solus P2 FTV cards switch off
 

just to see what the £23. Sky con was about I phoned the Sky number on
http://www.free2view.tv/

They said they only dealt with ex subscription cards but said both P1 & P2
cards would be turned off

Did not even kbow what a Solus card was , but tried to sell me a £23 new
card,,, said I would wait until my solus P2 card was switched off

Does anyone have the new £23 card?, does it have just the same channels as
the solus card, there was a rumour it would be the same channels as
terrestrial digital ( just I would have liked to see the rugby on ITV2)

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IOOA wrote:
just to see what the £23. Sky con was about I phoned the Sky number on
http://www.free2view.tv/

They said they only dealt with ex subscription cards but said both P1 & P2
cards would be turned off

Have a look there :
http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/...047ab35ds.html

"IOOA" wrote in message
...
just to see what the £23. Sky con was about I phoned the Sky number on
http://www.free2view.tv/

They said they only dealt with ex subscription cards but said both P1 & P2
cards would be turned off

Did not even kbow what a Solus card was , but tried to sell me a £23 new
card,,, said I would wait until my solus P2 card was switched off

Does anyone have the new £23 card?, does it have just the same channels as
the solus card, there was a rumour it would be the same channels as
terrestrial digital ( just I would have liked to see the rugby on ITV2)

You get excatly the same channels as the old Solus cards. No ITV2. Sorry.

Just received copy of half hour debate at Westminster 21st Oct Television
reception (rural areas) - could post if of any interest to anyone. We are
putting it to our MP that if folk have to pay the £23.50p then it would only
be fair that BBC encrypted all ftv channels and everyone had to pay them for
a card seperate to skys. Removing the free service from sky's package would
at least make it a level playing field for all. - Mike

On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:42:14 -0000, "Mick" wrote:

Just received copy of half hour debate at Westminster 21st Oct Television
reception (rural areas) - could post if of any interest to anyone. We are
putting it to our MP that if folk have to pay the £23.50p then it would only
be fair that BBC encrypted all ftv channels and everyone had to pay them for
a card seperate to skys. Removing the free service from sky's package would
at least make it a level playing field for all. - Mike

What a nonsensical argument. The more obvious solution is that ITV, C4 & C5 go
FTA like the BBC & then nobody will need to buy a card.

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IOOA wrote:

They said they only dealt with ex subscription cards but said both P1 & P2
cards would be turned off

If so I would have expected to see some on-screen warning by now.

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"Nigel Barker" wrote in message
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What a nonsensical argument. The more obvious solution is that ITV, C4 &
C5 go
FTA like the BBC & then nobody will need to buy a card.

just out of interest, why arent they?

spammy wrote:
"Nigel Barker" wrote in message
...

What a nonsensical argument. The more obvious solution is that ITV,
C4 & C5 go FTA like the BBC & then nobody will need to buy a card.

just out of interest, why arent they?

Because the payments for programming rights for FTA satellite transmission,
are more than the cost of FTV encryption. Even more of a problem for C4 and
5 because they are not on Astra 2D (which has a much tighter footprint),
although of course the Beeb have managed it. (excluding the issues relating
to Scottish PL football, and some Hollywood film studios)

ITV, C4, and 5 will go FTA only if it benefits them (rather than the viewers).

In article ,
"spammy" wrote:

"Nigel Barker" wrote in message
...

What a nonsensical argument. The more obvious solution is that ITV, C4 &
C5 go
FTA like the BBC & then nobody will need to buy a card.

just out of interest, why arent they?

Because of rights agreements and issues that mean they must encrypt. Cost
of encryption is cheaper than the [rights] costs of not encrypting.

In article ,
"Mark Carver" wrote:

Because the payments for programming rights for FTA satellite transmission,
are more than the cost of FTV encryption. Even more of a problem for C4 and
5 because they are not on Astra 2D (which has a much tighter footprint),
although of course the Beeb have managed it. (excluding the issues relating
to Scottish PL football, and some Hollywood film studios)

How do you know the BBC has "managed it" (ie won't be paying out more in
rights costs than it saves in encryption costs?

Simon Gardner wrote:
In article ,
"Mark Carver" wrote:

Because the payments for programming rights for FTA satellite
transmission, are more than the cost of FTV encryption. Even more of
a problem for C4 and 5 because they are not on Astra 2D (which has a
much tighter footprint), although of course the Beeb have managed
it. (excluding the issues relating to Scottish PL football, and some
Hollywood film studios)

How do you know the BBC has "managed it" (ie won't be paying out more
in rights costs than it saves in encryption costs?

Because if not, they'd be cutting their nose, to spite their face......wouldn't they ? ;-)

(Rhetorical question)

In article ,
"Mark Carver" wrote:

Simon Gardner wrote:
In article ,
"Mark Carver" wrote:

Because the payments for programming rights for FTA satellite
transmission, are more than the cost of FTV encryption. Even more of
a problem for C4 and 5 because they are not on Astra 2D (which has a
much tighter footprint), although of course the Beeb have managed
it. (excluding the issues relating to Scottish PL football, and some
Hollywood film studios)

How do you know the BBC has "managed it" (ie won't be paying out more
in rights costs than it saves in encryption costs)?

Because if not, they'd be cutting their nose, to spite their face......wouldn't
they ? ;-)

(Rhetorical question)

Well, to spite Murdoch, in any case.

Mark Carver wrote:

Because the payments for programming rights for FTA satellite transmission,
are more than the cost of FTV encryption.

There is no evidence of this that I know of. There is no evidence that
the BBC generally pay any more for programming today than they did
last year, though there may be some rare and particular instances of
changes due to rights issues (notably to some boring sports fixtures).

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rnet[dot]co[dot]uk (Simon Gardner) wrote:

just out of interest, why arent they?

Because of rights agreements and issues that mean they must encrypt. Cost
of encryption is cheaper than the [rights] costs of not encrypting.

This is speculation. Or do you have some figures to back it up?

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spammy wrote:

just out of interest, why arent they?

One of the main reasons is that the three FTV channels have existing
contracts for encryption. C5's is for 5 years (IIRC) and so they are
unlikely to change, especially as they will probably be owned by Sky
soon anyway.
ITV have stated that they will be examining the case for FTA
broadcasting when the current encryption agreement with Sky expires
(2004). They are partially hamstrung (a common situation for business
"partners" of News Corp) by the fact that ITV2 is a pay channel on
Sky.
C4 are straddling the fence and saying nothing. Probably because they
also are hamstrung by FilmFour and E4.

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Jomtien wrote:
spammy wrote:

just out of interest, why arent they?

One of the main reasons is that the three FTV channels have existing
contracts for encryption. C5's is for 5 years (IIRC) and so they are
unlikely to change, especially as they will probably be owned by Sky
soon anyway.

C5 have the additional problem that Sky also provide their uplink to
Astra. ITV and C4 both contract NTL to provide this.

ITV have stated that they will be examining the case for FTA
broadcasting when the current encryption agreement with Sky expires
(2004). They are partially hamstrung (a common situation for business
"partners" of News Corp) by the fact that ITV2 is a pay channel on
Sky.

Only to offset their encryption costs for ITV-1. It will be interesting to
see what happens next year. If the bottom line cost of FTA transmission
is *genuinely* cheaper than FTV, they'll go FTA. ITV's only function these
days is to make money.

Yes I agree with "jomtien"

I expect it was just a sales pitch... another of my gripes if it is just a
service cost of £23.... why does a pub have to pay more for the card... £105

Does a pub have to pay more if it broadcast BBC1 analogue?


"Jomtien" wrote in message
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IOOA wrote:

They said they only dealt with ex subscription cards but said both P1 &
P2
cards would be turned off

If so I would have expected to see some on-screen warning by now.

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Mark Carver wrote:

One of the main reasons is that the three FTV channels have existing
contracts for encryption. C5's is for 5 years (IIRC) and so they are
unlikely to change, especially as they will probably be owned by Sky
soon anyway.

C5 have the additional problem that Sky also provide their uplink to
Astra. ITV and C4 both contract NTL to provide this.

That's very true though the uplink deal doesn't tie them in with Sky
in any other way.

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IOOA wrote:
Yes I agree with "jomtien"

I expect it was just a sales pitch... another of my gripes if it is
just a service cost of £23.... why does a pub have to pay more for
the card... £105

Does a pub have to pay more if it broadcast BBC1 analogue?

Strictly speaking any 'public performance' of a radio or TV broadcast
requires a PRS (Performing Rights Society ?) licence. A while ago a
number of factories and work places were approached to provide
a licence, simply because they had the radio playing over the PA.

Though I expect Sky's £105 charge, is nothing more than greed.