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Jomtien August 6th 03 04:55 PM

Gav wrote:

| Only people
| re-activating an existing sub can cancel after one month.

If you are an "ex subscriber", you CAN subscribe for just ONE month then cancel, there is
NO 12 month minimum contract.


Isn't that what I said?


What happened to the 'effective 13 month period' that you started
talking about earlier in the thread?


That is a different matter. The quote above relates to renewing a
contract that has already run its 12 month minimum course. When you
renew there is no second 12 month minimum.


You seem to have quietly dropped
that claim as the thread has went on and you have been proved wrong.


You clearly can't read. On the contrary, it was demonstrated and
accepted that Sky did indeed require subs to run for 12 months before
accepting a cancellation order, thus making the minimum sub 13 months,
as I said. The only thing that I didn't know was that they had stopped
doing this since. I was delighted to learn this and mentioned at the
time that this would explain why the subject hadn't arisen recently.


If I were you I'd just drop the thread instead of continuing to make
assertions that everything you said was right.


If I were you I would go back and read the messages in question
instead of getting two different subjects mixed up.

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Gav August 6th 03 06:57 PM

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:55:26 GMT, Jomtien wrote:

Gav wrote:

| Only people
| re-activating an existing sub can cancel after one month.

If you are an "ex subscriber", you CAN subscribe for just ONE month then cancel, there is
NO 12 month minimum contract.

Isn't that what I said?


What happened to the 'effective 13 month period' that you started
talking about earlier in the thread?


That is a different matter. The quote above relates to renewing a
contract that has already run its 12 month minimum course. When you
renew there is no second 12 month minimum.


I was talking about what you said way back at the start of the
thread:

"New subs carry a 12 month minimum (in fact a 13 month minimum as Sky
won't accept cancellation notices until the end of the first year,
though this could easily be disputed in court). Only people
re-activating an existing sub can cancel after one month."

You clearly said that all new subs carried an effective 13 month
subscription period. You were wrong. If they ever did, then it
stopped at least a year ago.



You seem to have quietly dropped
that claim as the thread has went on and you have been proved wrong.


You clearly can't read.


Actually, you seem to be the one with the comprehension problem. I
made it quite clear that I was referring to something you said earlier
in the thread. This was in response to your habit of repeatedly
making authorative sounding statements, being brought up on them and
then trying to spin things. I highlighted something that you got
wrong earlier in this very thread as I thought your behaviour was
quite ironic in that light.


On the contrary, it was demonstrated and
accepted that Sky did indeed require subs to run for 12 months before
accepting a cancellation order, thus making the minimum sub 13 months,
as I said. The only thing that I didn't know was that they had stopped
doing this since.


Maybe you should check things out more thoroughly before making
blanket statements then. You did a similar thing with regard to the
need for a telephone line to use a Sky+ box in another thread, which
is why I noticed it when reading this thread.


I was delighted to learn this and mentioned at the
time that this would explain why the subject hadn't arisen recently.


No - I checked back and it's clear you tried to gloss over it and
make out that you were right all along.

quote:
-------------------------------------------
I work at sky's call centre in Dunfermline and it was the case about 12-18
months ago we would not accept cancelations over the phone UNTIL 12 months
contract had been fufilled, effectively forcing customers to subscribe for
13 months.


Thank you for the confirmation.
-------------------------------------------

Far from confirming what you said, the poster showed that you were
completely wrong in claiming that this was actually happening yet you
tried to make out that he was somehow backing you up.



If I were you I'd just drop the thread instead of continuing to make
assertions that everything you said was right.


If I were you I would go back and read the messages in question
instead of getting two different subjects mixed up.


Maybe you should examine your 'know it all' attitude and your habit
of trying to spin things when you are corrected. Then you might make
a few more friends.


Gav

Dom Robinson August 6th 03 08:04 PM

In article ,
says...
Jomtien wrote in message . ..
artnada wrote:

| Only people
| re-activating an existing sub can cancel after one month.

If you are an "ex subscriber", you CAN subscribe for just ONE month then cancel, there is
NO 12 month minimum contract.


Isn't that what I said?


What happened to the 'effective 13 month period' that you started
talking about earlier in the thread? You seem to have quietly dropped
that claim as the thread has went on and you have been proved wrong.
If I were you I'd just drop the thread instead of continuing to make
assertions that everything you said was right.

He was proved wrong months ago. I ended up killfiling him because he came out
with more waffle than a politician.
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Dom Robinson August 6th 03 08:07 PM

In article ,
lid says...
I was delighted to learn this and mentioned at the
time that this would explain why the subject hadn't arisen recently.


No - I checked back and it's clear you tried to gloss over it and
make out that you were right all along.

Keep the argument going and, before long, Jomty will argue that black is
white.
--

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/*
http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor)
/* 937 DVDs, 259 games, 33 videos, 67 cinema films, 69 CDs, laserdiscs & news
/* catch me if you can, terminator 3, brute force, punch drunk love, shield s1
"Organiser Eric Amy hit out today after just four people showed up for
a public meeting to fight apathy in Dorchester" - Dorset Evening Echo

Jomtien August 7th 03 08:45 AM

Gav wrote:

That is a different matter. The quote above relates to renewing a
contract that has already run its 12 month minimum course. When you
renew there is no second 12 month minimum.


I was talking about what you said way back at the start of the
thread:

"New subs carry a 12 month minimum (in fact a 13 month minimum as Sky
won't accept cancellation notices until the end of the first year,
though this could easily be disputed in court). Only people
re-activating an existing sub can cancel after one month."

You clearly said that all new subs carried an effective 13 month
subscription period. You were wrong. If they ever did, then it
stopped at least a year ago.


As I said, I was right about the principle but wrong about the timing.
There is no question that they did effectively insist on a 13 month
minimum sub at one time, even though most other participants in the
thread claimed otherwise.


You seem to have quietly dropped
that claim as the thread has went on and you have been proved wrong.


You clearly can't read.


Actually, you seem to be the one with the comprehension problem. I
made it quite clear that I was referring to something you said earlier
in the thread. This was in response to your habit of repeatedly
making authorative sounding statements, being brought up on them and
then trying to spin things. I highlighted something that you got
wrong earlier in this very thread as I thought your behaviour was
quite ironic in that light.


I don't see why. You will forgive me if I incorrectly assumed that you
were making factual comments about the questions raised in the thread
when you were actually making off-topic character assessments. Surely
there are specific groups for that sort of thing?


On the contrary, it was demonstrated and
accepted that Sky did indeed require subs to run for 12 months before
accepting a cancellation order, thus making the minimum sub 13 months,
as I said. The only thing that I didn't know was that they had stopped
doing this since.


Maybe you should check things out more thoroughly before making
blanket statements then. You did a similar thing with regard to the
need for a telephone line to use a Sky+ box in another thread, which
is why I noticed it when reading this thread.


And just where does one check such things out? As if Sky would admit
to illegally refusing to accept cancellations, or admit that the Sky+
phone requirement is not policed and that the Sky+ T&Cs are as clear
as mud.


I was delighted to learn this and mentioned at the
time that this would explain why the subject hadn't arisen recently.


No - I checked back and it's clear you tried to gloss over it and
make out that you were right all along.

quote:
-------------------------------------------
I work at sky's call centre in Dunfermline and it was the case about 12-18
months ago we would not accept cancelations over the phone UNTIL 12 months
contract had been fufilled, effectively forcing customers to subscribe for
13 months.


Thank you for the confirmation.
-------------------------------------------

Far from confirming what you said, the poster showed that you were
completely wrong in claiming that this was actually happening yet you
tried to make out that he was somehow backing you up.


If you study the rest of the thread you will see that most of the
other contributors insisted variously that at no time had Sky ever
done any such thing, that no one apart from myself had ever raised the
issue and that the entire thing was an invention of my own. I was
merely thanking the other poster for his confirmation that Sky did do
it, and that it wasn't my invention.


Maybe you should examine your 'know it all' attitude and your habit
of trying to spin things when you are corrected. Then you might make
a few more friends.


As soon as I feel the need to look for chat-room chums I shall
certainly let you know and buy a copy of your book. I doubt that it
will be any time soon so don't hold your breath.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/guiv
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)


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