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Who's jumping ship to Blu-Ray?
Can't see me moving to any of other foramt for MANY years. Not just for financial reasons but
because I'm happy with DVD. That may change once I need a new TV -but it's unlikely. I really like the DVD format. So, jumping ship straight away, wait and see or just a plain old 'non'? http://www.blu-raydisc.com/ http://www.blu-ray.com/ Not many people are shouting about HD (high definition)-DVD, including the backers of DVD http://www.dvdforum.org I think content will be king as usual. Whomever Time-Warner and Vivendi Universal support, that is likely to be more popular. Or maybe not, as they could licence to multiple format parties (like Sky and BSB (now BritishSkyBroadcasting) and try their luck that way. Of course the courts reversed those contracts and the studios lost out. I'm not sure I'll take that much of an interest in all this once it gets going. -- DVDs **£2 OFF SALE** http://tinyurl.com/143w CD WANTED: Journey: Essential Journey (2CD) |
APPRIA40WR wrote:
Can't see me moving to any of other foramt for MANY years. Not just for financial reasons but because I'm happy with DVD. That may change once I need a new TV -but it's unlikely. I really like the DVD format. So, jumping ship straight away, wait and see or just a plain old 'non'? Never say never. But as usual it will totally depend on the software released on the new format. After the promise of a steady and secure stream of quality movie releases from a range of studios (and a possible SKY/whoever hookup), other hurdles are less important. If it can give a significant quality improvement over dvd (??) I'll have a looksee at least. Why not? ....Also, remind me... is Blu-Ray backwards compatible with dvd (after putting a disc in a Blu-Ray sleeve perhaps)? -Kevin. -- Reply to: |
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says... Can't see me moving to any of other foramt for MANY years. Not just for financial reasons but because I'm happy with DVD. The problem is jumping ship implies that the full back catalogue of DVDs will then be available on blu-ray so I don't think it can be done, after all there are still a pile of films only released on VHS or laserdisc that haven't made it to official DVD releases yet. If those films can't get DVD releases then there's an even smaller chance of them getting blu-ray releases, the same licence/rights to distribute problem will also affect blu-ray so when it starts becomming widespread many will still have to hold onto their DVD players for those titles that won't make it to blu-ray. -- Rid |
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says... Can't see me moving to any of other foramt for MANY years. Not just for financial reasons but because I'm happy with DVD. The problem is jumping ship implies that the full back catalogue of DVDs will then be available on blu-ray so I don't think it can be done, after all there are still a pile of films only released on VHS or laserdisc that haven't made it to official DVD releases yet. If those films can't get DVD releases then there's an even smaller chance of them getting blu-ray releases, the same licence/rights to distribute problem will also affect blu-ray so when it starts becomming widespread many will still have to hold onto their DVD players for those titles that won't make it to blu-ray. -- Rid |
APPRIA40WR wrote:
Can't see me moving to any of other foramt for MANY years. Not just for financial reasons but because I'm happy with DVD. Now, I want you ALL to promise me that you will ALL move to the new format as SOON as it it made available! Old DVDs have been shown to cause cancer, increase terrorism and smell. I will dispose of your old catalog of smelly, imoral DVDs for a pound or so each, just like I did with your old VHS tapes :-) Why not be a trend setter and start sending me your old DVDs now :-) -- ***My real address is m/ike at u/nmusic d/ot co dot u/k (removing /s) np: http://www.unmusic.co.uk http://www.unmusic.co.uk/amh-s-faq.html - alt.music.home-studio FAQ http://www.unmusic.co.uk/wrap.php?file=vhs.html - vhs purchase log. |
APPRIA40WR wrote:
Can't see me moving to any of other foramt for MANY years. Not just for financial reasons but because I'm happy with DVD. Now, I want you ALL to promise me that you will ALL move to the new format as SOON as it it made available! Old DVDs have been shown to cause cancer, increase terrorism and smell. I will dispose of your old catalog of smelly, imoral DVDs for a pound or so each, just like I did with your old VHS tapes :-) Why not be a trend setter and start sending me your old DVDs now :-) -- ***My real address is m/ike at u/nmusic d/ot co dot u/k (removing /s) np: http://www.unmusic.co.uk http://www.unmusic.co.uk/amh-s-faq.html - alt.music.home-studio FAQ http://www.unmusic.co.uk/wrap.php?file=vhs.html - vhs purchase log. |
Can't see me moving to any of other foramt for MANY years. Not just for
financial reasons but because I'm happy with DVD. That may change once I need a new TV -but it's unlikely. I really like the DVD format. So, jumping ship straight away, wait and see or just a plain old 'non'? The change will only happen when high-definition televisions are affordable, the purchase of which will be determined by when HD content is widely available.Once people have HD screens and are used to HD content, it stands to reason that they will want a means of recording or archiving some of that HD material. Will they also want to pugrade their existing DVD collections if Blu-ray etc offers a quality increase? Probably - many people upgraded HS collections to DVD after all. Does that mean the way ahead for Blu-ray etc is smooth? Not on your nelly. Firstly we've got what might be termed "lag" in thetakeup - for Europe, HD isn't going anywhere for another 2 years - and by that time, there might be some other "wonder-format" just around the corner that makes Blu-ray a dead duck. Then there's the problem of persuading people to swap from one format to anpther - LPs to CD was easy, CDs had many advantages over vynly - but the mini-disc took an age to get anywhere at all, and it's easy to argue that it's never been a succesful format. That is partly related to another problem for Blu-ray, much more likely to happen IMO. Minidisc was launched as a way to give us CD qualiy music in a smaller, more portable package, but after initial delays it found itself competing with streamed content off the internet stored on solid-state devices - the MP3 format. MP3s took off because the means were there to distribute tracks with a minimum of fuss - downloading tracks were feasible on a 56k modem line, and becae a doddle with broadband taking off. If we're not too far off having sufficient bandwidth and compression schemes for streamed video, Blu-ray might find itself playing second fiddle to downloaded content, stored on remote servers and local HDDs rather than having to troop down to HMV to buy more shiny silver discs. Richard |
Can't see me moving to any of other foramt for MANY years. Not just for
financial reasons but because I'm happy with DVD. That may change once I need a new TV -but it's unlikely. I really like the DVD format. So, jumping ship straight away, wait and see or just a plain old 'non'? The change will only happen when high-definition televisions are affordable, the purchase of which will be determined by when HD content is widely available.Once people have HD screens and are used to HD content, it stands to reason that they will want a means of recording or archiving some of that HD material. Will they also want to pugrade their existing DVD collections if Blu-ray etc offers a quality increase? Probably - many people upgraded HS collections to DVD after all. Does that mean the way ahead for Blu-ray etc is smooth? Not on your nelly. Firstly we've got what might be termed "lag" in thetakeup - for Europe, HD isn't going anywhere for another 2 years - and by that time, there might be some other "wonder-format" just around the corner that makes Blu-ray a dead duck. Then there's the problem of persuading people to swap from one format to anpther - LPs to CD was easy, CDs had many advantages over vynly - but the mini-disc took an age to get anywhere at all, and it's easy to argue that it's never been a succesful format. That is partly related to another problem for Blu-ray, much more likely to happen IMO. Minidisc was launched as a way to give us CD qualiy music in a smaller, more portable package, but after initial delays it found itself competing with streamed content off the internet stored on solid-state devices - the MP3 format. MP3s took off because the means were there to distribute tracks with a minimum of fuss - downloading tracks were feasible on a 56k modem line, and becae a doddle with broadband taking off. If we're not too far off having sufficient bandwidth and compression schemes for streamed video, Blu-ray might find itself playing second fiddle to downloaded content, stored on remote servers and local HDDs rather than having to troop down to HMV to buy more shiny silver discs. Richard |
Richard Dewsbery wrote:
Then there's the problem of persuading people to swap from one format to anpther And I think they've got a problem there. I consider myself far more interested than most in achieving excellence in my AV viewing, but DVD is good enough for me. I fear that if I'm happy with the quality of the current standard, then the uptake of the new format by the public at large is going to be very slow. As you say CD offered a huge improvement over vinyl, and similarly DVD is a huge improvement over VHS. I'm inclined to suspect that 9gb is enough for most folk though, and Blu-Ray is going to be a niche format for years, selling in similar volumes to DVD Audio and SACD discs probably. Andy |
Richard Dewsbery wrote:
Then there's the problem of persuading people to swap from one format to anpther And I think they've got a problem there. I consider myself far more interested than most in achieving excellence in my AV viewing, but DVD is good enough for me. I fear that if I'm happy with the quality of the current standard, then the uptake of the new format by the public at large is going to be very slow. As you say CD offered a huge improvement over vinyl, and similarly DVD is a huge improvement over VHS. I'm inclined to suspect that 9gb is enough for most folk though, and Blu-Ray is going to be a niche format for years, selling in similar volumes to DVD Audio and SACD discs probably. Andy |
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:44:47 +0100, "Andy F Batter"
wrote: Richard Dewsbery wrote: Then there's the problem of persuading people to swap from one format to anpther And I think they've got a problem there. I consider myself far more interested than most in achieving excellence in my AV viewing, but DVD is good enough for me. I fear that if I'm happy with the quality of the current standard, then the uptake of the new format by the public at large is going to be very slow. As you say CD offered a huge improvement over vinyl, and similarly DVD is a huge improvement over VHS. I'm inclined to suspect that 9gb is enough for most folk though, and Blu-Ray is going to be a niche format for years, selling in similar volumes to DVD Audio and SACD discs probably. By which time, as another poster pointed out, we may all have 20MB/sec broadband and have forgotten all about those quaint old BlockBuster and music stores. How much longer before we all wear WiFi 'HUDSpecs', and pick up the latest news and films by satellite downlink direct to our ViewPods? -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:44:47 +0100, "Andy F Batter"
wrote: Richard Dewsbery wrote: Then there's the problem of persuading people to swap from one format to anpther And I think they've got a problem there. I consider myself far more interested than most in achieving excellence in my AV viewing, but DVD is good enough for me. I fear that if I'm happy with the quality of the current standard, then the uptake of the new format by the public at large is going to be very slow. As you say CD offered a huge improvement over vinyl, and similarly DVD is a huge improvement over VHS. I'm inclined to suspect that 9gb is enough for most folk though, and Blu-Ray is going to be a niche format for years, selling in similar volumes to DVD Audio and SACD discs probably. By which time, as another poster pointed out, we may all have 20MB/sec broadband and have forgotten all about those quaint old BlockBuster and music stores. How much longer before we all wear WiFi 'HUDSpecs', and pick up the latest news and films by satellite downlink direct to our ViewPods? -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:44:47 +0100, "Andy F Batter" wrote: Richard Dewsbery wrote: Then there's the problem of persuading people to swap from one format to anpther And I think they've got a problem there. I consider myself far more interested than most in achieving excellence in my AV viewing, but DVD is good enough for me. I fear that if I'm happy with the quality of the current standard, then the uptake of the new format by the public at large is going to be very slow. As you say CD offered a huge improvement over vinyl, and similarly DVD is a huge improvement over VHS. I'm inclined to suspect that 9gb is enough for most folk though, and Blu-Ray is going to be a niche format for years, selling in similar volumes to DVD Audio and SACD discs probably. By which time, as another poster pointed out, we may all have 20MB/sec broadband and have forgotten all about those quaint old BlockBuster and music stores. How much longer before we all wear WiFi 'HUDSpecs', and pick up the latest news and films by satellite downlink direct to our ViewPods? -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering I thought this was an interesting and quite funny article from the BBC today: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3673262.stm Might sum up a few things that have been said even though its not directly related... Andy |
"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:44:47 +0100, "Andy F Batter" wrote: Richard Dewsbery wrote: Then there's the problem of persuading people to swap from one format to anpther And I think they've got a problem there. I consider myself far more interested than most in achieving excellence in my AV viewing, but DVD is good enough for me. I fear that if I'm happy with the quality of the current standard, then the uptake of the new format by the public at large is going to be very slow. As you say CD offered a huge improvement over vinyl, and similarly DVD is a huge improvement over VHS. I'm inclined to suspect that 9gb is enough for most folk though, and Blu-Ray is going to be a niche format for years, selling in similar volumes to DVD Audio and SACD discs probably. By which time, as another poster pointed out, we may all have 20MB/sec broadband and have forgotten all about those quaint old BlockBuster and music stores. How much longer before we all wear WiFi 'HUDSpecs', and pick up the latest news and films by satellite downlink direct to our ViewPods? -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering I thought this was an interesting and quite funny article from the BBC today: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3673262.stm Might sum up a few things that have been said even though its not directly related... Andy |
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:57:55 +0100, Andy Pandy wrote:
"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:44:47 +0100, "Andy F Batter" wrote: Richard Dewsbery wrote: Then there's the problem of persuading people to swap from one format to anpther And I think they've got a problem there. I consider myself far more interested than most in achieving excellence in my AV viewing, but DVD is good enough for me. I fear that if I'm happy with the quality of the current standard, then the uptake of the new format by the public at large is going to be very slow. As you say CD offered a huge improvement over vinyl, and similarly DVD is a huge improvement over VHS. I'm inclined to suspect that 9gb is enough for most folk though, and Blu-Ray is going to be a niche format for years, selling in similar volumes to DVD Audio and SACD discs probably. By which time, as another poster pointed out, we may all have 20MB/sec broadband and have forgotten all about those quaint old BlockBuster and music stores. How much longer before we all wear WiFi 'HUDSpecs', and pick up the latest news and films by satellite downlink direct to our ViewPods? -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering I thought this was an interesting and quite funny article from the BBC today: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3673262.stm Might sum up a few things that have been said even though its not directly related... The only thing missing was the credit card slot so you could pay all those DRM fees everytime you view something you thought you owned :( -- Dave |
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:57:55 +0100, Andy Pandy wrote:
"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:44:47 +0100, "Andy F Batter" wrote: Richard Dewsbery wrote: Then there's the problem of persuading people to swap from one format to anpther And I think they've got a problem there. I consider myself far more interested than most in achieving excellence in my AV viewing, but DVD is good enough for me. I fear that if I'm happy with the quality of the current standard, then the uptake of the new format by the public at large is going to be very slow. As you say CD offered a huge improvement over vinyl, and similarly DVD is a huge improvement over VHS. I'm inclined to suspect that 9gb is enough for most folk though, and Blu-Ray is going to be a niche format for years, selling in similar volumes to DVD Audio and SACD discs probably. By which time, as another poster pointed out, we may all have 20MB/sec broadband and have forgotten all about those quaint old BlockBuster and music stores. How much longer before we all wear WiFi 'HUDSpecs', and pick up the latest news and films by satellite downlink direct to our ViewPods? -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering I thought this was an interesting and quite funny article from the BBC today: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3673262.stm Might sum up a few things that have been said even though its not directly related... The only thing missing was the credit card slot so you could pay all those DRM fees everytime you view something you thought you owned :( -- Dave |
Hello all
There's a good article in the September 2004 edition of Wide Screen Review on the current state of play of the HD optical disc battle. Money is going to dictate which format is launched - Blue-ray DVD and HD DVD being the protagonist and as yet the movie industry is quite happy to eek out more profits from DVD knowing whichever HD format wins will make it even more money in a few years. Best regards Joe PS Andy F Batter - you cant have seen HD as yet :) |
Hello all
There's a good article in the September 2004 edition of Wide Screen Review on the current state of play of the HD optical disc battle. Money is going to dictate which format is launched - Blue-ray DVD and HD DVD being the protagonist and as yet the movie industry is quite happy to eek out more profits from DVD knowing whichever HD format wins will make it even more money in a few years. Best regards Joe PS Andy F Batter - you cant have seen HD as yet :) |
"Andy F Batter" wrote in message ...
And I think they've got a problem there. I consider myself far more interested than most in achieving excellence in my AV viewing, but DVD is good enough for me. Weird. I've hardly bought any DVDs of movies since I upgraded my PC to be able to play HD video... DVDs in a tiny little window in one corner of the screen (or scaled up by about a factor of three to full-screen) look awful in comparison. I fear that if I'm happy with the quality of the current standard, then the uptake of the new format by the public at large is going to be very slow. Possibly, but if HD DVD players also play current DVDs and have an option for an SD output from HD disks, that's not such a problem... you can buy HD DVDs and watch them on a crappy SD TV. As you say CD offered a huge improvement over vinyl, and similarly DVD is a huge improvement over VHS. And HD is a huge improvement over current DVDs. Mark |
"Andy F Batter" wrote in message ...
And I think they've got a problem there. I consider myself far more interested than most in achieving excellence in my AV viewing, but DVD is good enough for me. Weird. I've hardly bought any DVDs of movies since I upgraded my PC to be able to play HD video... DVDs in a tiny little window in one corner of the screen (or scaled up by about a factor of three to full-screen) look awful in comparison. I fear that if I'm happy with the quality of the current standard, then the uptake of the new format by the public at large is going to be very slow. Possibly, but if HD DVD players also play current DVDs and have an option for an SD output from HD disks, that's not such a problem... you can buy HD DVDs and watch them on a crappy SD TV. As you say CD offered a huge improvement over vinyl, and similarly DVD is a huge improvement over VHS. And HD is a huge improvement over current DVDs. Mark |
"Joe Fernand" wrote in message PS Andy F Batter - you cant have seen HD as yet :) In fairness to you, you're right. :-) I'm running a NEC crt projector with a htpc, scaled mostly at 720p. I'm perfectly happy with that, and don't want to learn about a new technology that's going to condemn my currently cherished collection of bits and bats into obsolescence. Is HD really that good? I've my eyes closed, and my fingers in my ears. La La LAH, I can't hear you. ;-) Andy |
"Joe Fernand" wrote in message PS Andy F Batter - you cant have seen HD as yet :) In fairness to you, you're right. :-) I'm running a NEC crt projector with a htpc, scaled mostly at 720p. I'm perfectly happy with that, and don't want to learn about a new technology that's going to condemn my currently cherished collection of bits and bats into obsolescence. Is HD really that good? I've my eyes closed, and my fingers in my ears. La La LAH, I can't hear you. ;-) Andy |
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