Broadband internet via Sky D - is this real ?
 

Anyone heard anything about this ?
http://www.uk-bug.net/modules.php?op...rder=0&thold=0

According to the website, SkyD will shortly be launcing a broadband
service under a brand called AVC broadband (I've heard of them
somewhere - anyone know where?)

Is this going to acutally come to be reality ? This could be cool for
those without broadband if it is !

How would you get the signal from the SkyD dish to the computer
though? would it be a modem? or would I be able to use a router so I
could use my PlayStation2 over it as well ?

Roll on January 1st !

"MK" wrote in message
...
Anyone heard anything about this ?

http://www.uk-bug.net/modules.php?op...rder=0&thold=0

According to the website, SkyD will shortly be launcing a broadband
service under a brand called AVC broadband (I've heard of them
somewhere - anyone know where?)

Is this going to acutally come to be reality ? This could be cool for
those without broadband if it is !

How would you get the signal from the SkyD dish to the computer
though? would it be a modem? or would I be able to use a router so I
could use my PlayStation2 over it as well ?

Roll on January 1st !

Sat broadband has been around for some time. Very good for downloads but not
very usefull if you require fast uploads as you use the phone for that.

Sat broadband has been around for some time. Very good for downloads but
not
very usefull if you require fast uploads as you use the phone for that.

Not got at all for playing games either. Because the signal has to go into
space and back, this takes time, hence why your pings will be around 600ms
or more.
Sat broadband has been around for some time. Very good for downloads but
not
very usefull if you require fast uploads as you use the phone for that.

Not got at all for playing games either. Because the signal has to go into
space and back, this takes time, hence why your pings will be around 600ms
or more.

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:28:42 -0000, "Peter G Sheppard"
wrote:

Sat broadband has been around for some time. Very good for downloads but
not
very usefull if you require fast uploads as you use the phone for that.

Not got at all for playing games either. Because the signal has to go into
space and back, this takes time, hence why your pings will be around 600ms
or more.
Sat broadband has been around for some time. Very good for downloads but
not
very usefull if you require fast uploads as you use the phone for that.

Not got at all for playing games either. Because the signal has to go into
space and back, this takes time, hence why your pings will be around 600ms
or more.


So important you said it twice ?

;o)
--
Andy Jenkins
UK Broadband Usergroup : http://www.uk-bug.net

In message , Andy Jenkins
writes
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:28:42 -0000, "Peter G Sheppard"
wrote:

Sat broadband has been around for some time. Very good for downloads but
not
very usefull if you require fast uploads as you use the phone for that.

Not got at all for playing games either. Because the signal has to go into
space and back, this takes time, hence why your pings will be around 600ms
or more.
Sat broadband has been around for some time. Very good for downloads but
not
very usefull if you require fast uploads as you use the phone for that.

Not got at all for playing games either. Because the signal has to go into
space and back, this takes time, hence why your pings will be around 600ms
or more.


So important you said it twice ?

;o)
--
Andy Jenkins
UK Broadband Usergroup : http://www.uk-bug.net

AVC are supposed to be launching on 1st January from 28E.

http://www.avcbroadband.com

Not a particularly cheap option - at least at the beginning..
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On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:51:22 +0000, Ross Lockley
wrote:

AVC are supposed to be launching on 1st January from 28E.

http://www.avcbroadband.com

Not a particularly cheap option - at least at the beginning..

Why do you say that ?

The monthly costs seems to be £29.99 a month (reasonable for a
broadband service - but high compared to traditional terrestrial
broadband services I admit).

The dish remains - as this operates via the SkyD dish, as you pointed
out at 28.2E. The only other costs seem to be the dialup connection
(yet to be confirmed if this is going to be 0800, 0845, or 0990 ;o) ),
plus a modem of some description (to the OP - no .. I doubt the
service will be able to cope with an ethernet based service - but I
could be wrong !)
--
Andy Jenkins
UK Broadband Usergroup : http://www.uk-bug.net

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:30:09 +0000, Andy Jenkins wrote:

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:28:42 -0000, "Peter G Sheppard"
wrote:

Sat broadband has been around for some time. Very good for downloads but
not
very usefull if you require fast uploads as you use the phone for that.

Not got at all for playing games either. Because the signal has to go into
space and back, this takes time, hence why your pings will be around 600ms
or more.
Sat broadband has been around for some time. Very good for downloads but
not
very usefull if you require fast uploads as you use the phone for that.

Not got at all for playing games either. Because the signal has to go into
space and back, this takes time, hence why your pings will be around 600ms
or more.


So important you said it twice ?

The first time it went by landline, the second was via the satellite. :-)
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

In message , Andy Jenkins
writes
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:51:22 +0000, Ross Lockley
wrote:

AVC are supposed to be launching on 1st January from 28E.

http://www.avcbroadband.com

Not a particularly cheap option - at least at the beginning..

Why do you say that ?

The monthly costs seems to be £29.99 a month (reasonable for a
broadband service - but high compared to traditional terrestrial
broadband services I admit).

The dish remains - as this operates via the SkyD dish, as you pointed
out at 28.2E. The only other costs seem to be the dialup connection
(yet to be confirmed if this is going to be 0800, 0845, or 0990 ;o) ),
plus a modem of some description (to the OP - no .. I doubt the
service will be able to cope with an ethernet based service - but I
could be wrong !)
--
Andy Jenkins
UK Broadband Usergroup : http://www.uk-bug.net

A 250 quid compulsory setup charge for starters. (Plus 30 quid
connection)

I want to be able to source my own kit and fit it myself. Vie got a non
standard Sky dish installation, and I certainly dont want the installer
playing with it.

The monthly costs seems to be £29.99 a month (reasonable for a
broadband service - but high compared to traditional terrestrial
broadband services I admit).

Im right on the edge of the range of terrestrial broadband, and Im very
marginal, with limited speed available - so I get screwed by the
satellite companies if I want a decent service? Great.....


From their web site:

"AVC has researched the market and consumer requirements and recommend
the 512 kbps service it will provide the service most customers expect."

That one is 35quid a month.

I'll stick to dial up for now, and buy cheap cd'rs to burn anything I
desperately need from the fast lines at work....

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"Andy Jenkins" wrote in message
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On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:51:22 +0000, Ross Lockley
wrote:

AVC are supposed to be launching on 1st January from 28E.

http://www.avcbroadband.com

Not a particularly cheap option - at least at the beginning..

Why do you say that ?

The monthly costs seems to be £29.99 a month (reasonable for a
broadband service - but high compared to traditional terrestrial
broadband services I admit).

The dish remains - as this operates via the SkyD dish, as you pointed
out at 28.2E. The only other costs seem to be the dialup connection
(yet to be confirmed if this is going to be 0800, 0845, or 0990 ;o) ),
plus a modem of some description (to the OP - no .. I doubt the
service will be able to cope with an ethernet based service - but I
could be wrong !)
But can you use the phone whilst surfing? Not needing a second line for
surfing is big plus for ADSL.

i am on satellite broadband now through 28.2 east.

I use my mini dish, with a quad LNB, so i can watch digital satellite at
same time.

Playing games, my ping has been as low as 200ms, and i only pay £16.99 for
256kbps, which is actually pretty good.
I have taken a month off that tariff for a faster connection, 1MBmbps,
really nice, for only £34.99.
I use AOL for the upload part of it, as they dont have cut off's, i like it,
i certainly wouldnt go for broadband if it was available in my area, as
satellite is excellent.
only bad point is the upload part, as the line is usually always engaged!



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On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:30:09 +0000, Andy Jenkins wrote:

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:28:42 -0000, "Peter G Sheppard"
wrote:

Sat broadband has been around for some time. Very good for downloads
but
not
very usefull if you require fast uploads as you use the phone for
that.

Not got at all for playing games either. Because the signal has to go
into
space and back, this takes time, hence why your pings will be around
600ms
or more.
Sat broadband has been around for some time. Very good for downloads
but
not
very usefull if you require fast uploads as you use the phone for
that.

Not got at all for playing games either. Because the signal has to go
into
space and back, this takes time, hence why your pings will be around
600ms
or more.


So important you said it twice ?

The first time it went by landline, the second was via the satellite. :-)
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In article ,
says...
Not got at all for playing games either. Because the signal has to go into
space and back, this takes time, hence why your pings will be around 600ms
or more.


So important you said it twice ?

That was just the incidental effect of it pinging back.
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"John Russell" wrote in message
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According to the website, SkyD will shortly be launcing a broadband
service under a brand called AVC broadband (I've heard of them
somewhere - anyone know where?)

Is this going to acutally come to be reality ? This could be cool for
those without broadband if it is !

How would you get the signal from the SkyD dish to the computer
though? would it be a modem? or would I be able to use a router so I
could use my PlayStation2 over it as well ?

Roll on January 1st !

Sat broadband has been around for some time. Very good for downloads but
not
very usefull if you require fast uploads as you use the phone for that.


BTConnect do 2 way sat broadband. It's 59.99+vat per month though.

http://www.btopenworld.com/broadband...ite_500_1.html

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:45:35 -0000, "John Russell"
wrote:

But can you use the phone whilst surfing? Not needing a second line for
surfing is big plus for ADSL.

True .. but we're talking about a service that would be for people who
can't get traditional ADSL or cable, so there are going to be, what,
'limitations' for want of a better word.

I doubt anyone would choose sat based broadband over terrestrial bb
through choice.

So its a given, that that limitations will exist, and that given its
limitations, £30 a month for 512k down (despite only having pstn up)
is rather good I think.
--
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UK Broadband Usergroup : http://www.uk-bug.net

Ross Lockley wrote:

A 250 quid compulsory setup charge for starters. (Plus 30 quid
connection)

I want to be able to source my own kit and fit it myself. Vie got a non
standard Sky dish installation, and I certainly dont want the installer
playing with it.

You can in fact source the parts yourself and avoid the setup charge.

It's just a bog-standard system by the looks of it and the sat PCI
card as supplied by EuropeOnline should do fine.

This is interesting though:

Are there limits of how much data I can transfer?
No, however, where a user is downloading excessive amounts of data, their bandwidth maybe restricted during peak times.

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Peter G Sheppard wrote:
Sat broadband has been around for some time. Very good for downloads
but not very usefull if you require fast uploads as you use the
phone for that.

Not got at all for playing games either. Because the signal has to
go into space and back, this takes time, hence why your pings will be
around 600ms or more.
Sat broadband has been around for some time. Very good for downloads
but not very usefull if you require fast uploads as you use the
phone for that.

Not got at all for playing games either. Because the signal has to
go into space and back, this takes time, hence why your pings will be
around 600ms or more.

You didn't need to write the same thing twice. Why are you doing this on
ALL your posts?

John Russell wrote:
"Andy Jenkins" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:51:22 +0000, Ross Lockley
wrote:

AVC are supposed to be launching on 1st January from 28E.

http://www.avcbroadband.com

Not a particularly cheap option - at least at the beginning..

Why do you say that ?

The monthly costs seems to be £29.99 a month (reasonable for a
broadband service - but high compared to traditional terrestrial
broadband services I admit).

The dish remains - as this operates via the SkyD dish, as you pointed
out at 28.2E. The only other costs seem to be the dialup connection
(yet to be confirmed if this is going to be 0800, 0845, or 0990 ;o)
), plus a modem of some description (to the OP - no .. I doubt the
service will be able to cope with an ethernet based service - but I
could be wrong !)
But can you use the phone whilst surfing? Not needing a second line
for surfing is big plus for ADSL.

I used my phone while surfing but I dropped it and now it's at the
bottom of the atlantic somewhere.

"Moongravy" wrote in message
...


BTConnect do 2 way sat broadband. It's 59.99+vat per month though.


http://www.btopenworld.com/broadband...ite_500_1.html

Yes and the grand installation fee is a bit of a damper. Nevertheless if
your neighbours shared it thru an 802.11 link - it could make a reasonable
alternative to ISDN in areas where an nearby ADSL enabled exchange is but a
dream. (Maybe against BTO T&Cs - but how would they know?).

For businesses - there may be local grants to defray installation costs.

--
Stuart

"Andy Jenkins" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:45:35 -0000, "John Russell"
wrote:

But can you use the phone whilst surfing? Not needing a second line for
surfing is big plus for ADSL.

True .. but we're talking about a service that would be for people who
can't get traditional ADSL or cable, so there are going to be, what,
'limitations' for want of a better word.

I doubt anyone would choose sat based broadband over terrestrial bb
through choice.

So its a given, that that limitations will exist, and that given its
limitations, £30 a month for 512k down (despite only having pstn up)
is rather good I think.

The problem is that once you move to a fixed price service (broadband or
dial-up) you use it more and hog the line. The rest of the familiy then
put's you under pressure to rent a second line. One reason I changed to ADSL
was once my second line was removed it was cheaper for me to have ADSL than
unlimited dial-up and two lines.

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:37:43 +0000, Ross Lockley
wrote:

In message , Andy Jenkins
writes
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:51:22 +0000, Ross Lockley
wrote:

AVC are supposed to be launching on 1st January from 28E.

http://www.avcbroadband.com

Not a particularly cheap option - at least at the beginning..

Why do you say that ?

The monthly costs seems to be £29.99 a month (reasonable for a
broadband service - but high compared to traditional terrestrial
broadband services I admit).
[snip[

I'll stick to dial up for now, and buy cheap cd'rs to burn anything I
desperately need from the fast lines at work....

That's what I used to do - schedule big stuff to download overnight
and then FTP them onto my empeg MP3 player the next day.

Gareth

On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:47:19 -0000, "Stuart" wrote:


"Moongravy" wrote in message
...


BTConnect do 2 way sat broadband. It's 59.99+vat per month though.


http://www.btopenworld.com/broadband...ite_500_1.html

Yes and the grand installation fee is a bit of a damper. Nevertheless if
your neighbours shared it thru an 802.11 link - it could make a reasonable
alternative to ISDN in areas where an nearby ADSL enabled exchange is but a
dream. (Maybe against BTO T&Cs - but how would they know?).

For businesses - there may be local grants to defray installation costs.

I trialled a 2-way setup using the same Gilat system but with a
different company. The downloads were very fast at times (80Kb/s) but
uploads were originally 156kbps then throttled to half that after a
while (not sure what BT are using) - annoying if you upload to
websites often.

Ping times varied but were usually around 700ms.

Web browsing ran through a special proxy which bundled pages at the
ground station before they were uplinked in one go. This made browsing
strange but very overall pretty quick.

Gareth

This seems to explain it a bit

Q: Why is the latency so high?
A: The way a satellite stays in orbit, without using any type of engine or
rocket to correct its orbit, is to gain a balance between gravity and
centrifugal force. The closer to earth, the greater the gravity pulling the
bird toward earth. The faster it moves the greater the force pulling it away
from the earth. It turns out that there is a spot, about 22,300 miles above
the equator, where the speed an object must travel to gain equilibrium
against gravity is exactly the same as the speed the earth is turning. By
placing a satellite in this spot, its relative position above the earth
stays constant. Satellites used for broadband internet and TV must stay in
one place in the sky so that you can point your dish in one spot and get the
signal. The only other alternative would be to have a constellation of
satellites in a lower orbit, that would rise and fall like the sun and
stars. There would need to be enough of these flying that there was always
one overhead, which requires a lot of satellites, a lot of infrastructure,
and therefore a lot of money.

In the case of a two-way satellite system, when you request something by
clicking on a link, or any other way, that message travels 44,600 miles just
to get to the NOC. The stuff coming back to you must travel the reverse
route, so the round trip is 89,200 miles. The speed of light is 186,000
miles per second in a VACUUM, slower through the atmosphere. But even if you
assumed 186,000 mps then the total time taken in space travel is about
480ms. Given the atmosphere problem, it is actually more like 500ms. Add to
that the terrestrial internet latency, which should be about 100ms. Also you
can add delays through transponders, gateways, proxies, etc.

http://www.sisp.net/broadband/satellite.htm

Two-way satellite has higher latency than one-way. But even one-way
satellite will spend about 240ms simply travelling to the satellite and
back.
Its just a case where the speed of light becomes a limiting factor.
If only there were something faster.

"Darren Wilkinson" wrote in message
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"Peter G Sheppard" wrote in message
...
Sat broadband has been around for some time. Very good for downloads
but
not
very usefull if you require fast uploads as you use the phone for
that.
Sat broadband has been around for some time. Very good for downloads
but
not
very usefull if you require fast uploads as you use the phone for
that.

Not got at all for playing games either. Because the signal has to go
into
space and back, this takes time, hence why your pings will be around
600ms
or more.

I thought that that was because data had to go through the dialup isp then
the satellite isp then to space.

Surely the internet is mostly satelite based anyway?

I thought that that was because data had to go through the dialup isp then
the satellite isp then to space.

Surely the internet is mostly satelite based anyway?


nope...

hiya,

will this connect up via USB to the pc ?

tia