 82point bold helvetica type
with the words "DRINK DRIVING"
Absolutely stupid!

Brendan

Brett Aaronfield wrote:
Simon Gardner wrote:

Just when you thought nothing could be as crass as the Sun-style $ky
News look, News 21 goes one worse with it's own big-letter all-caps
hide-the actual-picture shouty new look. And the *******s have done it
to BBC World, too.

Yup. I thought the whole point of the revamp was to make it *less* like
Sky News? That's why it was criticised by the government.

Worse is the new DOG. At least before it was top left and didn't have an
opaque background. Now it's permanently in that ugly huge block on the
bottom left.

Well, as Guto Harri is often wont to say "it`s a bit of a shambles".

mick

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:24:32 -0000, "mick"
wrote:



Brett Aaronfield wrote:
Simon Gardner wrote:

Just when you thought nothing could be as crass as the Sun-style $ky
News look, News 21 goes one worse with it's own big-letter all-caps
hide-the actual-picture shouty new look. And the *******s have done it
to BBC World, too.

Yup. I thought the whole point of the revamp was to make it *less* like
Sky News? That's why it was criticised by the government.

Worse is the new DOG. At least before it was top left and didn't have an
opaque background. Now it's permanently in that ugly huge block on the
bottom left.

Well, as Guto Harri is often wont to say "it`s a bit of a shambles".

mick


Or as Alexi Sale would say "It's a load of ********"...

Simon Gardner wrote:
Just when you thought nothing could be as crass as the Sun-style $ky
News look, News 21 goes one worse with it's own big-letter all-caps
hide-the actual-picture shouty new look. And the *******s have done
it to BBC World, too.

The simple answer is to switch off the TV and pipe the audio through your
stereo and just listen to it. The pictures (what's left of them) add nothing
(except for weather forecast) - and you can get on with other things too...

KotF

In article ,
"KotF" wrote:

The simple answer is to switch off the TV and pipe the audio through your
stereo and just listen to it. The pictures (what's left of them) add nothing
(except for weather forecast) - and you can get on with other things too...

I often have 3 or 4 24-hr news channels on simultaneously (albeit with no
sound). How does your solution work?

"Simon Gardner" [dot]co[dot]uk wrote in message
...
In article ,
"KotF" wrote:

The simple answer is to switch off the TV and pipe the audio through
your
stereo and just listen to it. The pictures (what's left of them) add
nothing
(except for weather forecast) - and you can get on with other things
too...

I often have 3 or 4 24-hr news channels on simultaneously (albeit with no
sound). How does your solution work?



Ah, so you are the audience that N24 is trying to appeal to?

In article , rnet[dot]co
[dot]uk says...
In article ,
"KotF" wrote:

The simple answer is to switch off the TV and pipe the audio through your
stereo and just listen to it. The pictures (what's left of them) add nothing
(except for weather forecast) - and you can get on with other things too...

I often have 3 or 4 24-hr news channels on simultaneously (albeit with no
sound). How does your solution work?

Watch one channel at once? Who do you think you are, Elvis?
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Dom Robinson wrote:

In article , rnet[dot]co
[dot]uk says...
In article ,
"KotF" wrote:

The simple answer is to switch off the TV and pipe the audio through your
stereo and just listen to it. The pictures (what's left of them) add nothing
(except for weather forecast) - and you can get on with other things too...

I often have 3 or 4 24-hr news channels on simultaneously (albeit with no
sound). How does your solution work?

Watch one channel at once? Who do you think you are, Elvis?

Elvis was a news junkie? I had no idea.

In article , rnet[dot]co
[dot]uk says...
In article ,
Dom Robinson wrote:

In article , rnet[dot]co
[dot]uk says...
In article ,
"KotF" wrote:

The simple answer is to switch off the TV and pipe the audio through your
stereo and just listen to it. The pictures (what's left of them) add nothing
(except for weather forecast) - and you can get on with other things too...

I often have 3 or 4 24-hr news channels on simultaneously (albeit with no
sound). How does your solution work?

Watch one channel at once? Who do you think you are, Elvis?

Elvis was a news junkie? I had no idea.

(Whoosh!)
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Dom Robinson wrote:

In article , rnet[dot]co
[dot]uk says...
In article ,
Dom Robinson wrote:

In article , rnet[dot]co
[dot]uk says...
In article ,
"KotF" wrote:

The simple answer is to switch off the TV and pipe the audio through your
stereo and just listen to it. The pictures (what's left of them) add nothing
(except for weather forecast) - and you can get on with other things too...

I often have 3 or 4 24-hr news channels on simultaneously (albeit with no
sound). How does your solution work?

Watch one channel at once? Who do you think you are, Elvis?

Elvis was a news junkie? I had no idea.

(Whoosh!)

So just $ky News, then.

I can vouch for that.

BBC World is available, somewhat, here in the United States. It was on
December 9th we noticed the new change when PBS provided us with the feed.
We are only priviledged to see the program(me) for a half-hour on PBS here
in the US. However, where I live, we have two PBS stations because we have
two major universities nearby (universities often run PBS affiliated
stations).

I noticed that BBC World had a new change when I tuned in (unfortunately,
late that night) at 5:50 PM to see the last minutes of the program(me). It
was all about some football (what we, not I, call soccer here) celebration
in London. I noticed the BBC World ident not in the lower left corner, but
almost jutting out into the center of the screen. It was sort of
leftish-cornerish-centerish screen. Anyway, I miss the old ident where it
was in the top corner of the screen, but it looks like if I want that
European look, I'll have to go with our relayed feed of DW-TV (Deutsche
Welle Germany).

I like the new music, but I don't like the new graphics, and I REALLY don't
like the location of the ident. Too bad, too.

Also, one of our PBS affilliates (KRWG-TV 22 in Las Cruces, NM) have moved
BBC World's time from 10:30 PM to 6:30 PM, just an hour after seeing it on
KCOS-TV (El Paso's PBS 13).

What's REALLY funny is how BBC America is dealing with this change. BBC
America used to fill in BBC World's ident with a solid blue box and replace
it with the BBC America ident (similar to any other BBC ident at the time
but with "America" tacked on to the end). Now, it looks like BBC America
will have to redo their ident! HA HA! Too bad I have cable now instead of
digi-cable or satellite otherwise I'd be able to see it!

Cheers

"Brett Aaronfield" wrote in message
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Simon Gardner wrote:

Just when you thought nothing could be as crass as the Sun-style $ky
News look, News 21 goes one worse with it's own big-letter all-caps
hide-the actual-picture shouty new look. And the *******s have done it
to BBC World, too.

Yup. I thought the whole point of the revamp was to make it *less* like
Sky News? That's why it was criticised by the government.

Worse is the new DOG. At least before it was top left and didn't have an
opaque background. Now it's permanently in that ugly huge block on the
bottom left.

Pathetic.

Brett

Funny how we ALL seem to go seriously off topic.









"Simon Gardner" [dot]co[dot]uk wrote in message
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Dom Robinson wrote:

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rnet[dot]co
[dot]uk says...
In article ,
Dom Robinson wrote:

In article ,
rnet[dot]co
[dot]uk says...
In article ,
"KotF" wrote:

The simple answer is to switch off the TV and pipe the audio
through your
stereo and just listen to it. The pictures (what's left of them)
add nothing
(except for weather forecast) - and you can get on with other
things too...

I often have 3 or 4 24-hr news channels on simultaneously (albeit
with no
sound). How does your solution work?

Watch one channel at once? Who do you think you are, Elvis?

Elvis was a news junkie? I had no idea.

(Whoosh!)

So just $ky News, then.

Who's in charge of News 24? These new graphics really need sorting
out. If they'd left the clock as it was, and stuck the same size font
as "BBC NEWS 24" read before, on top of the clock, then that would be
more acceptable. As it stands, it looks the same size as when BBC run
a trailer for something coming up and it takes your eye off the
content you're trying to watch.

And why have a revamp anyway? The old studio was fine. It's still the
same old news, so what the hell is the difference?

Blind people get a reduction in the licence fee. If they make the captions
so large that even the blind can't miss them then perhaps they can make them
pay a higher licence fee and get more money.

Blind people get a reduction in the licence fee. If they make the
captions
so large that even the blind can't miss them then perhaps they can make
them
pay a higher licence fee and get more money.

Since they shrink and grow the headlines, maybe they should put it on a half
second loop and totally go for the annoying pop-up look...

- Steve

In uk.media.tv.misc Adrian wrote:
I hardly watch News 24 since they introduced the new graphics, it gives me a
headache.

tell them

seems to work OK.

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In uk.media.tv.misc Adrian wrote:
I hardly watch News 24 since they introduced the new graphics, it gives me a
headache.

tell them

seems to work OK.

Have done that now, as well as several other BBC addresses. Let's see if they
reply.
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