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In message , James Follett
writes There has never been any kind of TV licence check associated with the issue of FTV cards - the FTV card people had no access to the licence details, among other things the UK data protection act would prevent them doing so. Are you sure about this, Nigel? I had trouble obtaining a BBC card for an unlicensed flat, but none for a licensed flat. Presumably the BBC have access to their own records now that they're the licensing authority? The BBC didn't run the FTV card service, they paid a third party to do so. We've never had any problems at all obtaining FTV cards, even for brand new houses where they didn't yet have a licence (or a post code). I also know of people who have obtained cards for completely fictitious addresses, using techniques such as adding an 'a' on the end of their house number, or using 'The Flat' before the address. Biggest problem is getting the post office to deliver it :-) -- Nigel. /------------------------------------------------------------\ | Nigel Goodwin | E-Mail : | | Lower Pilsley | Website : http://www.lpilsley.co.uk | | Chesterfield | Author of WinPicProg | | England | http://www.winpicprog.co.uk | \------------------------------------------------------------/ |
"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
... On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:55:09 +0100, James Follett wrote: Sign on the computer stall at Chichester market: There's a law which says I have to obtain your name and address when selling you a TV card but there's no law which requires you to give your real name and address. And if the purchaser gives a false name and address, he invalidates any warranty on the equipment. :-) Walt Davidson What Supermarket (including Lidls) ;-) Has ever asked for name and address when selling a TV ? Tracy behind the checkout wouldn't have a clue to ask. Steve Terry |
Nigel Goodwin wrote:
We've never had any problems at all obtaining FTV cards, even for brand new houses where they didn't yet have a licence (or a post code). Me neither. This TV licence check idea is a fallacy that just won't go away. -- Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these. The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/guiv How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73 Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/ BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.cjb.net/ ---- Only the truth as I see it. No monies return'd. ;-) |
In message , Walt Davidson
writes And if the purchaser gives a false name and address, he invalidates any warranty on the equipment. :-) I noticed your 'smiley', but perhaps people might think you meant it, obviously a warranty isn't affected at all by any false address you give. All you need to do is take it back to where you bought it, with the original sales invoice/receipt, and the warranty is perfectly OK. -- Nigel. /------------------------------------------------------------\ | Nigel Goodwin | E-Mail : | | Lower Pilsley | Website : http://www.lpilsley.co.uk | | Chesterfield | Homepage for WinPicProg | | England | http://www.winpicprog.co.uk | \------------------------------------------------------------/ |
"Steve Terry" wrote in message news:[email protected] What Supermarket (including Lidls) ;-) Has ever asked for name and address when selling a TV ? Tracy behind the checkout wouldn't have a clue to ask. Asda and Sainsburys do. Asda even do it for DVD players! -- Regards, David Please reply to News Group. |
In article , Walt Davidson
wrote: Not exactly. Your rights under the Sale of Goods Act are probably intact, but the warranty is a contract between you and the manufacturer The warranty is a contract with the supplier. The manufacturer has responsibility only to *his* customer. -- AJL Electronics (G6FGO) : Satellite and TV aerial systems http://www.classicmicrocars.co.uk : http://www.ajlelectronics.co.uk |
In article ,
Walt Davidson wrote: Not exactly. Your rights under the Sale of Goods Act are probably intact, but the warranty is a contract between you and the manufacturer and if you have given false details it is void. The law was recently clarified to make warranties binding between puchaser, manufacturer *and* retailer. Your giving a false address (or no address at all) doesn't invalidate your rights at all. Dave -- Email: MSN Messenger: |
In message , Walt Davidson
writes So what is the purpose of the "Manufacturer's Warranty" card that I am asked to sign and send to the manufacturer following every purchase of electronic, photographic or computer equipment? The main purpose of this card is to give your address details to the manufacturer so they can then try and sell you an extended warranty, plus pestering you with junk mail in the future. Many now place your entry into a prize draw, simply to encourage you to return the card. BTW, most of these cards don't even go to the manufacturer, the address is often an insurance company - for domestic electronics this is normally Domestic & General. Your warranty is initially through the shop you bought it from, they should sort out any problems under warranty - all your legal rights are against the retailer, not the manufacturer. Assuming your retailer has seized to exist, or you have moved a considerable distance away, you could then contact the manufacturer to ask what could be done - they will then usually give you a service agent to contact. -- Nigel. /------------------------------------------------------------\ | Nigel Goodwin | E-Mail : | | Lower Pilsley | Website : http://www.lpilsley.co.uk | | Chesterfield | Author of WinPicProg | | England | http://www.winpicprog.co.uk | \------------------------------------------------------------/ |
In article , Walt Davidson
wrote: So what is the purpose of the "Manufacturer's Warranty" card that I am asked to sign and send to the manufacturer following every purchase of electronic, photographic or computer equipment? The negative: Nothing whatsoever. Many companies tried to wriggle out of their obligations by means of these "warranty" cards. OFT decided that as a result, the only proof needed for warranty claim is the purchase receipt or other proof of ourchase. Your contract is solely with the supplying dealer and you have no recourse to the manufacturer under law. The positive: Some manufacturers offer a enhanced warranty service which requires you to register. There is no harm doing this as they CANNOT reduce the rights you have under law, only add to them. You do NOT need to complete these cards to gain Sale of Goods Act prrotection. Here is an example: In the event that the Product is not in good working order Canon will provide, during the warranty period, a free service within the United Kingdom. The warranty is subject to proof of purchase being provided; therefore you should retain your original receipt. This is in ADDITION to your normal rights as a customer. Canon are not obligated to help in any way. 2. The service consists of (at Canon's discretion) either repair or replacement Products that will be provided on an exchange basis and will either be new, equivalent to new or re-conditioned. All replacement spare parts and Products shall become the property of Canon. This can be overidden by your rights against the retailer if Canon seek to reduce them. In particular, you have rights of full refund or new exchange in some circumstances if your purchase is defective. Canon seem to be missing that. 3. Canon will provide service on either an "on site" or "return to form. Where we provide service "on site" an engineer will visit the location address you have given us. You must inform us in writing if you change your address. Where we provide service on a "return to base" basis you are responsible for the cost of returning any Product to us for repair. On site service, unless listed as part of the purchase is not an obligation on the part of the retailer. Canon are adding to your consumer rights not detracting from them here. 4. Canon's only obligation under this warranty is the provision of the service as set out above." Only then because they offer them. Canon are not legally obligated to assist in any way. The situation may be different in other countries, so perhaps they find it easier to do this worldwide? I don't know. -- AJL Electronics (G6FGO) : Satellite and TV aerial systems http://www.classicmicrocars.co.uk : http://www.ajlelectronics.co.uk ** Would you like to learn to post effectively? ** ** http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post ** |
"David" writes:
"Steve Terry" wrote in message news:[email protected] What Supermarket (including Lidls) ;-) has ever asked for name and address when selling a TV ? Asda even do it for DVD players! Not for me they didn't (in June 2003). I simply picked up a box containing a DVD player from the AV section and paid in cash at one of the main tills. They didn't ask me my name or address (not that it would have helped, because it was a present for someone). -- Geoff Rimmer www.sillyfish.com |
"David" wrote in message
... "Steve Terry" wrote in message news:[email protected] What Supermarket (including Lidls) ;-) Has ever asked for name and address when selling a TV ? Tracy behind the checkout wouldn't have a clue to ask. Asda and Sainsburys do. Asda even do it for DVD players! -- Regards, David I purchased a DVD player from Asda several years ago. When asked for my name and address details for licencing purposes, I refused. On meeting the store manager, he argued that if I had a new DVD player then I must use a television set to operate it, and consequently the licencing authority need my details. I argued that DVD players were not capable of receiving television broadcasts and threatened not to buy if he persisted in this ridiculous direction. Eventually I purchased and left without leaving any details. Regards Steve |
"Steve Gibbs" wrote in message ... .. Eventually I purchased and left without leaving any details. Sadly in order to get the Asda 3 year free warranty you have to give your name/address for that. So by default one does give them the info. for them to fill in thier form for the liecene people. -- Regards, David Please reply to News Group. |
In message , Steve Gibbs
writes I purchased a DVD player from Asda several years ago. When asked for my name and address details for licencing purposes, I refused. On meeting the store manager, he argued that if I had a new DVD player then I must use a television set to operate it, and consequently the licencing authority need my details. I argued that DVD players were not capable of receiving television broadcasts and threatened not to buy if he persisted in this ridiculous direction. Eventually I purchased and left without leaving any details. Quite right, there's no requirement to report the sale of a DVD player, his argument that you must have a TV was also totally wrong - you may well be using a monitor to watch DVD's, there's no licence requirement for a monitor either. Plus it's nothing to do with him if you have a TV or not!. -- Nigel. /------------------------------------------------------------\ | Nigel Goodwin | E-Mail : | | Lower Pilsley | Website : http://www.lpilsley.co.uk | | Chesterfield | Author of WinPicProg | | England | http://www.winpicprog.co.uk | \------------------------------------------------------------/ |
"David" wrote in message
... "Steve Gibbs" wrote in message ... . Eventually I purchased and left without leaving any details. Sadly in order to get the Asda 3 year free warranty you have to give your name/address for that. So by default one does give them the info. for them to fill in thier form for the liecene people. I would have thought a shop receipt would be adequate as proof of purchase and date. However, if it's to prevent warranty transfers, I can see their point. A name and address also serves to allow them to push unwanted marketing information through your door assuming you forget to opt out. Other than forgoing the warranty, a friendly neighbour with a valid licence could be used, or give your work address. That should confuse a few! Regards Steve |
In article , lightsource4_4
@hotmail.com says... Asda even do it for DVD players! -- Regards, David I purchased a DVD player from Asda several years ago. When asked for my name and address details for licencing purposes, I refused. On meeting the store manager, he argued that if I had a new DVD player then I must use a television set to operate it, and consequently the licencing authority need my details. I argued that DVD players were not capable of receiving television broadcasts and threatened not to buy if he persisted in this ridiculous direction. Eventually I purchased and left without leaving any details. Why? What did you have to hide? -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 935 DVDs, 257 games, 33 videos, 67 cinema films, 69 CDs, laserdiscs & news /* tomb raider angel of darkness, hulk, 24, speed kings, hitcher, phone booth TV Hates U: BBC2 & UK Gold: http://dvdfever.co.uk/pressrel/tvhatesu.shtml Big Brother 4 - http://dvdfever.co.uk/reviews/bigbro4.shtml |
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 18:46:35 +0100, Dom Robinson
wrote: Why? What did you have to hide? Why should they collect names and addresses? Its only to send you junkmail. I used to quote 10 downing street as an address, one shop refused to sell something (non licencable) to me because of that, -- Jim Watt http://www.gibnet.com |
In article ,
says... On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 18:46:35 +0100, Dom Robinson wrote: Why? What did you have to hide? Why should they collect names and addresses? Its only to send you junkmail. You can opt out of that, or instead join the mailing preference service for free. That doesn't legally stop junk mail but it reduces it by a hell of a lot. And at least you know the postman's been. I used to quote 10 downing street as an address, one shop refused to sell something (non licencable) to me because of that, Now why doesn't that surprise me(?) -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 935 DVDs, 257 games, 33 videos, 67 cinema films, 69 CDs, laserdiscs & news /* tomb raider angel of darkness, hulk, 24, speed kings, hitcher, phone booth TV Hates U: BBC2 & UK Gold: http://dvdfever.co.uk/pressrel/tvhatesu.shtml Big Brother 4 - http://dvdfever.co.uk/reviews/bigbro4.shtml |
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 20:50:30 +0100, Dom Robinson
wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 18:46:35 +0100, Dom Robinson wrote: Why? What did you have to hide? Why should they collect names and addresses? Its only to send you junkmail. You can opt out of that, or instead join the mailing preference service for free. That doesn't legally stop junk mail but it reduces it by a hell of a lot. And at least you know the postman's been. I used to quote 10 downing street as an address, one shop refused to sell something (non licencable) to me because of that, Now why doesn't that surprise me(?) It surprised me, it seems that the value of collecting an address exceeded the profit on the item. The address that goes with my credit card is a PO Box and that should be good enough for anyone, of course if my name had been Thatcher I could have had more fun with them ... -- Jim Watt http://www.gibnet.com |
In uk.media.tv.sky on Tue, 22 Jul 2003 at 00:13:58, Walt Davidson
wrote : How long before you need to provide a DNA sample to get a library card. Probably not long. It's an open secret that Blunkett wants everyone's DNA profile to be included on their ID card record. Just take a laxative, then send the result to them as your 'DNA sample'! :) -- Paul 'US Sitcom Fan' Hyett Website at http://www.activist.demon.co.uk/USsitcoms/ |
Bought a VCR at Argos last weekend wasn't asked for address.
-- Regards, David Please reply to News Group. |
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Walt Davidson wrote: Only if they keep the record in a computer data base. If they keep it in a notebook, they are not subject to the terms of the Data Protection Act. That used to be the case, but the Data Protection Act now applies to *all* records about individuals, electronic or physical. Dave -- Email: MSN Messenger: |
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 23:38:22 +0100, Dom Robinson
wrote: In article , says... I used to quote 10 downing street as an address, one shop refused to sell something (non licencable) to me because of that, Now why doesn't that surprise me(?) It surprised me, it seems that the value of collecting an address exceeded the profit on the item. If you'd come in my shop (if I ran one) waffling on about not wanting to supply an address to the nth degree like that, I'd probably rather you leave as well. The address that goes with my credit card is a PO Box and that should be good enough for anyone, Why should it? You don't live in a PO Box. You have not explained why anyone needs to know my home address when I buy a toaster. Its called a private address for a very good reason. The credit card company need an address to send me statements. Thats what a postal address is for. If you went to buy a tin of beans from the supermarket and they wanted your inside leg measurement at the checkout you might feel it unwarranted. Retail is about presentation, selling the right goods at the right price efficiently and quickly, not ****ing off the client. PS: I have had a shop for 15 years or so. -- Jim Watt http://www.gibnet.com |
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 00:13:58 +0100, Walt Davidson
wrote: Only if they keep the record in a computer data base. If they keep it in a notebook, they are not subject to the terms of the Data Protection Act. very little junkmail is sent by hand. All together now: "If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about." My ID card has a photograph and a signature on it, its also useful to me - thats enough. -- Jim Watt http://www.gibnet.com |
In article ,
says... If you'd come in my shop (if I ran one) waffling on about not wanting to supply an address to the nth degree like that, I'd probably rather you leave as well. The address that goes with my credit card is a PO Box and that should be good enough for anyone, Why should it? You don't live in a PO Box. You have not explained why anyone needs to know my home address when I buy a toaster. I don't have to. I don't run a shop. Ask the shop in question why they want your address details so badly they're prepared to lose a sale over it. You never explained whether you asked them this. -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 935 DVDs, 258 games, 33 videos, 67 cinema films, 69 CDs, laserdiscs & news /* tomb raider angel of darkness, hulk, 24, speed kings, hitcher, phone booth TV Hates U: BBC2 & UK Gold: http://dvdfever.co.uk/pressrel/tvhatesu.shtml Big Brother 4 - http://dvdfever.co.uk/reviews/bigbro4.shtml |
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:39:07 +0200, Jim Watt
wrote: How long before you need to provide a DNA sample to get a library card. Depends on the librarian ;-) |
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:47:43 +0100, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:39:07 +0200, Jim Watt wrote: How long before you need to provide a DNA sample to get a library card. Depends on the librarian ;-) I took one out, but got fined when I returned her late. -- Jim Watt http://www.gibnet.com |
In article ,
says... On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:47:43 +0100, wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:39:07 +0200, Jim Watt wrote: How long before you need to provide a DNA sample to get a library card. Depends on the librarian ;-) I took one out, but got fined when I returned her late. Did it hurt when she stamped hard on you? -- Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk /* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor) /* 935 DVDs, 258 games, 33 videos, 67 cinema films, 69 CDs, laserdiscs & news /* tomb raider angel of darkness, hulk, 24, speed kings, hitcher, phone booth TV Hates U: BBC2 & UK Gold: http://dvdfever.co.uk/pressrel/tvhatesu.shtml Big Brother 4 - http://dvdfever.co.uk/reviews/bigbro4.shtml |
Jim Watt wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 18:46:35 +0100, Dom Robinson wrote: Why? What did you have to hide? Why should they collect names and addresses? Its only to send you junkmail. I used to quote 10 downing street as an address, one shop refused to sell something (non licencable) to me because of that, If you know it, give the street address of the shop. A large chain won't be known by that address to the staff, and if they query you can tell them it's a flat upstairs. Or simply invent an address - quite legal as long as you're not intending to defraud them. rgds LAurence .... Keep the streets safe: Run down a cyclist today! begin the search for better software |
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