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Sky+ is it worth it
Richard said this:
A sky+ box is effectively a 'computer' and as such has a hard drive, a fan which is a little noisey and allows you to record some programs (how many hours???) With the standard 40GB hard drive you can get approximately 20 hours of recording time. The actual figure varies depending on the bitrate of the programmes you are recording. If you record mostly from low-quality channels you could probably get much more than 20 hours, and you would be able to record hundreds of hours of radio. You can only play back a program if you are connected to the satelite and if your card allows you to watch the channel being played back. Correct. Some people see this as a severe limitation, but it shouldn't make much difference during normal use. If you want to keep the recording it is better to copy it to a video or seperate recording device. As with all forms of data storage, it's always a good idea to keep backups. This is especially true with PVRs, since the hard disk is slightly more likely to fail. The only real benfit I can see is the fact it has two tuners and thus you can watch one channel and record another. Also, in the near future, you'll be able to record two channels at the same time while watching a previous recording. However, when looking for the benefits of Sky+ you shouldn't think of it merely as a digital VCR. Sky+ will change the way you watch television. You'll browse through the EPG, selecting all programmes that look remotely interesting, then whenever you sit down to watch TV, you can choose what you want to watch and when you want to watch it. You won't be limited to watching whatever is on at the time. Another benefit is the fact that you can record programmes from channels you don't subscribe to. You won't be able to watch them until you subscribe, but this is still a very useful feature, since you can record a few months' worth or programmes, then subscribe for a short period and watch them all (or dump them all to an external recording device for later viewing). This is especially useful with the movie channels, but will work on other channels too. It would certainly save you a lot in subscription fees. For this you buy a box for £199, and then pay £10 a month (or have 2 premium cannels and pay over £30 a month for your sky package). Yes. Now do you have to pay teh £10 for ever or can you stop after 12 months? If you stop what functions (if any) do you loose? If you are on a lower package and you stop paying the £10, your Sky+ box will function like a standard digibox (except that the personal planner won't work). I would imagine that you would still be able to view recorded programmes, but I don't know this for sure. If you keep paying the £10 do Sky keep you up to date with the latest features and technology? Software updates will be downloaded to your box whether or not you have an active Sky+ subscription. The forthcoming "dual record" feature, for example, will be made available to all Sky+ customers. You don't need to buy a new box or pay any sort of fee for the upgrade. |
Dale Richards wrote:
Richard said this: snip Don't forget that Sky+ gives you DD5.1 sound on movie channels, which is nice if you can make use of it. I can :-) Compared to the price of buying one DVD or renting 4-5 in a month I reckon that makes the extra cost of Sky+ and the movies (£14.50) over and above the standard £18.50 package quite good value. Look upon it as paying £200 for Sky+ instead of a DVD player and VCR and then £14.50 per month for virtually unlimited movie rentals and you don't have to keep running back and forth to the video shop. If you have to drive to the shop then count that as another 50p-£1 per trip just for petrol. Mine is ordered. -- Email is munged. Remove leading _ for email reply. |
"Richard" wrote in message ... Looking at a sampling of prior posts here I have the following understanding of what Sky + is. Is my understanding correct. A sky+ box is effectively a 'computer' and as such has a hard drive, a fan which is a little noisey and allows you to record some programs (how many hours???) No noise from the fan on mine I've ever noticed (Or from the box, its totally silent) It might be 'really' a computer but thats irrelevant since you cant use it as such. You can only play back a program if you are connected to the satelite and if your card allows you to watch the channel being played back. Which is 100% of the time to the nearest significant decimal point. If you want to keep the recording it is better to copy it to a video or seperate recording device. Yep The only real benfit I can see is the fact it has two tuners and thus you can watch one channel and record another. Then you appear to have a blinkered view. Thats 1 huge benefit if there is more than 1 of you in a house. Other benefits are; Goodbye adverts (I see mine at 30x) Start watching recordings before they have ended (see above re adverts, you can just record something and start watching it say 10 minutes in and FF through the ads) Making recordings is a piece of **** (No having to coordinate the vcr) See all the recordings you are due to make in the future. You dont ever lose that tape you recorded the last episode of something you wanted to watch See all the recordings you have made, what they are called, rather than grub amongst a bunch of tapes with crossed out listings several times You dont accidentally* record over something you havent watched yet You dont run out of blank tapes* You can live pause when you nip out of the room for a ***** so you dont have to miss bits of programs or soil yourself For this you buy a box for £199, and then pay £10 a month (or have 2 premium cannels and pay over £30 a month for your sky package). Yep Now do you have to pay teh £10 for ever or can you stop after 12 months? If you stop what functions (if any) do you loose? If you keep paying the £10 do Sky keep you up to date with the latest features and technology? Does this £10 cover the box breaking down after the 12 months? If not what is the £10 really for??? Richard You pay the £10 until a better device comes out. This is unlikely to be forever. If you stop, it doesn't work asa Sky+ box anymore. The £10 is for Sky's profit, same as the money they charge you for sky packages, for engineer installs, etc. Did you think it might be for charity? -- Tumbleweed * you might deliberately overwrite a prog you havent seen, and you might fill your disc up and you can also live pause for other things than taking a ****. Remove theobvious before replying (but no email reply necessary to newsgroups) |
"Reg" wrote in message ... You can live pause when you nip out of the room for a ***** so you dont have to miss bits of programs or soil yourself You might want to copyright that bit in case they start using in in adverts :-) LOL. Do you think the ad should show a before & after Sky+? The 'before' would be walking bandy legged...... -- Tumbleweed Remove theobvious before replying (but no email reply necessary to newsgroups) |
Dale Richards wrote:
If you are on a lower package and you stop paying the £10, your Sky+ box will function like a standard digibox (except that the personal planner won't work). I would imagine that you would still be able to view recorded programmes, but I don't know this for sure. You can't. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/guiv How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/ BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
Tumbleweed wrote:
Then you appear to have a blinkered view. Thats 1 huge benefit if there is more than 1 of you in a house. Other benefits are; Goodbye adverts (I see mine at 30x) Start watching recordings before they have ended (see above re adverts, you can just record something and start watching it say 10 minutes in and FF through the ads) Making recordings is a piece of **** (No having to coordinate the vcr) See all the recordings you are due to make in the future. You dont ever lose that tape you recorded the last episode of something you wanted to watch See all the recordings you have made, what they are called, rather than grub amongst a bunch of tapes with crossed out listings several times You dont accidentally* record over something you havent watched yet You dont run out of blank tapes* You can live pause when you nip out of the room for a ***** so you dont have to miss bits of programs or soil yourself A Tivo does all of this far better than the Sky+ does. The main advantage of the Sky+ is the fact that it can record one thing whilst you watch another, as mentioned. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/guiv How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/ BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
Richard wrote:
Now do you have to pay teh £10 for ever or can you stop after 12 months? If you stop what functions (if any) do you loose? If you keep paying the £10 do Sky keep you up to date with the latest features and technology? Does this £10 cover the box breaking down after the 12 months? If not what is the £10 really for??? The £10 is for precisely nothing. The £10 (which is waived on subscriptions that include two premium channels) just means that Sky will activate the recording and playback functions that you have already paid for in the purchase price of the box. Just as if your VCR manufacturer wanted a £10 sub for allowing your VCR to record, of if Ford wanted £10 per month to allow you to start the engine of your car. The fee and the idea behind it is nothing but nonsense born of a lack of competition. Apart from the lack of recording and playback functions nothing changes without the Sky+ sub and the fee provides no sort of insurance cover or service provision of whatever nature. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/guiv How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/ BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
"Jomtien" wrote in message ... Tumbleweed wrote: Then you appear to have a blinkered view. Thats 1 huge benefit if there is more than 1 of you in a house. Other benefits are; Goodbye adverts (I see mine at 30x) Start watching recordings before they have ended (see above re adverts, you can just record something and start watching it say 10 minutes in and FF through the ads) Making recordings is a piece of **** (No having to coordinate the vcr) See all the recordings you are due to make in the future. You dont ever lose that tape you recorded the last episode of something you wanted to watch See all the recordings you have made, what they are called, rather than grub amongst a bunch of tapes with crossed out listings several times You dont accidentally* record over something you havent watched yet You dont run out of blank tapes* You can live pause when you nip out of the room for a ***** so you dont have to miss bits of programs or soil yourself A Tivo does all of this far better than the Sky+ does. The main advantage of the Sky+ is the fact that it can record one thing whilst you watch another, as mentioned. I suggest its irrelevant that a TIvo does this better, for two reasons. 1) You cant effectively buy them anymore, and 2) If I cant record what I want because there is a channel clash, the fact the Tivo does it better is, well.....irrelevant. You can tell me how much better it would have been while you twiddle your thumbs, while I watch the recording I made! Of course, the fact that Tivo does it better means that at some future point we'll get something better than Sky+, which is good. I have no love for paying £10 a month,and I'd love to see better features. Bring them on. -- Tumbleweed Remove theobvious before replying (but no email reply necessary to newsgroups) |
Read the posts on this thread.
All true regarding the techie ins and outs. Another thing you could try is buy a Hard Drive recorder or DVD Writer. I have a Panasonic DMR-HS2 hooked up to my Sky box, love the combo to bits! The combo virtually replicates the Sky+ functionality, pause live tv, time-slip function etc. Programs started using Autoview on Sky gets recorded to the panasonic etc. Plus you can also copy all your programs to DVD afterwards. No searching for tapes or spare space on tapes. Plus side, no Sky+ monthly subscriptions or buying new equipment etc. Downside is that if your Sky box doesnt support 5.1, you'll just get normal 2 channel stereo recorded. But i can live with that most of the time, using Pro-Logic through the hi-fi amp. Also, you can't watch one sky program and record another, only record from Sky and watch the terrestrial channels (BBC1, ITV etc). Just another option :-) M "trappeduser" wrote in message ... "Richard" wrote in message ... Looking at a sampling of prior posts here I have the following understanding of what Sky + is. Is my understanding correct. SNIP It's worth every penny, being able to record programs and movies all stored on a hard-drive. Being able to record programs while watching a different channel. I'm glad I got sky+, no more buggering around with video tapes, my VCR is just sitting about gathering dust. Matt |
Jomtien said this:
Dale Richards wrote: If you are on a lower package and you stop paying the £10, your Sky+ box will function like a standard digibox (except that the personal planner won't work). I would imagine that you would still be able to view recorded programmes, but I don't know this for sure. You can't. That's a bit of a bugger. |
Tumbleweed said this:
A Tivo does all of this far better than the Sky+ does. The main advantage of the Sky+ is the fact that it can record one thing whilst you watch another, as mentioned. I suggest its irrelevant that a TIvo does this better, for two reasons. 1) You cant effectively buy them anymore, and 2) If I cant record what I want because there is a channel clash, the fact the Tivo does it better is, well.....irrelevant. You can tell me how much better it would have been while you twiddle your thumbs, while I watch the recording I made! I think it's a pretty bold statement saying that Tivo does this *better*. Recording is far more fiddly, and picture quality is a lot worse. Also, you can only record the programme you're watching, which might be acceptable if you only ever watch recordings, but sometimes it's necessary to watch things live (e.g. live sports events). On top of all this, you can't even buy the damn things anymore. The one-off lifetime subscription fee is probably Tivo's only advantage over Sky+. |
"Dale Richards" wrote in message ... Tumbleweed said this: A Tivo does all of this far better than the Sky+ does. The main advantage of the Sky+ is the fact that it can record one thing whilst you watch another, as mentioned. I suggest its irrelevant that a TIvo does this better, for two reasons. 1) You cant effectively buy them anymore, and 2) If I cant record what I want because there is a channel clash, the fact the Tivo does it better is, well.....irrelevant. You can tell me how much better it would have been while you twiddle your thumbs, while I watch the recording I made! Which could of course apply to Sky+ users when they're twiddling their thumbs during a heavy rainfall,Snow or thunderstorm,,who are in effect unable to even watch live TV OR their recordings! I think it's a pretty bold statement saying that Tivo does this *better*. Recording is far more fiddly, and picture quality is a lot worse. Also, you can only record the programme you're watching, which might be acceptable if you only ever watch recordings, but sometimes it's necessary to watch things live (e.g. live sports events). Probably because TIVO is superior and shows up Skys crappy signal even more (digital artifacts on overloaded transponders) On top of all this, you can't even buy the damn things anymore. Perhaps because the Sky monopoly was put in charge of marketting TIVO in the U.K..I suggest TIVO must not have done their homework on Sky/Murdoch and their monopoly..FOOLS! The one-off lifetime subscription fee is probably Tivo's only advantage over Sky+. Both look on the SCAM side to me, I've yet to see a VCR or DVD Recorder that requires you pay a sub to enable the record button. Perhaps IF we ever get *graffiti free* TV more people would be buying DVD recorders and Sky+/Tivo a thing of the past simply because of the monthly *recording fee* If Sky goes tits up,Graffiti free TV will appear :-) |
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 13:48:31 +0100, "The Wizard" wrote:
Probably because TIVO is superior and shows up Skys crappy signal even more (digital artifacts on overloaded transponders) It's not that. Sky+ records the encrypted MPEG2 stream direct to disk & replays through the decoder. There is no loss in picture quality when comparing recorded to live programmes. The TIVO in common with all other PVR solutions must take the analogue Sky picture that has been decoded from the MPEG2 source & re-encode it to record it to disk then decode it again to play it back. -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur |
In article , Dale Richards
writes Tumbleweed said this: The one-off lifetime subscription fee is probably Tivo's only advantage over Sky+. Apart from the longer TV listings, season passes that will work even if a something hasn't been on for months, season pass manager that will avoid clashes, wishlists, variable recording quality, better listing search, you mean? -- Sean Black |
"The Wizard" wrote in message . .. "Dale Richards" wrote in message ... Tumbleweed said this: A Tivo does all of this far better than the Sky+ does. The main advantage of the Sky+ is the fact that it can record one thing whilst you watch another, as mentioned. I suggest its irrelevant that a TIvo does this better, for two reasons. 1) You cant effectively buy them anymore, and 2) If I cant record what I want because there is a channel clash, the fact the Tivo does it better is, well.....irrelevant. You can tell me how much better it would have been while you twiddle your thumbs, while I watch the recording I made! Which could of course apply to Sky+ users when they're twiddling their thumbs during a heavy rainfall,Snow or thunderstorm,,who are in effect unable to even watch live TV OR their recordings! Never happened to me yet, channel clashes are much more likely. I think it's a pretty bold statement saying that Tivo does this *better*. Recording is far more fiddly, and picture quality is a lot worse. Also, you can only record the programme you're watching, which might be acceptable if you only ever watch recordings, but sometimes it's necessary to watch things live (e.g. live sports events). Probably because TIVO is superior and shows up Skys crappy signal even more (digital artifacts on overloaded transponders) So your argument is that Tivo (which you cant buy so whats the point trumpeting how wonderful it is) is SOOOO good, it makes the picture look worse? Hmmm.... On top of all this, you can't even buy the damn things anymore. Perhaps because the Sky monopoly was put in charge of marketting TIVO in the U.K..I suggest TIVO must not have done their homework on Sky/Murdoch and their monopoly..FOOLS! But the fact remains you cant buy it, so why go on about it? -- Tumbleweed Remove theobvious before replying (but no email reply necessary to newsgroups) |
"Sean Black" wrote in message ... In article , Dale Richards writes Tumbleweed said this: No he didnt! The one-off lifetime subscription fee is probably Tivo's only advantage over Sky+. Apart from the longer TV listings, season passes that will work even if a something hasn't been on for months, season pass manager that will avoid clashes, wishlists, variable recording quality, better listing search, you mean? I dunno, that wasnt me what said that. -- Tumbleweed Remove theobvious before replying (but no email reply necessary to newsgroups) |
SoulSurvivor wrote:
Downside is that if your Sky box doesnt support 5.1, you'll just get normal 2 channel stereo recorded. Even if you do have a Sky+ box with DD5.1 out the Panasonic can't record it. You need to wait for the Kiss recorder that apparently will be able to record DD5.1. Also, you can't watch one sky program and record another, only record from Sky and watch the terrestrial channels (BBC1, ITV etc). You can if you invest in a Sky mirror sub. I think that this is a better deal than the Sky+. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/guiv How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/ BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
Dale Richards wrote:
If you are on a lower package and you stop paying the £10, your Sky+ box will function like a standard digibox (except that the personal planner won't work). I would imagine that you would still be able to view recorded programmes, but I don't know this for sure. You can't. That's a bit of a bugger. Indeed. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/guiv How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/ BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
Tumbleweed wrote:
A Tivo does all of this far better than the Sky+ does. The main advantage of the Sky+ is the fact that it can record one thing whilst you watch another, as mentioned. I suggest its irrelevant that a TIvo does this better, for two reasons. 1) You cant effectively buy them anymore, and You can still find them, even unused. 2) If I cant record what I want because there is a channel clash, the fact the Tivo does it better is, well.....irrelevant. You can tell me how much better it would have been while you twiddle your thumbs, while I watch the recording I made! Depending on the Sky package you have (and I have no Sky package at all so the cost question doesn't even arise) it may cost no more to have a mirror sub than it does to have a Sky+. With a mirror sub you can dedicate one box to your Tivo (this is what I do, but without the Sky sub) and this way of course you can do more than the Sky+ can because you can actually watch two live channels at once, and not just watch one and record another. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/guiv How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/ BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
Dale Richards wrote:
A Tivo does all of this far better than the Sky+ does. The main advantage of the Sky+ is the fact that it can record one thing whilst you watch another, as mentioned. I think it's a pretty bold statement saying that Tivo does this *better*. Recording is far more fiddly, I can't agree about that. I would say that the Tivo is as easy yet has more powerful options for searching for programmes to record. Also Tivo's "series link" option is far more powerful than the Sky+ version. and picture quality is a lot worse. It is, but this wasn't part of the list of Sky+ advantages given that I was commenting on. Also, you can only record the programme you're watching, which might be acceptable if you only ever watch recordings, but sometimes it's necessary to watch things live (e.g. live sports events). As I mentioned in another post, you can get a Sky mirror sub that solves this problem and in fact gives you more than the Sky+ can as the mirror sub allows you to watch two different things live at the same time. Many people would be happy with one Sky sub and one FTV digibox, or even no sub and two FTV digiboxes, as I have. The one-off lifetime subscription fee is probably Tivo's only advantage over Sky+. That and the fact that you don't need to keep paying Sky a viewing subscription fee to view recorded programmes. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/guiv How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/ BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
Jomtien said this:
2) If I cant record what I want because there is a channel clash, the fact the Tivo does it better is, well.....irrelevant. You can tell me how much better it would have been while you twiddle your thumbs, while I watch the recording I made! Depending on the Sky package you have (and I have no Sky package at all so the cost question doesn't even arise) it may cost no more to have a mirror sub than it does to have a Sky+. With a mirror sub you can dedicate one box to your Tivo (this is what I do, but without the Sky sub) and this way of course you can do more than the Sky+ can because you can actually watch two live channels at once, and not just watch one and record another. And what about recording two channels at the same time? |
On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:39:40 +0100, "Dale Richards"
wrote: Jomtien said this: 2) If I cant record what I want because there is a channel clash, the fact the Tivo does it better is, well.....irrelevant. You can tell me how much better it would have been while you twiddle your thumbs, while I watch the recording I made! Depending on the Sky package you have (and I have no Sky package at all so the cost question doesn't even arise) it may cost no more to have a mirror sub than it does to have a Sky+. With a mirror sub you can dedicate one box to your Tivo (this is what I do, but without the Sky sub) and this way of course you can do more than the Sky+ can because you can actually watch two live channels at once, and not just watch one and record another. And what about recording two channels at the same time? This is something that you can do with a Tivo if you have two of them. You cannot do this with a single Sky+ box even though it has been promised almost since they launched the product.So you can use two separate Tivos to record two separate programmes from two separate digiboxes or even as per Jomtien watch two live channels at once on two separate TVs (or on one if your set can use external input for PIP). -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur |
The Panasonic DMR-E100 (or is it E80) records in DD5.1. I aint rich
enough to buy it though! Stick to my HS2 for now. M Jomtien wrote in message . .. SoulSurvivor wrote: Downside is that if your Sky box doesnt support 5.1, you'll just get normal 2 channel stereo recorded. Even if you do have a Sky+ box with DD5.1 out the Panasonic can't record it. You need to wait for the Kiss recorder that apparently will be able to record DD5.1. Also, you can't watch one sky program and record another, only record from Sky and watch the terrestrial channels (BBC1, ITV etc). You can if you invest in a Sky mirror sub. I think that this is a better deal than the Sky+. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/guiv How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/ BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
"Nigel Barker" wrote in message ... On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:39:40 +0100, "Dale Richards" wrote: Jomtien said this: 2) If I cant record what I want because there is a channel clash, the fact the Tivo does it better is, well.....irrelevant. You can tell me how much better it would have been while you twiddle your thumbs, while I watch the recording I made! Depending on the Sky package you have (and I have no Sky package at all so the cost question doesn't even arise) it may cost no more to have a mirror sub than it does to have a Sky+. With a mirror sub you can dedicate one box to your Tivo (this is what I do, but without the Sky sub) and this way of course you can do more than the Sky+ can because you can actually watch two live channels at once, and not just watch one and record another. And what about recording two channels at the same time? This is something that you can do with a Tivo if you have two of them. LOL! -- Tumbleweed Remove theobvious before replying (but no email reply necessary to newsgroups) |
Nigel Barker said this:
And what about recording two channels at the same time? This is something that you can do with a Tivo if you have two of them. Are you saying you can't do it with two Sky+ boxes? Pretty soon, having two Sky+ boxes will mean you can record *four* channels at the same time. For dual recording, you could have 2 Tivos + 2 digiboxes = 4 boxes under the TV. or: 1 Sky+ box = 1 box under the TV. Then, with the Tivo route you'd have all the trouble of switching your TV between four different inputs depending on what you want to watch. It's a painful procedure, requiring you to remember about how you've got all the spaghetti wired up, which box is doing what at a particular time and which ones can you use to do whatever it is you want to do with them. You'd need to get out a pencil and some paper and strategically plan every recording you make. As I'm sure you're aware by now, to do the same with Sky+ all you'll have to do is choose the programmes you want to record via the EPG. The box does the rest for you. So you can use two separate Tivos to record two separate programmes from two separate digiboxes This is all very fiddly. Wouldn't it be better to do it all within one box? What if you wanted to watch a programme but couldn't remember which Tivo you'd recorded it on? It's like using video tapes all over again. Personally, I'd like to keep all my recordings in one box. I'm sure the vast majority of sane people would agree. One of the major selling points of PVRs is that all your programmes are there - just a button press away. |
"Nigel Barker" wrote in message ... And what about recording two channels at the same time? This is something that you can do with a Tivo if you have two of them. You cannot do this with a single Sky+ box even though it has been promised almost since they launched the product.So you can use two separate Tivos to record two separate programmes from two separate digiboxes or even as per Jomtien watch two live channels at once on two separate TVs (or on one if your set can use external input for PIP). And with 100 tivos and 100 hundred digiboxs you could record 100 channels! Whoppee! Loz |
"Bigarbel" wrote in message ... And what about recording two channels at the same time? Don't really see the advantage as almost everything is repeated at least once at one time or another; so you get another chance to get what you want. Easy to find alternatives with my TIVO, by the way BUt then you have to wait. If you dont mind waiting, who needs a recording capability at all? There have also been several things I wanted to see recently that arent being repeated, at least not within digiguide's span (not sure how far in advance that goes). However, I am intrigued by your suggestion that having a Tivo makes it easy to find 'alternatives'. What does that mean, and how does that apply if I want to watch programme X, series 7, episode 23 which, lets say, isnt repeated. Will it record episode 22 instead and point out its only .6% different? -- Tumbleweed Remove theobvious before replying (but no email reply necessary to newsgroups) |
Nigel Barker wrote:
watch two live channels at once on two separate TVs (or on one if your set can use external input for PIP). Mine does. :-) I can watch one Sky digital channel and see a PIP of another. Not many Sky+ users can do that. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/guiv How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/ BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
Tumbleweed wrote:
This is something that you can do with a Tivo if you have two of them. LOL! That wasn't a joke. The Tivo was designed with a view to possibly having two in the same room. They have programmable remote codes that allow two Tivos to operate side by side without any interference from the remote controls. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/guiv How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/ BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
Dale Richards wrote:
This is something that you can do with a Tivo if you have two of them. Are you saying you can't do it with two Sky+ boxes? Pretty soon, having two Sky+ boxes will mean you can record *four* channels at the same time. The two Sky+ units won't work properly due to IR signal conflicts. The Tivo has an addressable IR code that allows for two boxes to work side-by-side. My Echostar has this too. As I'm sure you're aware by now, to do the same with Sky+ all you'll have to do is choose the programmes you want to record via the EPG. The box does the rest for you. Exactly as with the Tivo, only Tivo does it more reliably and over a longer time. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/guiv How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/ BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
Dale Richards wrote:
Depending on the Sky package you have (and I have no Sky package at all so the cost question doesn't even arise) it may cost no more to have a mirror sub than it does to have a Sky+. With a mirror sub you can dedicate one box to your Tivo (this is what I do, but without the Sky sub) and this way of course you can do more than the Sky+ can because you can actually watch two live channels at once, and not just watch one and record another. And what about recording two channels at the same time? You can do that also if you have another recording device (VCR, DVD burner, second Tivo, non-Sky sat PVR for the BBC channels). Recording two things at once isn't something that I need to do at all often, if ever. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/guiv How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/ BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
SoulSurvivor wrote:
The Panasonic DMR-E100 (or is it E80) records in DD5.1. Good. I've been waiting for this feature to become available before buying such a recorder. I suppose that they'll all have it soon. I see that Philips have a DVD/DivX player now. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/guiv How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/ BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
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Jomtien said this:
As I'm sure you're aware by now, to do the same with Sky+ all you'll have to do is choose the programmes you want to record via the EPG. The box does the rest for you. Exactly as with the Tivo, only Tivo does it more reliably and over a longer time. You should read posts before you reply to them. I was talking about dual recording. This is not possible with a Tivo, and never will be. |
Dale Richards wrote:
You should read posts before you reply to them. I was talking about dual recording. You were talking about a lot of things. Perhaps you should be more clear in what you write. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/guiv How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/ BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
"Jomtien" wrote in message ... Dale Richards wrote: Depending on the Sky package you have (and I have no Sky package at all so the cost question doesn't even arise) it may cost no more to have a mirror sub than it does to have a Sky+. With a mirror sub you can dedicate one box to your Tivo (this is what I do, but without the Sky sub) and this way of course you can do more than the Sky+ can because you can actually watch two live channels at once, and not just watch one and record another. And what about recording two channels at the same time? You can do that also if you have another recording device (VCR, DVD burner, second Tivo, non-Sky sat PVR for the BBC channels). Recording two things at once isn't something that I need to do at all often, if ever. BUt for some of us, its a key requirement. AT the time I made my Sky+ choice, Tivo was (just) an option, and the resaon I dint pick it was this. FWIW was the TIvo life time sub for all your Tivo boxes, or was it one per box? -- Tumbleweed Remove theobvious before replying (but no email reply necessary to newsgroups) |
Tumbleweed wrote:
FWIW was the TIvo life time sub for all your Tivo boxes, or was it one per box? One per box. I have only one. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/guiv How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/ BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
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