Jomtien said this:

2) If I cant record what I want because there is a channel clash,
the fact the Tivo does it better is, well.....irrelevant. You can
tell me how much better it would have been while you twiddle your
thumbs, while I watch the recording I made!

Depending on the Sky package you have (and I have no Sky package at
all so the cost question doesn't even arise) it may cost no more to
have a mirror sub than it does to have a Sky+. With a mirror sub you
can dedicate one box to your Tivo (this is what I do, but without the
Sky sub) and this way of course you can do more than the Sky+ can
because you can actually watch two live channels at once, and not just
watch one and record another.

And what about recording two channels at the same time?

On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:39:40 +0100, "Dale Richards"
wrote:

Jomtien said this:

2) If I cant record what I want because there is a channel clash,
the fact the Tivo does it better is, well.....irrelevant. You can
tell me how much better it would have been while you twiddle your
thumbs, while I watch the recording I made!

Depending on the Sky package you have (and I have no Sky package at
all so the cost question doesn't even arise) it may cost no more to
have a mirror sub than it does to have a Sky+. With a mirror sub you
can dedicate one box to your Tivo (this is what I do, but without the
Sky sub) and this way of course you can do more than the Sky+ can
because you can actually watch two live channels at once, and not just
watch one and record another.

And what about recording two channels at the same time?


This is something that you can do with a Tivo if you have two of them. You
cannot do this with a single Sky+ box even though it has been promised almost
since they launched the product.So you can use two separate Tivos to record two
separate programmes from two separate digiboxes or even as per Jomtien watch two
live channels at once on two separate TVs (or on one if your set can use
external input for PIP).

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The Panasonic DMR-E100 (or is it E80) records in DD5.1. I aint rich
enough to buy it though! Stick to my HS2 for now.

M


Jomtien wrote in message . ..
SoulSurvivor wrote:

Downside is that if your Sky box doesnt support 5.1, you'll just get
normal 2 channel stereo recorded.

Even if you do have a Sky+ box with DD5.1 out the Panasonic can't
record it. You need to wait for the Kiss recorder that apparently will
be able to record DD5.1.


Also, you can't watch
one sky program and record another, only record from Sky and watch the
terrestrial channels (BBC1, ITV etc).

You can if you invest in a Sky mirror sub. I think that this is a
better deal than the Sky+.

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"Nigel Barker" wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:39:40 +0100, "Dale Richards"
wrote:

Jomtien said this:

2) If I cant record what I want because there is a channel clash,
the fact the Tivo does it better is, well.....irrelevant. You can
tell me how much better it would have been while you twiddle your
thumbs, while I watch the recording I made!

Depending on the Sky package you have (and I have no Sky package at
all so the cost question doesn't even arise) it may cost no more to
have a mirror sub than it does to have a Sky+. With a mirror sub you
can dedicate one box to your Tivo (this is what I do, but without the
Sky sub) and this way of course you can do more than the Sky+ can
because you can actually watch two live channels at once, and not just
watch one and record another.

And what about recording two channels at the same time?


This is something that you can do with a Tivo if you have two of them.

LOL!

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newsgroups)

Nigel Barker said this:

And what about recording two channels at the same time?


This is something that you can do with a Tivo if you have two of
them.

Are you saying you can't do it with two Sky+ boxes? Pretty soon, having two
Sky+ boxes will mean you can record *four* channels at the same time.

For dual recording, you could have 2 Tivos + 2 digiboxes = 4 boxes under the
TV.

or: 1 Sky+ box = 1 box under the TV.

Then, with the Tivo route you'd have all the trouble of switching your TV
between four different inputs depending on what you want to watch. It's a
painful procedure, requiring you to remember about how you've got all the
spaghetti wired up,
which box is doing what at a particular time and which ones can you use to
do whatever it is you want to do with them. You'd need to get out a pencil
and some paper and strategically plan every recording you make.

As I'm sure you're aware by now, to do the same with Sky+ all you'll have to
do is choose the programmes you want to record via the EPG. The box does the
rest for you.

So you can use two separate Tivos to record two
separate programmes from two separate digiboxes

This is all very fiddly. Wouldn't it be better to do it all within one box?
What if you wanted to watch a programme but couldn't remember which Tivo
you'd recorded it on? It's like using video tapes all over again.

Personally, I'd like to keep all my recordings in one box. I'm sure the vast
majority of sane people would agree. One of the major selling points of PVRs
is that all your programmes are there - just a button press away.

"Nigel Barker" wrote in message
...
And what about recording two channels at the same time?


This is something that you can do with a Tivo if you have two of them. You
cannot do this with a single Sky+ box even though it has been promised almost
since they launched the product.So you can use two separate Tivos to record
two
separate programmes from two separate digiboxes or even as per Jomtien watch
two
live channels at once on two separate TVs (or on one if your set can use
external input for PIP).

And with 100 tivos and 100 hundred digiboxs you could record 100 channels!
Whoppee!

Loz

"Bigarbel" wrote in message
...
And what about recording two channels at the same time?

Don't really see the advantage as almost everything is repeated at
least once at one time or another; so you get another chance to get
what you want.
Easy to find alternatives with my TIVO, by the way

BUt then you have to wait. If you dont mind waiting, who needs a recording
capability at all? There have also been several things I wanted to see
recently that arent being repeated, at least not within digiguide's span
(not sure how far in advance that goes).

However, I am intrigued by your suggestion that having a Tivo makes it easy
to find 'alternatives'. What does that mean, and how does that apply if I
want to watch programme X, series 7, episode 23 which, lets say, isnt
repeated. Will it record episode 22 instead and point out its only .6%
different?

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Nigel Barker wrote:

watch two
live channels at once on two separate TVs (or on one if your set can use
external input for PIP).

Mine does. :-)
I can watch one Sky digital channel and see a PIP of another. Not many
Sky+ users can do that.

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Tumbleweed wrote:

This is something that you can do with a Tivo if you have two of them.

LOL!

That wasn't a joke. The Tivo was designed with a view to possibly
having two in the same room. They have programmable remote codes that
allow two Tivos to operate side by side without any interference from
the remote controls.

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The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/guiv
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
----
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Dale Richards wrote:

This is something that you can do with a Tivo if you have two of
them.

Are you saying you can't do it with two Sky+ boxes? Pretty soon, having two
Sky+ boxes will mean you can record *four* channels at the same time.

The two Sky+ units won't work properly due to IR signal conflicts. The
Tivo has an addressable IR code that allows for two boxes to work
side-by-side. My Echostar has this too.


As I'm sure you're aware by now, to do the same with Sky+ all you'll have to
do is choose the programmes you want to record via the EPG. The box does the
rest for you.

Exactly as with the Tivo, only Tivo does it more reliably and over a
longer time.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/guiv
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)