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Dan Brusca August 19th 03 04:27 PM

David Blaine at it again
 
From Ananova:

"David Blaine is to spend six weeks without food in a clear-plexi glass
box by the River Thames.

The magician will be suspended from a crane in the box, just seven feet
deep, seven feet long and three feet wide.

He'll have no food, no communication and no distractions of any kind. He
will be tube-fed water and have a waste tube to urinate.

Last year Blaine stood on a 100ft high pole in New York for 35 hours and
in another stunt encased himself in six tons of ice for three days.

But this is the first time he's ever attempted a major stunt outside of
the US. He said: "My next performance will demonstrate these ideas
through the most extreme exercise in isolation and physical deprivation
ever attempted. There will be no trickery and no means of escape."

Sky One will be showing the event live as he enters the glass box on
Friday 5th September at 8pm and live on Sunday 19th October at 9pm when
he completes his challenge.

Sky One will be streaming live coverage of the event continuously on its
Active service, which can be accessed by Sky digital subscribers by
pressing the red button.

Channel 4 will be streaming the whole event live on a special website
and will be filming the event for broadcast as part of their Magic Month
season in October."


Yeah, well done Sky. Streaming a guy sat in a box for 6 weeks, great TV ;)

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Zonky August 19th 03 05:03 PM

"...David..." wrote in news:bhtdlk$agb$1
@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk:

I like to think of myself as not being too gullable, but who says it was
fake and if so, what was the trickery?
He was in front of the cameras all the way through it - how could he have
cheated?


very hour the ice was blasted with "dry ice" to "keep it cool". Actually,
to allow him to swap via the trapdoor with the body double below.

Z.

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...David... August 19th 03 05:11 PM

very hour the ice was blasted with "dry ice" to "keep it cool". Actually,
to allow him to swap via the trapdoor with the body double below.


Well bugger me...thats sly. Weren't the camera on him 24/7 though...couldn't
people see it was someone else?



Chris S August 19th 03 05:28 PM


very hour the ice was blasted with "dry ice" to "keep it cool". Actually,
to allow him to swap via the trapdoor with the body double below.


ah! , someones been watching "Worlds greatest magic tricks revealed" or
whatever it's called on Sky1 ! , apparenty according to that program all
these magic levitations are done with fork lift trucks! ...which instead of
smootly gliding into the air, made the assistant wobble all over the place
in their "reconstruction", hmm !



MichaelJP August 19th 03 05:28 PM

"David Blaine is to spend six weeks without food in a clear-plexi glass
box by the River Thames.


Couldn't that be "in the River Thames" ? At least then we wouldn't have to
look at the stupid idiot for six weeks.

- Michael



Zonky August 19th 03 05:42 PM

"Chris S" wrote in
:

ah! , someones been watching "Worlds greatest magic tricks revealed"
or whatever it's called on Sky1 ! , apparenty according to that
program all these magic levitations are done with fork lift trucks!
...which instead of smootly gliding into the air, made the assistant
wobble all over the place in their "reconstruction", hmm !


Er... not i.

But actually, all Blaine does in his street magic is a Balducci levitation-
google it for info on how it works. However, the **** does use complete
camera tricks in his tv representation of this.

Z.

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Dan Brusca August 19th 03 06:14 PM

But actually, all Blaine does in his street magic is a Balducci levitation-
google it for info on how it works. However, the **** does use complete
camera tricks in his tv representation of this.


Wait, you mean he doesn't really levitate?!?!?!

Seriously, the fact it's all a *trick* shouldn't surprise anyone.

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Zonky August 19th 03 06:21 PM

Dan Brusca wrote in :


Seriously, the fact it's all a *trick* shouldn't surprise anyone.


Nothing wrong with doing a balducci levitation.

Plenty wrong with using a camera edit to achieve levitation.

Z.

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Dan Brusca August 19th 03 06:23 PM

Nothing wrong with doing a balducci levitation.

Plenty wrong with using a camera edit to achieve levitation.


Such as?

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Brendan DJ Murphy August 19th 03 06:46 PM

Aren't ALL tricks fake?

Do you really believe a magician can actually saw people in half and put
them back together again?
It is probably nothing more than a very clever illusion.

Brendan

"Doug Ellison" wrote in message
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Yeah, well done Sky. Streaming a guy sat in a box for 6 weeks, great TV

;)

Dont believe it for one minutes. His ice trick was a fake - this will be a
fake as well

Doug





Zonky August 19th 03 07:00 PM

"Brendan DJ Murphy" wrote in news:bhtk9o$jrd$1
@hercules.btinternet.com:


Aren't ALL tricks fake?

Do you really believe a magician can actually saw people in half and put
them back together again?
It is probably nothing more than a very clever illusion.

Brendan


That is to say, Mr Blaine's "stunts" are illusions rather than feat's of
endurance.

Z.

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Dom Robinson August 19th 03 08:22 PM

In article , says...
Channel 4 will be streaming the whole event live on a special website
and will be filming the event for broadcast as part of their Magic Month
season in October."

Sounds mildly more exciting than the entire coverage of BB4.
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Dom Robinson August 19th 03 08:34 PM

In article ,
says...
"David Blaine is to spend six weeks without food in a clear-plexi glass
box by the River Thames.


Couldn't that be "in the River Thames" ? At least then we wouldn't have to
look at the stupid idiot for six weeks.

You really shouldn't make such 'glub' remarks... very glub, glub, glub....
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Col August 19th 03 09:41 PM


"Doug Ellison" wrote in message
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Bit of make up, looking thru a great big slab of ice? Piece of ****


Now there's an idea, get him to stand inside a great big frozen piece of ****.

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Vince August 19th 03 09:49 PM

"Dan Brusca" wrote
Nothing wrong with doing a balducci levitation.

Plenty wrong with using a camera edit to achieve levitation.


Such as?


Bloody hell - even Paul Daniels would never use camera trickery; There's no
skill at all (except from the editor).

Do you think "The Matrix" was magic?



Ant August 19th 03 10:49 PM

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:27:37 +0100, Dan Brusca
wrote:

"David Blaine is to spend six weeks without food in a clear-plexi glass
box by the River Thames.


Gets my vote.


Ant August 19th 03 10:55 PM

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:23:58 +0100, Dan Brusca
wrote:

Plenty wrong with using a camera edit to achieve levitation.


Such as?


A good trick is fun to watch, even if you know how it's done.

Seeing David Blaine waving his hands about and then jump-cutting to
the hysterical reaction of the onlookers - while not showing any
actual "trick" at all - is just crap.


Dan Brusca August 19th 03 11:00 PM

Bloody hell - even Paul Daniels would never use camera trickery; There's no
skill at all (except from the editor).

Do you think "The Matrix" was magic?


Do you think either are anything but entertainment?

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Gareth August 20th 03 03:31 AM

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:55:00 GMT, (Ant)
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:23:58 +0100, Dan Brusca
wrote:

Plenty wrong with using a camera edit to achieve levitation.


Such as?


A good trick is fun to watch, even if you know how it's done.

Seeing David Blaine waving his hands about and then jump-cutting to
the hysterical reaction of the onlookers - while not showing any
actual "trick" at all - is just crap.


No, they do show the levitation but apparently they ask the people to
watch again and see "how it could have been done" - then shoot the
scene from behind them so the camera can show a convincing shot. All
the second shots I have seen are from elbow height, so it could have
been re-shot with actors anyway.

Gareth


Nick Austin August 20th 03 06:36 AM

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 04:40:40 +0100, Izo Mezzo wrote:

Are you sure about Paul Daniels? IIRC he made en elephant 'disappear'
once in a tent or such. I'm sure that involves camera trickery (moving
the whole camera rig to a duplicate set next to the original).


It was a large mirror trick. Only the mirror moved.

Nick.


Brian Watson August 20th 03 09:14 AM


"Izo Mezzo" wrote in message
...
Meanwhile lurking by a stone in the mud, two eyes looked to see
what I was and then Vince spoke and this is what they said to me.......


"Dan Brusca" wrote


Bloody hell - even Paul Daniels would never use camera trickery; There's

no
skill at all (except from the editor).


Are you sure about Paul Daniels? IIRC he made en elephant 'disappear'
once in a tent or such. I'm sure that involves camera trickery (moving
the whole camera rig to a duplicate set next to the original).


If that was before he teamed up with The Lovely Debbie McGee and was working
with Lisa Reilly, I think I can guess where the elephant went.

--
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"There's a lot of stuff going on that we don't understand." - MC57



Gareth August 20th 03 12:51 PM

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:28:10 +0100, "MichaelJP"
wrote:

"David Blaine is to spend six weeks without food in a clear-plexi glass
box by the River Thames.


Couldn't that be "in the River Thames" ? At least then we wouldn't have to
look at the stupid idiot for six weeks.


After his tower "feat" he said his next one would be to recreate
Houdini's trick where he was cuffed/chained/bagged and locked in a box
and thrown in the Thames and escaped after a couple of minutes.

When I heard what he was now going to do I must say I was disappointed
- he must have thought this was easier or less risky.

The previous two feats are easily possible by anybody with suffient
fitness and willpower, yet this one seems somewhat more risky if it
were done genuinely. Considering the scale of trickery involved in his
"Street Magic" I think this one will be an illusion. It will be
interesting to see exactly how it will be performed, how closely the
cameras can examine the "cell", and how well it is lit at night. Right
now I can imagine that liquid food is fed down the centre of the cable
suspening the cell, and he has a port where he can eat if when
instructed by a hidden radio. Where it ends up is a good question!

I would probably schedule a trip to London around that time and have a
look for myself!

Gareth


MattLB August 20th 03 02:10 PM

Gareth wrote:

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:55:00 GMT, (Ant)
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:23:58 +0100, Dan Brusca
wrote:

Plenty wrong with using a camera edit to achieve levitation.

Such as?


A good trick is fun to watch, even if you know how it's done.

Seeing David Blaine waving his hands about and then jump-cutting to
the hysterical reaction of the onlookers - while not showing any
actual "trick" at all - is just crap.


No, they do show the levitation but apparently they ask the people to
watch again and see "how it could have been done" - then shoot the
scene from behind them so the camera can show a convincing shot. All
the second shots I have seen are from elbow height, so it could have
been re-shot with actors anyway.


It *is* reshot with actors, and a big crane to hoist him up on cables.

MattLB

Nadia August 20th 03 05:07 PM

Dan Brusca wrote in message ...
From Ananova:


snip

At the end, he'll get a female assistant to release him. "Can you feel
that? Can you feel the magic? It's coming. Can you feel the magic
coming? Here it comes... oh there it is...." Either that, or he'll
battle Jesus....

Nadia

Thanatos August 20th 03 06:25 PM

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:10:38 +0100, MattLB
wrote:

No, they do show the levitation but apparently they ask the people to
watch again and see "how it could have been done" - then shoot the
scene from behind them so the camera can show a convincing shot. All
the second shots I have seen are from elbow height, so it could have
been re-shot with actors anyway.


It *is* reshot with actors, and a big crane to hoist him up on cables.


I thought it was done with real people, reacting to him doing the
Balducci levitation (they are *very* carefully positioned behind him,
so that he really does appear to levitate a few inches off the
ground). They then film him being hoisted up by a crane, on the same
street. Finally they splice the crane shot with the reaction shot
from the original folks on the street. That's how I'd heard it,
anyway.


MattLB August 20th 03 06:39 PM



Thanatos wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:10:38 +0100, MattLB
wrote:

No, they do show the levitation but apparently they ask the people to
watch again and see "how it could have been done" - then shoot the
scene from behind them so the camera can show a convincing shot. All
the second shots I have seen are from elbow height, so it could have
been re-shot with actors anyway.


It *is* reshot with actors, and a big crane to hoist him up on cables.


I thought it was done with real people, reacting to him doing the
Balducci levitation (they are *very* carefully positioned behind him,
so that he really does appear to levitate a few inches off the
ground).


That's true, but the camera doesn't show his feet when he's doing it.
They then cut to the reaction shot, but you don't see what they're
reacting to - a bit like those I can't believe it's not butter ads.

They then film him being hoisted up by a crane, on the same
street.


The key thing is that they dress someone in the same colour top as one
of the original observers and shoot from behind them, but with their
arm, or part of their torso in shot. This way it looks like it's the
same people watching him get 3 feet off the ground (with a crane) as saw
him appear to rise about 1 foot off the ground.

MattLB

Radiohead August 20th 03 07:02 PM


"MattLB" wrote in message
...


Thanatos wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:10:38 +0100, MattLB
wrote:

No, they do show the levitation but apparently they ask the people to
watch again and see "how it could have been done" - then shoot the
scene from behind them so the camera can show a convincing shot. All
the second shots I have seen are from elbow height, so it could have
been re-shot with actors anyway.

It *is* reshot with actors, and a big crane to hoist him up on cables.


I thought it was done with real people, reacting to him doing the
Balducci levitation (they are *very* carefully positioned behind him,
so that he really does appear to levitate a few inches off the
ground).


That's true, but the camera doesn't show his feet when he's doing it.
They then cut to the reaction shot, but you don't see what they're
reacting to - a bit like those I can't believe it's not butter ads.

They then film him being hoisted up by a crane, on the same
street.


The key thing is that they dress someone in the same colour top as one
of the original observers and shoot from behind them, but with their
arm, or part of their torso in shot. This way it looks like it's the
same people watching him get 3 feet off the ground (with a crane) as saw
him appear to rise about 1 foot off the ground.

MattLB


How do you know? And don't say you read it somewhere! It's bizarre how half
this newsgroup has turned into self appointed experts on the life and work
of David Blaine, and the intricacies of TV shooting techniques.



Dale Richards August 20th 03 08:34 PM

Izo Mezzo said this:

At the end, he'll get a female assistant to release him. "Can you
feel that? Can you feel the magic? It's coming. Can you feel the
magic coming? Here it comes... oh there it is...." Either that, or
he'll battle Jesus....

Nadia


Maybe his next trick will be getting hammered onto a crucifix and left
there for a few days.


I'd pay to see that.



grant August 20th 03 08:55 PM


"MattLB" wrote in message
...

That's true, but the camera doesn't show his feet when he's doing it.
They then cut to the reaction shot, but you don't see what they're
reacting to - a bit like those I can't believe it's not butter ads.

They then film him being hoisted up by a crane, on the same
street.


The key thing is that they dress someone in the same colour top as one
of the original observers and shoot from behind them, but with their
arm, or part of their torso in shot. This way it looks like it's the
same people watching him get 3 feet off the ground (with a crane) as

saw
him appear to rise about 1 foot off the ground.

MattLB


Apparently they just use the same people as befo

"...After the Balducci levitation, the producers of the show had these
same people stand by for another taping of the illusion - this time the
camera would shoot from behind the audience members to get a clear view
of Blaine in action. The audience members were told that this second
performance was to show them how magicians could use wires to levitate.
And this is exactly what happened. A small harness and rig (just out of
camera view) was set up and Blaine performed a standard
wire-suspension."
http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/St.../balducci.html




Windy Dick August 20th 03 09:34 PM

"Doug Ellison" wrote in message
...

Yeah, well done Sky. Streaming a guy sat in a box for 6 weeks, great TV

;)

Dont believe it for one minutes. His ice trick was a fake - this will be a
fake as well

Doug


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...David... August 20th 03 10:09 PM

:goes back in time, deletes the name David Blaine and replaces it with
Andi
Peters.


I'm sure they could hammer him onto the other side. I never understood
why they only had one person per crucifix, such a waste of resources.


They should replace the crucifix with the same sort of design as those
rotary washing lines...those aluminium christmas tree constrictions. Because
of it's 3 dimensional nature I recon you could crucify perhaps 8 people at
once, they'd rotate round in the wind (add chimes to their ankles) and,
because of the aluminium, it would be extremely easy to carry up the hill.

A cheaper option perhaps would be to hammer Anti Peters onto David
Blane...it certainly has more versatility and you wouldn't have to go up a
hill to do it either, unless they wanted to, in which case I recon they can
go up a hill.



MattLB August 21st 03 02:47 PM

grant wrote:

"MattLB" wrote in message
...

That's true, but the camera doesn't show his feet when he's doing it.
They then cut to the reaction shot, but you don't see what they're
reacting to - a bit like those I can't believe it's not butter ads.

They then film him being hoisted up by a crane, on the same
street.


The key thing is that they dress someone in the same colour top as one
of the original observers and shoot from behind them, but with their
arm, or part of their torso in shot. This way it looks like it's the
same people watching him get 3 feet off the ground (with a crane) as

saw
him appear to rise about 1 foot off the ground.

MattLB


Apparently they just use the same people as befo

"...After the Balducci levitation, the producers of the show had these
same people stand by for another taping of the illusion - this time the
camera would shoot from behind the audience members to get a clear view
of Blaine in action. The audience members were told that this second
performance was to show them how magicians could use wires to levitate.
And this is exactly what happened. A small harness and rig (just out of
camera view) was set up and Blaine performed a standard
wire-suspension."
http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/St.../balducci.html


That's even sneakier, making the members of the public unwitting
complicit.

MattLB

brian August 23rd 03 09:12 PM

Can we stand out side the box eating burgers.Lets drive him in sane

"Gordon Davie" wrote in message
...
Dan Brusca wrote:
From Ananova:

"David Blaine is to spend six weeks without food in a clear-plexi
glass box by the River Thames.

The magician will be suspended from a crane in the box, just seven
feet deep, seven feet long and three feet wide.


Can we have a phone-in poll on whether we let him out again at the end?
--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

"Slipped the surly bonds of Earth...to touch the face of God"





Brian Watson August 24th 03 10:53 AM


"brian" wrote in message
...
Can we stand out side the box eating burgers.Lets drive him in sane


Alas, too late.

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however it didn't work exactly how I had imagined: "Is anybody there...."
And the planchette moved to: "No"





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