FTV-ers - Get FTV P2 cards for ?5 one-off fee
 

www.kernow-telecom.co.uk said this:

All it will cost you is the £5 once off registration fee.

This is true, except for the fact that it is false.

Dale Richards wrote:

All it will cost you is the £5 once off registration fee.

This is true, except for the fact that it is false.

So what else will it cost?

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"Dale Richards" wrote in message
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www.kernow-telecom.co.uk said this:

All it will cost you is the £5 once off registration fee.

This is true, except for the fact that it is false.

It's only false because he gave the wrong URL, omit the full stop at the
end.
It does work, I'm aware of at least three people including myself with the
new card.

Bob

Jomtien wrote:
Dale Richards wrote:


All it will cost you is the £5 once off registration fee.

This is true, except for the fact that it is false.


So what else will it cost?

i think he means you dont usuaally have to pay anything:-) just wait for
the registration to fail.

Dave Stanley wrote:
It does work, I'm aware of at least three people including myself
with the new card.


Me too!

Make that 5 !

"Dale Richards" wrote in message
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Bob Smith said this:

"Dale Richards" wrote in message
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www.kernow-telecom.co.uk said this:

All it will cost you is the £5 once off registration fee.

This is true, except for the fact that it is false.

It's only false because he gave the wrong URL, omit the full stop at
the end.
It does work, I'm aware of at least three people including myself
with the new card.

The rest of the post was true, it's the bit I quoted that's false. It
doesn't cost a penny.

I signed up yesterday morning, and I was expecting to see a different
message appear on the screen...(Thought I have read somewhere that the
message changes after sign-up to something about not being authorised, but
it hasn't happened here. Should I get a different message to the the
standard 'Your viewing of some channels will soon cease'.. etc etc The
sign-up failed according to the website.... Comments?

I think you will find that this onl;y works with ex subscription cards p1 ,
if you have a solus P1, sky wouldn't have your address to send out the card

or if you have moved like me , it would go to the last subscription address



"

"Dale Richards" wrote in message
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Tony said this:

I signed up yesterday morning, and I was expecting to see a different
message appear on the screen...(Thought I have read somewhere that the
message changes after sign-up to something about not being
authorised, but it hasn't happened here. Should I get a different
message to the the standard 'Your viewing of some channels will soon
cease'.. etc etc The sign-up failed according to the website....
Comments?

I'm getting the same "not authorised" message that others reported, but
only
after I left that card in the switched-on digibox overnight.

Since you signed up, have you lost ITV1, C4, and five? Is it these channels
that are reporting the 'not authorised' message?

Tony

"IOOA" wrote in message
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I think you will find that this onl;y works with ex subscription cards p1
,
if you have a solus P1, sky wouldn't have your address to send out the
card

or if you have moved like me , it would go to the last subscription
address


Someone wrote in this group, that they have had four cards replaced, how
could this have worked if they only accept ex-sky sub cards? Surely they
didn't have four ex-sub sky cards?

Tony

Tony said this:

"Dale Richards" wrote in message
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Tony said this:

I signed up yesterday morning, and I was expecting to see a
different message appear on the screen...(Thought I have read
somewhere that the message changes after sign-up to something about
not being
authorised, but it hasn't happened here. Should I get a different
message to the the standard 'Your viewing of some channels will soon
cease'.. etc etc The sign-up failed according to the website....
Comments?

I'm getting the same "not authorised" message that others reported,
but only after I left that card in the switched-on digibox overnight.

Since you signed up, have you lost ITV1, C4, and five? Is it these
channels that are reporting the 'not authorised' message?

Yes.

IOOA said this:

I think you will find that this onl;y works with ex subscription
cards p1 , if you have a solus P1, sky wouldn't have your address to
send out the card

No, this is with Solus cards. It seems that "Sky Subscriber Services Ltd."
(SSSL) were responsible for issuing these FTV cards.

Tony said this:

"Tony" wrote in message
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"Dale Richards" wrote in message
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Tony said this:

I signed up yesterday morning, and I was expecting to see a
different message appear on the screen...(Thought I have read
somewhere that the message changes after sign-up to something
about not being authorised, but it hasn't happened here. Should I
get a different message to the the standard 'Your viewing of some
channels will soon cease'.. etc etc The sign-up failed according
to the website.... Comments?

I'm getting the same "not authorised" message that others reported,
but only after I left that card in the switched-on digibox
overnight.

Since you signed up, have you lost ITV1, C4, and five? Is it these
channels that are reporting the 'not authorised' message?

Tony


Does the phone line have to be connected after doing the online
registration in order to get the new card?

No.

I cant understand why a
FTV card cannot be replaced with this method..

It can.

I genuinely would like
to subscribe to Pout TV, and don't appear to be able to do so.

I have yet to try this.

"Dale Richards" wrote in message
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Tony said this:

"Tony" wrote in message
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"Dale Richards" wrote in message
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Tony said this:

I signed up yesterday morning, and I was expecting to see a
different message appear on the screen...(Thought I have read
somewhere that the message changes after sign-up to something
about not being authorised, but it hasn't happened here. Should I
get a different message to the the standard 'Your viewing of some
channels will soon cease'.. etc etc The sign-up failed according
to the website.... Comments?

I'm getting the same "not authorised" message that others reported,
but only after I left that card in the switched-on digibox
overnight.

Since you signed up, have you lost ITV1, C4, and five? Is it these
channels that are reporting the 'not authorised' message?

Tony


Does the phone line have to be connected after doing the online
registration in order to get the new card?

No.

I cant understand why a
FTV card cannot be replaced with this method..

It can.

I genuinely would like
to subscribe to Pout TV, and don't appear to be able to do so.

I have yet to try this.

Well it looks like the rules must have changed then, cos I ain't got any
'not authorised' message on ITV1 and I have tried the sign up twice now.
Perhaps they have changed the system. : - ((

The FTV card number starts with 089, is this a problem?

Should I ring them up and ask why it doesn't work...

Tony

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 08:14:03 GMT, Chris p
wrote:

Jomtien wrote:
Dale Richards wrote:


All it will cost you is the £5 once off registration fee.

This is true, except for the fact that it is false.


So what else will it cost?

i think he means you dont usuaally have to pay anything:-) just wait for
the registration to fail.


What is to stop them from charging the 5 pounds after they have sent
out the new card?

Salvador Freemanson wrote:

What is to stop them from charging the 5 pounds after they have sent
out the new card?

Nothing.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/guiv
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Salvador Freemanson said this:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 08:14:03 GMT, Chris p
wrote:

Jomtien wrote:
Dale Richards wrote:


All it will cost you is the £5 once off registration fee.

This is true, except for the fact that it is false.


So what else will it cost?

i think he means you dont usuaally have to pay anything:-) just wait
for the registration to fail.


What is to stop them from charging the 5 pounds after they have sent
out the new card?

The law.

Dale Richards wrote:

What is to stop them from charging the 5 pounds after they have sent
out the new card?

The law.

What law? You undertake to pay £5 registration fee when you sign up.
Why shouldn't they charge it?

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/guiv
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Jomtien said this:

Dale Richards wrote:

What is to stop them from charging the 5 pounds after they have sent
out the new card?

The law.

What law? You undertake to pay £5 registration fee when you sign up.
Why shouldn't they charge it?

Because they don't provide the service. I'm no law expert, but I'm pretty
sure companies aren't allowed to charge you for a service unless they
actually provide it.

Dale Richards wrote:

What is to stop them from charging the 5 pounds after they have sent
out the new card?

The law.

What law? You undertake to pay £5 registration fee when you sign up.
Why shouldn't they charge it?

Because they don't provide the service. I'm no law expert, but I'm pretty
sure companies aren't allowed to charge you for a service unless they
actually provide it.

They certainly are providing the service. The service is registration
for Pout. You are registered when you phone and ask to be, so they can
bill you for it. The card is provided free of charge by Sky.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/guiv
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:37:36 GMT, Jomtien wrote:

They certainly are providing the service. The service is registration
for Pout. You are registered when you phone and ask to be, so they can
bill you for it. The card is provided free of charge by Sky.

Yes, but the whole point of this is that the initial registration with
Pout fails because of the out of date card. That triggers Sky to send
you a new card. At that point you have to phone Pout to register with
the new card, you can't access Pout with the new card until you do so.

At least that's my understanding of the situation...
--
Andy Norman
http://www.norman.cx/

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:42:47 +0100, Andrew Norman
wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:37:36 GMT, Jomtien wrote:

They certainly are providing the service. The service is registration
for Pout. You are registered when you phone and ask to be, so they can
bill you for it. The card is provided free of charge by Sky.

Yes, but the whole point of this is that the initial registration with
Pout fails because of the out of date card. That triggers Sky to send
you a new card. At that point you have to phone Pout to register with
the new card, you can't access Pout with the new card until you do so.

At least that's my understanding of the situation...

That certainly seems to be the case with my new card.

--
QrizB

I sound like I know what I'm talking about, but don't
be fooled.

Andrew Norman wrote:

They certainly are providing the service. The service is registration
for Pout. You are registered when you phone and ask to be, so they can
bill you for it. The card is provided free of charge by Sky.

Yes, but the whole point of this is that the initial registration with
Pout fails because of the out of date card. That triggers Sky to send
you a new card. At that point you have to phone Pout to register with
the new card, you can't access Pout with the new card until you do so.

How does this effect the legality of the charge? The charge is purely
for registering, not for card provision or service.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/guiv
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Tony wrote:
"Dale Richards" wrote in message
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Tony said this:
[snip]
Well it looks like the rules must have changed then, cos I ain't got
any 'not authorised' message on ITV1 and I have tried the sign up
twice now. Perhaps they have changed the system. : - ((

The FTV card number starts with 089, is this a problem?

Should I ring them up and ask why it doesn't work...
Its vital when trying to register with pout on-line to use the exact address Sky thinks the card is at.
You only know you've got it right when the V1 card becomes "unauthorised" but this took 24hours for one of my FTV cards. Another one I tried was turned off within 2 hours.
If the V1 card was originally sent by Sky to an address other than your current one then you must use that address.
If you don't know what it was because e.g. you bought a FTV setup off ebay, then you are stuffed.

Jomtien said this:

Andrew Norman wrote:

They certainly are providing the service. The service is
registration for Pout. You are registered when you phone and ask to
be, so they can bill you for it. The card is provided free of
charge by Sky.

Yes, but the whole point of this is that the initial registration
with Pout fails because of the out of date card. That triggers Sky
to send you a new card. At that point you have to phone Pout to
register with the new card, you can't access Pout with the new card
until you do so.

How does this effect the legality of the charge? The charge is purely
for registering,

The customer is told clearly that the registration has failed.

Dale Richards wrote:

How does this effect the legality of the charge? The charge is purely
for registering,

The customer is told clearly that the registration has failed.

And at a later time it works and you get billed. What's the problem?

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/guiv
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Andrew Norman wrote:

How does this effect the legality of the charge? The charge is purely
for registering,

The customer is told clearly that the registration has failed.

And at a later time it works and you get billed. What's the problem?

That's the point though, when the user receives the new card (from
Sky, it doesn't come from Pout) it will not be able to be used to
access the Pout service. At that point the user has to contact Pout
and re-register using the new card.

And at which point he will be billed the £5. I see no problem here.
No-one is being billed for anything that they didn't ask for.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/guiv
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Andrew Norman wrote:
That's the point though, when the user receives the new card (from
Sky, it doesn't come from Pout) it will not be able to be used to
access the Pout service. At that point the user has to contact Pout
and re-register using the new card.

The phone number on the new card is for Red Hot TV, I assume they own Pout.

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 07:19:00 GMT, Jomtien wrote:

Andrew Norman wrote:

How does this effect the legality of the charge? The charge is purely
for registering,

The customer is told clearly that the registration has failed.

And at a later time it works and you get billed. What's the problem?

That's the point though, when the user receives the new card (from
Sky, it doesn't come from Pout) it will not be able to be used to
access the Pout service. At that point the user has to contact Pout
and re-register using the new card.

And at which point he will be billed the £5. I see no problem here.
No-one is being billed for anything that they didn't ask for.

Ok, to the question:

"What is to stop them from charging the 5 pounds after they have sent
out the new card?"

You replied:

"Nothing."

My point is that if:

- the customer attempts to register with Pout
- registration fails
- is sent card free by Sky
- customer finds that card works for ITV, C5 etc
- therefore does not attempt to re-register with Pout and therefore
cannot receive the Pout service

Then Pout have no grounds for charging the customer:

- the customer is not registered with Pout (they were clearly told
that they had failed to register for their service)
- the customer cannot at this point access the Pout serice without
contacting Pout again, reproviding their new Sky card number and
payment details and being told their registration has failed
- Pout have not provided the customer with any service, as you said
yourself it is Sky who sent the new card free of charge
--
Andy Norman
http://www.norman.cx/

On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 05:39:07 GMT, Jomtien wrote:

The fee is not for service it is for registration. The fact that they
may get an onscreen message saying that registration failed doesn't
mean that it really did fail or that some automated later attempt
won't succeed, at which time they may well be charged. As long as they
asked for registration (which they did by clicking on the button) and
got it (at some point) then it is entirely correct for them to be
charged once they have it. Actually getting a card or getting PPV
service has nothing to do with registration. Of course, distance

I disagree, but I think it is time to agree to differ ;-)

P.S. not that it really matters either way, after all it is only a
fiver
--
Andy Norman
http://www.norman.cx/

Just tried the pout trick, and was surprised to hear that my digibox had
to be connected to the phoneline. I was told that there was no way
around it !!!
The only way that I would be able to get a new viewing card was to
subscribe for at least 3 months ;-(
desperate as I am - I had to do it !!!
Ah well, 26 quid for a new viewing card is better than no 3,4 and 5 at
all I suppose !!!!!

STEPHEN

stephen said this:

Just tried the pout trick, and was surprised to hear that my digibox
had to be connected to the phoneline. I was told that there was no way
around it !!!

You weren't supposed to phone them. You should have read some of the posts
on here about it.