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Not got at all for playing games either. Because the signal has to go into
space and back, this takes time, hence why your pings will be around 600ms
or more.


So important you said it twice ?

That was just the incidental effect of it pinging back.
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"John Russell" wrote in message
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According to the website, SkyD will shortly be launcing a broadband
service under a brand called AVC broadband (I've heard of them
somewhere - anyone know where?)

Is this going to acutally come to be reality ? This could be cool for
those without broadband if it is !

How would you get the signal from the SkyD dish to the computer
though? would it be a modem? or would I be able to use a router so I
could use my PlayStation2 over it as well ?

Roll on January 1st !

Sat broadband has been around for some time. Very good for downloads but
not
very usefull if you require fast uploads as you use the phone for that.


BTConnect do 2 way sat broadband. It's 59.99+vat per month though.

http://www.btopenworld.com/broadband...ite_500_1.html

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:45:35 -0000, "John Russell"
wrote:

But can you use the phone whilst surfing? Not needing a second line for
surfing is big plus for ADSL.

True .. but we're talking about a service that would be for people who
can't get traditional ADSL or cable, so there are going to be, what,
'limitations' for want of a better word.

I doubt anyone would choose sat based broadband over terrestrial bb
through choice.

So its a given, that that limitations will exist, and that given its
limitations, £30 a month for 512k down (despite only having pstn up)
is rather good I think.
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Ross Lockley wrote:

A 250 quid compulsory setup charge for starters. (Plus 30 quid
connection)

I want to be able to source my own kit and fit it myself. Vie got a non
standard Sky dish installation, and I certainly dont want the installer
playing with it.

You can in fact source the parts yourself and avoid the setup charge.

It's just a bog-standard system by the looks of it and the sat PCI
card as supplied by EuropeOnline should do fine.

This is interesting though:

Are there limits of how much data I can transfer?
No, however, where a user is downloading excessive amounts of data, their bandwidth maybe restricted during peak times.

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Peter G Sheppard wrote:
Sat broadband has been around for some time. Very good for downloads
but not very usefull if you require fast uploads as you use the
phone for that.

Not got at all for playing games either. Because the signal has to
go into space and back, this takes time, hence why your pings will be
around 600ms or more.
Sat broadband has been around for some time. Very good for downloads
but not very usefull if you require fast uploads as you use the
phone for that.

Not got at all for playing games either. Because the signal has to
go into space and back, this takes time, hence why your pings will be
around 600ms or more.

You didn't need to write the same thing twice. Why are you doing this on
ALL your posts?

John Russell wrote:
"Andy Jenkins" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:51:22 +0000, Ross Lockley
wrote:

AVC are supposed to be launching on 1st January from 28E.

http://www.avcbroadband.com

Not a particularly cheap option - at least at the beginning..

Why do you say that ?

The monthly costs seems to be £29.99 a month (reasonable for a
broadband service - but high compared to traditional terrestrial
broadband services I admit).

The dish remains - as this operates via the SkyD dish, as you pointed
out at 28.2E. The only other costs seem to be the dialup connection
(yet to be confirmed if this is going to be 0800, 0845, or 0990 ;o)
), plus a modem of some description (to the OP - no .. I doubt the
service will be able to cope with an ethernet based service - but I
could be wrong !)
But can you use the phone whilst surfing? Not needing a second line
for surfing is big plus for ADSL.

I used my phone while surfing but I dropped it and now it's at the
bottom of the atlantic somewhere.

"Moongravy" wrote in message
...


BTConnect do 2 way sat broadband. It's 59.99+vat per month though.


http://www.btopenworld.com/broadband...ite_500_1.html

Yes and the grand installation fee is a bit of a damper. Nevertheless if
your neighbours shared it thru an 802.11 link - it could make a reasonable
alternative to ISDN in areas where an nearby ADSL enabled exchange is but a
dream. (Maybe against BTO T&Cs - but how would they know?).

For businesses - there may be local grants to defray installation costs.

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"Andy Jenkins" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:45:35 -0000, "John Russell"
wrote:

But can you use the phone whilst surfing? Not needing a second line for
surfing is big plus for ADSL.

True .. but we're talking about a service that would be for people who
can't get traditional ADSL or cable, so there are going to be, what,
'limitations' for want of a better word.

I doubt anyone would choose sat based broadband over terrestrial bb
through choice.

So its a given, that that limitations will exist, and that given its
limitations, £30 a month for 512k down (despite only having pstn up)
is rather good I think.

The problem is that once you move to a fixed price service (broadband or
dial-up) you use it more and hog the line. The rest of the familiy then
put's you under pressure to rent a second line. One reason I changed to ADSL
was once my second line was removed it was cheaper for me to have ADSL than
unlimited dial-up and two lines.

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:37:43 +0000, Ross Lockley
wrote:

In message , Andy Jenkins
writes
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:51:22 +0000, Ross Lockley
wrote:

AVC are supposed to be launching on 1st January from 28E.

http://www.avcbroadband.com

Not a particularly cheap option - at least at the beginning..

Why do you say that ?

The monthly costs seems to be £29.99 a month (reasonable for a
broadband service - but high compared to traditional terrestrial
broadband services I admit).
[snip[

I'll stick to dial up for now, and buy cheap cd'rs to burn anything I
desperately need from the fast lines at work....

That's what I used to do - schedule big stuff to download overnight
and then FTP them onto my empeg MP3 player the next day.

Gareth

On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:47:19 -0000, "Stuart" wrote:


"Moongravy" wrote in message
...


BTConnect do 2 way sat broadband. It's 59.99+vat per month though.


http://www.btopenworld.com/broadband...ite_500_1.html

Yes and the grand installation fee is a bit of a damper. Nevertheless if
your neighbours shared it thru an 802.11 link - it could make a reasonable
alternative to ISDN in areas where an nearby ADSL enabled exchange is but a
dream. (Maybe against BTO T&Cs - but how would they know?).

For businesses - there may be local grants to defray installation costs.

I trialled a 2-way setup using the same Gilat system but with a
different company. The downloads were very fast at times (80Kb/s) but
uploads were originally 156kbps then throttled to half that after a
while (not sure what BT are using) - annoying if you upload to
websites often.

Ping times varied but were usually around 700ms.

Web browsing ran through a special proxy which bundled pages at the
ground station before they were uplinked in one go. This made browsing
strange but very overall pretty quick.

Gareth