Repair or Replace DVD Player?
 

I know this s probably more appropriate in UMHC than UMD but I've had
good advice from both groups inthe past so please excuse the cross post.

Basically, I have a Sony DVP-S335 which has started playing up recently,
freezing, blocking and skipping particularly towards the end of films
where the laser is reading from the poter edge.

I've tried a BIB cleaner; no joy.
I've tried gaffer taping a small tube to the end of a Dyson nozzle to
suck all the dust out of the drive area; still no joy.
Lastly I took it to a Sony approved repair place in Leeds who have quoted
me £116 to fix the problem.

Without a great deal to base it on I think this seems a bit expensive. A
quick look under the cover reveals that the drive unit itself is
'sealed' so it looks like the repair is just a straight replace of the
drive unit.

Which leads to two questions:

1. Can I get it repaired cheaper? and
2. If not should I just cough up a little more money and get a brand new
machine?

If 2 which machine would people recommend, bearing in mind that to fit
into my existing setup it would ideally be Sony as everything else is, it
should have digital optical out rather than coax as I've laid all my
cables under the laminate flooring and THAT fecker ain't NEVER coming up
again, and lastly it should have SCART RGB pass-through for my video/sky
box.

Thanks in advance for any help,

Mik

--
'Reality,' sa molesworth 2, 'is so unspeakably sordid it make me
shudder.'

If you've cleaned the lens, done player calibration, and used several discs-
and it's still failing then most likely the player is dying.

Do you get C:13 error? This is either laser fault or disc error? Pretty
terminal once you start seeing it.

Considering it's a low end model- repair charge of £116 seems a bit steep-
might as well just buy a new player.

Most DVD players have optical AND coaxial out.

Not sure if the new players are any good though (seem to get worse in
quality) Why do you want to have everything Sony? Really that vain that
everything must match? I own a early Sony (DVP-S500D) and none of my other
kit matches, because Sony audio gear is crap and Iwouldn't touch their audio
stuff with a bargepole. :-)

I would look into a HK DVD 25. Better picture quality than the Sony's, and
at the end of the day that's all that matters- not visually matching system.

"Nath" wrote in message
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If you've cleaned the lens, done player calibration, and used several
discs-
and it's still failing then most likely the player is dying.

Do you get C:13 error? This is either laser fault or disc error? Pretty
terminal once you start seeing it.

Considering it's a low end model- repair charge of £116 seems a bit steep-
might as well just buy a new player.

Most DVD players have optical AND coaxial out.

Not sure if the new players are any good though (seem to get worse in
quality) Why do you want to have everything Sony? Really that vain that
everything must match? I own a early Sony (DVP-S500D) and none of my other
kit matches, because Sony audio gear is crap and Iwouldn't touch their
audio
stuff with a bargepole. :-)

I would look into a HK DVD 25. Better picture quality than the Sony's, and
at the end of the day that's all that matters- not visually matching
system.



**** OFF

"Kurt Hamster" wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 12:25:23 -0000, Nath used
to say...

because Sony audio gear is crap and Iwouldn't touch their audio
stuff with a bargepole. :-)

Thereby showing your lack of real world knowledge.



The cock read it in a magazine.

"Nige" wrote in message
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"Kurt Hamster" wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 12:25:23 -0000, Nath used
to say...

because Sony audio gear is crap and Iwouldn't touch their audio
stuff with a bargepole. :-)

Thereby showing your lack of real world knowledge.



The cock read it in a magazine.


More bull****. From my old magazines Sony AV amps from '99 most if not all
Sony gear 5 star ratings.

"Nath" wrote in
:

If you've cleaned the lens, done player calibration, and used several
discs- and it's still failing then most likely the player is dying.

Do you get C:13 error? This is either laser fault or disc error?
Pretty terminal once you start seeing it.

Considering it's a low end model- repair charge of £116 seems a bit
steep- might as well just buy a new player.

Most DVD players have optical AND coaxial out.

Not sure if the new players are any good though (seem to get worse in
quality) Why do you want to have everything Sony? Really that vain
that everything must match? I own a early Sony (DVP-S500D) and none of
my other kit matches, because Sony audio gear is crap and Iwouldn't
touch their audio stuff with a bargepole. :-)

I would look into a HK DVD 25. Better picture quality than the Sony's,
and at the end of the day that's all that matters- not visually
matching system.




I occasionally get a C:13 error when putting a disc in; a quick wipe
usually fixes it but not always...

Like I say, if a replacement is deemed the best course of action I'm not
fixating on Sony but I thought it worth mentioning that all my existing
kit is Sony so it makes it 'easy' to control via the Remote Commander
that came packaged with my STDB940 (I think that's right,) and in the 20
odd years I've had with Sony kit, from a Cube clock radio I got given one
christmas as a teenager I've never had anything fail on me before so I
have previously tended to look at Sony first.

Currently have a 36" Wega, AV amp, minidisc, casettes, CD, video (yes:
still!), clock radios etc and generally they've all done pretty well in
the ratings when I've bought them; partcularly the AV amp which got best
buys all over the shop before the reduced the price.

Anyhow; I know there is an entrenched pro/anti Sony which I was hoping to
avoid by seeking recommendations of any kind; which I'm still pleased to
receive based on the criteria in the first post.

Looks like the repair isn't a popular suggestion though!

Many thanks,

Mik

--
'Reality,' sa molesworth 2, 'is so unspeakably sordid it make me
shudder.'

A Sony SCDX680 for 120 quid. I rather doubt you would know what one
sounds like. Then if you did get to hear one I rather doubt you would be
able tell the difference between it and the beloved HK gear you
constantly wax lyrical about.



Pretty much. Since I wouldn't use the built-in DAC's in a DVD player or CD
player.

Pretty much. Since I wouldn't use the built-in DAC's in a DVD player
or CD player.

why not??

Tim S Kemp wrote:
Pretty much. Since I wouldn't use the built-in DAC's in a DVD player
or CD player.

why not??

because he's a troll

"Tim S Kemp" wrote in message
...


Pretty much. Since I wouldn't use the built-in DAC's in a DVD player
or CD player.

why not??


Because I use a seperate DAC, or the ones in the av pre-amp.

In article ,
says...


Pretty much. Since I wouldn't use the built-in DAC's in a DVD player
or CD player.

why not??


'cos he's as bad as the Kimber cable crew. Nath thinks that just cos
he's got a Lexicon MC processor the DACS in it must be better than
anything built into a CD or DVD player. Of course he doesn't take into
bad clock synchronisation or jitter, both of which can be massively
enhanced by using an offboard DAC.

Nathan talks the talk, but at the end of the day what he knows about
audio you could write on the back of a fag packet. Just ask him to
recommend any item for a max budget of £250 and watch him come back
suggesting something with a price of £550 because his 'dealer' heard one
once and decided it's the dogs ********.

At then end of the day don't listen to the audio opinions of someone who
listens to Madonna.

Oh did you know Nathan has an SVS subwoofer? I know he keeps quiet about
it so thought I better tell you.

P.

Sad deluded little boy our N

Lexicon MC processor the DACS in it must be better than
anything built into a CD or DVD player. Of course he doesn't take into
bad clock synchronisation or jitter, both of which can be massively
enhanced by using an offboard DAC.

Nope. Where have I said the DAC's in the MC-1 are better than those in a
good quality CD player? I haven't. MORE BULL****. I do not use the MC-1 for
"Hi-Fi"

Oh did you know Nathan has an SVS subwoofer? I know he keeps quiet about
it so thought I better tell you.

So what? Do you own one? Have you heard one?

TROLL.

Oh yeah anyone with a brain will realize using a CD player's DAC's and
sending analogue audio is not ideal, as the MC-1 digitizes all analogue
inputs prior to bass management.

In article ,
says...
Lexicon MC processor the DACS in it must be better than
anything built into a CD or DVD player. Of course he doesn't take into
bad clock synchronisation or jitter, both of which can be massively
enhanced by using an offboard DAC.

Nope. Where have I said the DAC's in the MC-1 are better than those in a
good quality CD player? I haven't. MORE BULL****. I do not use the MC-1 for
"Hi-Fi"

Oh did you know Nathan has an SVS subwoofer? I know he keeps quiet about
it so thought I better tell you.

So what? Do you own one? Have you heard one?



You've already said you use an off board DAC, you've already said you
wouldn't use the DACS in a CD or DVD player (you made no mention of
'quality') thereby implying that you considered any of your offboard
DACS (including the preamp you mentioned) as superior. Most hifi buffs
accept that offboard DACS add as little to overall sound as fancy cables
or the like. Snake oil Nathan.

Oh, and yes I have heard an SVS sub, about three weeks ago in NYC and I
was very impressed with it - however I've heard better subs for the
same money (the SVS is not musicak in the least - great for HC but I
wouldn't let it near real music).

Of course, real music is not something you would know about - with your
Madonna, overcompressed for FM radio tripe. Sheesh you are a worm.

Patrick

You've already said you use an off board DAC, you've already said you
wouldn't use the DACS in a CD or DVD player (you made no mention of
'quality') thereby implying that you considered any of your offboard
DACS (including the preamp you mentioned) as superior. Most hifi buffs
accept that offboard DACS add as little to overall sound as fancy cables
or the like. Snake oil Nathan.

Old age setting in? I said "are better than those in a good quality CD
player?" I have compared the sound quality from the analogue outputs from
the CD player and DVD player. Pretty poor overall. My external DAC and those
in the MC-1 offer far superior to the crappy sound from the CD & DVD Player.

Read my thread regarding the Lexicon digitizing analogue inputs.. really the
MC-1 is best for digital sources (digital out from CD, DVD, DAB etc)

Oh, and yes I have heard an SVS sub, about three weeks ago in NYC and I
was very impressed with it - however I've heard better subs for the
same money (the SVS is not musicak in the least - great for HC but I
wouldn't let it near real music).

That's great, since I now use the SVS only for films- I did use the SVS for
music for a bit, but removed the cable from the integrated to the SVS (will
use the Rel for music)

Which SVS model did you hear?


Of course, real music is not something you would know about - with your
Madonna, overcompressed for FM radio tripe. Sheesh you are a worm.

Patrick

I have a pretty wide variety of music taste... Madonna is just one I listen
to. You trying to be a elitest ?(oooh you listen to Beethoven, so must put
down other people)

"Kurt Hamster" wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 20:25:34 -0000, Nath used
to say...

Oh yeah anyone with a brain will realize using a CD player's DAC's and
sending analogue audio is not ideal,

Not ideal? It's what it is designed for. I would far prefer analogue out
from the CD direct into my Naims rather than using an inferior
multi-purpose DAC in amy AV amp.

Agreed. That's why I said I don't use the MC-1 for Hifi.

Ah there goes that fascination with bass again. It's a shame you
wouldn't know what bass is supposed to sound like even if it came up to
you and stapled itself to your SVS (though of course due to the regular
close proximity there could of course be collateral damage to your
dick).

Clueless.

This coming from a man with a mid-woofer who stuffed the single port with a
towel..and before you even try to think of a way of snapping back (SVS's
allow port tuned) - they CAN because they have several ports (PC Plus).
Strange how the PCi cannot be plugged, as it has a single port. Something
should click in your miniscule brain. I guess loosing the loss of feeling in
your legs has moved into your brain.

In article ,
says...
This coming from a man with a mid-woofer who stuffed the single port with a
towel..and before you even try to think of a way of snapping back (SVS's
allow port tuned) - they CAN because they have several ports (PC Plus).
Strange how the PCi cannot be plugged, as it has a single port. Something
should click in your miniscule brain. I guess loosing the loss of feeling in
your legs has moved into your brain.

Is your real name Arnold Judas Rimmer?

[cue Kryten's defence speech in the episode "Justice"...]


--
Rid

(which currently is only reinforcing my main speakers below 40hz).

PDR-10 = 42-115Hz +/-3.3dB.

PDR-10 is good to 42hz, and that's at 10% THD...anything below that will be
at a higher THD

http://members.cox.net/frankcarter/T...Sub%20Data.htm

Would
that be the midwoofer I've regularly pilloried with regard to its
quality?


Oh you mean the quote where you said "boomy bass" that Max found the link to
a while back?

In article ,
says...
Oh yeah anyone with a brain will realize using a CD player's DAC's and
sending analogue audio is not ideal, as the MC-1 digitizes all analogue
inputs prior to bass management.


which makes it a **** for music. If it doesn't have an analogue
passthrough then you're stuck with whatever colouration the bass
management and digital processing give the signal. I would never buy an
amp or preamp that didn't have a true analogue input - what a waste of
time. What's the point in buying a decent DVD player or CD player *at
all* then? You may as well buy a £50 job - especially as it'll likely
have the self same transport mechanism as a pricier player.

Dope.

P.

"Patrick Navin" wrote in message
t...
In article ,
says...
Oh yeah anyone with a brain will realize using a CD player's DAC's and
sending analogue audio is not ideal, as the MC-1 digitizes all analogue
inputs prior to bass management.


which makes it a **** for music. If it doesn't have an analogue
passthrough then you're stuck with whatever colouration the bass
management and digital processing give the signal. I would never buy an
amp or preamp that didn't have a true analogue input - what a waste of
time. What's the point in buying a decent DVD player or CD player *at
all* then? You may as well buy a £50 job - especially as it'll likely
have the self same transport mechanism as a pricier player.

Dope.

P.

I can understand your reasoning-you would want analogue direct input
(basically analogue pre-amp only) and not ADC'd, then processed, then DAC'd.
However I do not use the analogue inputs at all. I have no need to use the
MC-1 for Hi-Fi. The 8000S & Tag DAC20 sound better than the MC-1 for stereo.
But since the MC-1 isn't used for Hi-Fi it doesn't bother me. Because I use
it for films (and concert DVD's)- in Logic 7 mode and it sounds fab. :-)

I believe the Tag and Bryston units offer analogue bypass.. the Bryston is
way above my budget...haven't heard a Tag AV32R going, but their 7.1 version
is a bit too expensive (£3000 second-hand?)

I don't class a £270 DVD player hi-end (more like the £1600 Toshiba's) My
CD player is the Marantz 63SE (that was my first CD player)- again not
top-end, as I don't use the built-in DAC's. I wouldn't buy a £50 DVD
player- I want disc compatibility & reliability..not something that'll last
a couple of weeks (and have **** picture quality)

Betha haven't used a Lexicon before.

In article ,
says...

You've already said you use an off board DAC, you've already said you
wouldn't use the DACS in a CD or DVD player (you made no mention of
'quality') thereby implying that you considered any of your offboard
DACS (including the preamp you mentioned) as superior. Most hifi buffs
accept that offboard DACS add as little to overall sound as fancy cables
or the like. Snake oil Nathan.

Old age setting in? I said "are better than those in a good quality CD
player?" I have compared the sound quality from the analogue outputs from
the CD player and DVD player. Pretty poor overall. My external DAC and those
in the MC-1 offer far superior to the crappy sound from the CD & DVD Player.

You said "good quality" in your second post - not the earlier one. In
the earlier post you intimated that you would not use the analogue
output of a CD or DVD player at all. Consistency - your continual
bugbear.

Which CD player and DVD player? Have you heard them all? How have you
listened to the true analogue outputs if, by your own admission, your
MC1 digitises every source? What material are you using to judge them?


Read my thread regarding the Lexicon digitizing analogue inputs.. really the
MC-1 is best for digital sources (digital out from CD, DVD, DAB etc)

Which thread? If you want me to read old crap the least courtesy you can
do me is to put a link in. I couldn't give a toss about your Lexicon
digitising analogue inputs - all this proves is that you've never
actually heard the cd or dvd players analogue outputs as they are meant
to sound. If you are going to use the digital output why bother with a
decent Harmon Kardon player? Why not just pick up a Matsui? The sound
will be identical through your MC1 after all. It's not as if your TV has
DVI or prog scan so the picture wont be that different either.

Oh, and yes I have heard an SVS sub, about three weeks ago in NYC and I
was very impressed with it - however I've heard better subs for the
same money (the SVS is not musicak in the least - great for HC but I
wouldn't let it near real music).

That's great, since I now use the SVS only for films- I did use the SVS for
music for a bit, but removed the cable from the integrated to the SVS (will
use the Rel for music)

They are poor all round subs as they have an inability to reproduce
musical information - they parp in a horrible fashion with well recorded
music (Sparklehorse's "vivadixie..." album, The Jayhawks' "Rainy Day
Music", Buffalo Tom's "Sleepy Eyed" etc. It may well be fine for
generic, wide frequency recordings like pop music but for music you'd
actually want to listen to it's poor - no comparison to a REL Storm.


Which SVS model did you hear?

The PC Plus range - I heard two of them - both had awesome slam for
movies but that's about all. I heard them through an Anthem processor
and 7 Outlaw monoblocs - I decided against the SVS and have ordered a
REL.



Of course, real music is not something you would know about - with your
Madonna, overcompressed for FM radio tripe. Sheesh you are a worm.


I have a pretty wide variety of music taste... Madonna is just one I listen
to. You trying to be a elitest ?(oooh you listen to Beethoven, so must put
down other people)

I don't listen to classical and know nothing about it. I listen to lots
of music though, have played in a band that recorded 2 albums on an
indie label and been to well in excess of 1000 gigs - I own over 1500
CDs and 2500 or so LPs - I've been buying music and using audio kit
since you were at primary school - I'm not being elitist - just pointing
out that I have a wider frame of reference than you.

You've mentioned Madonna a few times when talking of music - I'm
criticising it because it is extremely poor material to judge the hifi
audio experience with. It features very little dynamic range (stick it
through an oscilloscope - no peaks and troughs just a wideband of
information the whole way through) and thus does not represent any kind
of challenge to the kit.
...and that's before you get on to the fact that it's crap, meaningless
over-marketed garbage by a has-been who only sells records because sad
twentysomething, bedroom bound ****s imagine they might one day get to
shag her, based on the fact that she seems to have had everyone else in
the world so there must be some hope for them.
I've not seen you once make a critique of film or music, it's always the
kit, the figures, the numbers the bass repsonse blah blah - you have no
appreciation of music because you're too caught up in the toys. Sad
really. Real music appreciation can be done on a mono radio if
necessary.

Patrick

In article , you say...



I don't class a £270 DVD player hi-end (more like the £1600 Toshiba's) My
CD player is the Marantz 63SE (that was my first CD player)- again not
top-end, as I don't use the built-in DAC's. I wouldn't buy a £50 DVD
player- I want disc compatibility & reliability..not something that'll last
a couple of weeks (and have **** picture quality)

Have you used a £50 DVD player? Take for example the eBench KH6777 which
was £37.99. Picture from that on prog scan was identical to a HK and a
Denon I tried. not only that it played every type of disc I put in it,
including two that the HK spat out. Paying £1600 for a DVD player is
moronic, you're just falling into marketing traps. Yes you *may* get
more reliability if you pay £270 for a branded product but that is *not*
guaranteed (look at Sony's return rate on the current DVD player range).
Don't talk ******** Nathan, take time out to grow a pair instead.


Betha haven't used a Lexicon before.


Bloke in the big house up the street has an MC8 and an RT 12 (can't
remember what amplification) , sure it's nice kit and sounds fantastic
but it's way overpriced and the user interface is a bunch of arse. My
Anthem AVM20 sounds every bit as good for a lot less money.

Nath wrote:
(which currently is only reinforcing my main speakers below 40hz).

PDR-10 = 42-115Hz +/-3.3dB.

PDR-10 is good to 42hz, and that's at 10% THD...anything below that
will be at a higher THD

http://members.cox.net/frankcarter/T...Sub%20Data.htm

erm never make an argument about thd and speakers/

Which CD player and DVD player? Have you heard them all? How have you
listened to the true analogue outputs if, by your own admission, your
MC1 digitises every source? What material are you using to judge them?

Marantz CD-63SE, Sony DVP-S500D, Toshiba SD-100E. Both DVD player sound
dire, the Marantz is pretty good, but the external DAC is far superior,
connected to the 8000S. Oh yeah also owned a Rega Planet 2000- that was very
good (90% SQ of the Tag DAC) The Toshiba is the worst of the lot.

I also have a Audiolab 8000S (also used Arcam 9 integrated) which is a
analogue stereo integrated amplfier. Used this for testing built-in DAC's.

Played back various music, from jazz, vocals, guitar acoustics that sort of
thing. The DVD players sound crap- harsh, lacking in soundstage.. CD player
(Rega) and the seperate DAC much better.

Which thread? If you want me to read old crap the least courtesy you can
do me is to put a link in. I couldn't give a toss about your Lexicon
digitising analogue inputs - all this proves is that you've never
actually heard the cd or dvd players analogue outputs as they are meant
to sound.

Yes I have. See above.

If you are going to use the digital output why bother with a
decent Harmon Kardon player? Why not just pick up a Matsui?

Because I want a reliable DVD player, good build, good interlaced PQ.

The sound
will be identical through your MC1 after all. It's not as if your TV has
DVI or prog scan so the picture wont be that different either.

Will be looking into a PJ soon. I've seen crap players going (Samsung 709)
dire PQ, compared to early our gen DVD players - which are far superior.

Oh, and yes I have heard an SVS sub, about three weeks ago in NYC and
I
was very impressed with it - however I've heard better subs for the
same money (the SVS is not musicak in the least - great for HC but I
wouldn't let it near real music).

It's a geat HC sub. That's what it's for.

They are poor all round subs as they have an inability to reproduce
musical information - they parp in a horrible fashion with well recorded
music

Parp?

(Sparklehorse's "vivadixie..." album, The Jayhawks' "Rainy Day
Music", Buffalo Tom's "Sleepy Eyed" etc. It may well be fine for
generic, wide frequency recordings like pop music but for music you'd
actually want to listen to it's poor - no comparison to a REL Storm.

Rel subwoofer is a good music subwoofer, but IMO not suited for HT.

You've mentioned Madonna a few times when talking of music - I'm
criticising it

Only mentioned her because some albums are badly mixed (with tons of
excessive bass)- so wondering how it would sound in a properly setup room? I
probably guess too bassy..

Paying £1600 for a DVD player is
moronic, you're just falling into marketing traps.

Agreed. I would not spend over £500 for a DVD Player.


Bloke in the big house up the street has an MC8 and an RT 12 (can't
remember what amplification) , sure it's nice kit and sounds fantastic
but it's way overpriced and the user interface is a bunch of arse. My
Anthem AVM20 sounds every bit as good for a lot less money.

I would not buy a new Lexicon. They're great, but way out of my reach. I
paid £1500 for my MC-1, btw. Came with 2 years warranty. The Anthem do seem
very good units. At £1750 could afford that, but got customs and VAT on top
(total little bit too much for me) :-(

If you want to know how badly your system can perform

You saying my Hi-Fi system is ****e?

That is if you know how to play MP3s through your system.

Plotted a subwoofer frequency response graph... so yes.

"Mik Foggin" wrote in message
news:[email protected]

Lastly I took it to a Sony approved repair place in Leeds who have quoted
me £116 to fix the problem.


Looking at RicherSounds web site looks as if half the DVD players there are
less than half your repair cost.
Two thirds of them under £200.

--
Regards,
David

Please reply to News Group.

In article ,
says...
Which CD player and DVD player? Have you heard them all? How have you
listened to the true analogue outputs if, by your own admission, your
MC1 digitises every source? What material are you using to judge them?

Marantz CD-63SE, Sony DVP-S500D, Toshiba SD-100E. Both DVD player sound
dire, the Marantz is pretty good, but the external DAC is far superior,
connected to the 8000S. Oh yeah also owned a Rega Planet 2000- that was very
good (90% SQ of the Tag DAC) The Toshiba is the worst of the lot.#


Liar - you've never owned a Planet 2000.If you had you would have
mentioned it before now seeing as how you love to brag - you're just
saying it to try and give you a frame of reference to say how much
better than mine you think your kit is. You are the biggest liar on
Usenet - no point in arguing further with you as you have no clue and
you make stuff up - sad really.

You've owned it all, you know it all - you're the pub bore.


remainder of utter drivel snipped

P.

In article ,
says...
Paying £1600 for a DVD player is
moronic, you're just falling into marketing traps.

Agreed. I would not spend over £500 for a DVD Player.


Bloke in the big house up the street has an MC8 and an RT 12 (can't
remember what amplification) , sure it's nice kit and sounds fantastic
but it's way overpriced and the user interface is a bunch of arse. My
Anthem AVM20 sounds every bit as good for a lot less money.

I would not buy a new Lexicon. They're great, but way out of my reach. I
paid £1500 for my MC-1, btw. Came with 2 years warranty. The Anthem do seem
very good units. At £1750 could afford that, but got customs and VAT on top
(total little bit too much for me) :-(


If you're so poor how have you owned a Rega Planet,your Audiolabs AND
all the other gear you claim to have? How have you afforded to have
owned a REL Storm AND an SVS and the dozens of other things you claim to
have owned? You're a liar, puer and simple, you make stuff up to look
good - I doubt you're even 24 like you say now - I reckon you're about
18 and the SVS is your Dads' - pathetic.

You've dug a hole for yourself you little liar and when it finally gets
exposed you're gonna look so stupid.

P.

Liar - you've never owned a Planet 2000.If you had you would have
mentioned it before now seeing as how you love to brag - you're just
saying it to try and give you a frame of reference to say how much
better than mine you think your kit is. You are the biggest liar on
Usenet - no point in arguing further with you as you have no clue and
you make stuff up - sad really.

What's this then?.....

http://nathansilly.012webpages.com/hifi.JPG

Fantastic sounding CD P, only reason I got rid of it because the Tag DAC20
couldn't lock onto the digital audio signal (verified with another Planet
2000, which was fine, difference digital calbes, and the Marantz and Rotel
CD.p's which were fine)

If you're so poor how have you owned a Rega Planet,your Audiolabs AND
all the other gear you claim to have? How have you afforded to have
owned a REL Storm AND an SVS and the dozens of other things you claim to
have owned?

SVS was about £700, so quite affordable. Most of the other stuff was bought
one by one... £475 for a CD player, £600 the the Rel etc..I could not plump
out £2000 or more for a single item in one go.

You're a liar, puer and simple, you make stuff up to look
good - I doubt you're even 24 like you say now - I reckon you're about
18 and the SVS is your Dads' - pathetic.


Nope, and Dad isn't interested in HT (although he does have a Garrard
turntable and some DIY speakers he's builts.

He hasne't a clue about subwoofers.. if he did he'll probably buy a Rel,
being they're the UK's leading subwoofer manufactuerer (and not SVS which
you need the net to find out about & read up)

You've dug a hole for yourself you little liar and when it finally gets
exposed you're gonna look so stupid.

P.

Nope.

In article ,
says...
Liar - you've never owned a Planet 2000.If you had you would have
mentioned it before now seeing as how you love to brag - you're just
saying it to try and give you a frame of reference to say how much
better than mine you think your kit is. You are the biggest liar on
Usenet - no point in arguing further with you as you have no clue and
you make stuff up - sad really.

What's this then?.....

http://nathansilly.012webpages.com/hifi.JPG

did you borrow that from your dealer then?

Fantastic sounding CD P, only reason I got rid of it because the Tag DAC20
couldn't lock onto the digital audio signal (verified with another Planet
2000, which was fine, difference digital calbes, and the Marantz and Rotel
CD.p's which were fine)

proof of why using an offboard DAC compromises sound quality - namely
clock issues and increased jitter.

P.

In article ,
says...
If you're so poor how have you owned a Rega Planet,your Audiolabs AND
all the other gear you claim to have? How have you afforded to have
owned a REL Storm AND an SVS and the dozens of other things you claim to
have owned?

SVS was about £700, so quite affordable. Most of the other stuff was bought
one by one... £475 for a CD player, £600 the the Rel etc..I could not plump
out £2000 or more for a single item in one go.


Maybe so, for all I care you may be telling the truth (though you've
lied about plenty stuff so why would anyone believe you). Makes no
difference - you still talk utter ********.

You're a liar, puer and simple, you make stuff up to look
good - I doubt you're even 24 like you say now - I reckon you're about
18 and the SVS is your Dads' - pathetic.


Nope, and Dad isn't interested in HT (although he does have a Garrard
turntable and some DIY speakers he's builts.


I really care bedroom boy.

He hasne't a clue about subwoofers.. if he did he'll probably buy a Rel,
being they're the UK's leading subwoofer manufactuerer (and not SVS which
you need the net to find out about & read up)

I care so much

****.

P.

"Kurt Hamster" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:32:58 -0000, Nath used
to say...


If you want to know how badly your system can perform

You saying my Hi-Fi system is ****e?

It wouldn't make any difference as I don't believe you know what the
hell you are listening to. I doubt you have any musical appreciation.
You play the numbers game that's all

That is if you know how to play MP3s through your system.

Plotted a subwoofer frequency response graph... so yes.

As per normal you never answer the question that's been asked.

"Yes" is usually a reply of confirmation, but I guess being stupid would
effect every day to day conversation.

Look here..

http://www.snapbug.ws/bfd.htm
http://www.snapbug.ws/sinewaves
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/tracertek/usbsounboxau.html
http://www.winamp.com/

You should be able to figure something out, that's if you're cleaver enough.

"Kurt Hamster" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:01:41 -0000, Nath used
to say...


"Kurt Hamster" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:32:58 -0000, Nath used
to say...


If you want to know how badly your system can perform

You saying my Hi-Fi system is ****e?

It wouldn't make any difference as I don't believe you know what the
hell you are listening to. I doubt you have any musical appreciation.
You play the numbers game that's all

That is if you know how to play MP3s through your system.

Plotted a subwoofer frequency response graph... so yes.

As per normal you never answer the question that's been asked.

"Yes" is usually a reply of confirmation, but I guess being stupid would
effect every day to day conversation.

So why didn't you use a simple "yes" then? As per usual you answered a
question that wasn't asked.

Look here..

http://www.snapbug.ws/bfd.htm
http://www.snapbug.ws/sinewaves
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/tracertek/usbsounboxau.html
http://www.winamp.com/

You should be able to figure something out, that's if you're cleaver
enough.

I've figured out that you have a hankering for toys but don't really
know what you are doing or listening for.

I do not own the BFD, just used the site for the sine waves.

In what language does "hankering" equate to "owning"?



I'm hankering for a subwoofer parametic EQ.. but I'm waiting for something a
bit easier to use (auto setup etc) with included calibrated accurate mic.. a
bit like Velodyne's DD range of subs in a external unit. Using the BFD with
test tones, SPL meter, correction values, then plotting, then re-adusting,
re-testing etc seems a bit too much pratting about. Basically press one
button, it'll do it's stuff- and then compare before/after.. In that case
I'll "own" one.

So contrary to your assertion, I was correct. You hanker after your
toys.

Don't we all? :-)


This is typical of the sort of person you are. To me the gear is a means
to an end, they are just tools to allow me to enjoy music. They are the
end to you.

Good gear should produce good results. A tweak here and there increases it
(speaker placement etc) And no I don't buy porceline cable risers.

I listen to music, you listen to sound.

I listen to music.


I watch a film, you look at a picture and listen to sound.

I watch a film, and immersed in the HT experience.


It's a shame you don't realise just how much you are missing.

And for you, clean sub 40hz bass at near or below reference levels ;-)

Again I doubt that. You are the sort to be thinking, well if I moved
that, or set that different... etc

That isn't immersion.

'tis once the film starts. Strange how I have the lights off when I watch a
film and not stare at the sub/amp/processor and say oooh that's so awesome.

How do you know I'm missing it? You only know the PDR10 isn't capable of
it, but that isn't all I'm using it is?

How should I know? Hardly said what your system is.


4 x Kef B200 drivers (in an isobarik, push/pull configuration) are more
than capable of producing reference quality sub 40hz. They can also do
it whilst maintaining multi-tonal 'textures'.

I'll have to take your word for it.