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Captain Freedom wrote:
On 1/2/04 I checked the Travel & Animal channels and they were working fine in the digital mode. Superstar is my provider and I did not even call them to ask. They were not working on the 1st of Jan. John You probably subscribe to their digital package. Their website implies that these were added for those subscribers. |
Frank Malczewski wrote: Captain Freedom wrote: On 1/2/04 I checked the Travel & Animal channels and they were working fine in the digital mode. Superstar is my provider and I did not even call them to ask. They were not working on the 1st of Jan. John You probably subscribe to their digital package. Their website implies that these were added for those subscribers. You are correct. I have subscription to the digitals. John |
"Bryan" wrote in message ... The programmers can't wait forever for everybody to update their hardware! Speaking of which, does anyone know of a good blind search mpeg-2 with an ATSC off-air tuner built in? I'm unaware of any such device. There are 3 known blind search Mpeg2 Blind Search receivers, Satwork 3618/3688 and a Coship 3618C. The only diffefence I hear between the Satwork's is the 3688 can move a "mini" dish, up to about 90cm, while the 3618 can either be on a fixed dish, or piggy backed off another receiver (Like I would think most of us TVRO's would do anyway. Wrong there are more than 3 blindsearch units out there you just have to check the market in asia. I have one with better specs than the rather obsolete Coship unit and Satworks unit. In fact only the newer 3688 has similar specs but the Innovia came out well before it. www.satmax.ws sells the innovia its also sold under the label Powtek |
I just read that HBO is discontinuing 4 channels from C-Band Analog on April
30,2004. I am curious as to what the programmers will say about that. Bob "Bryan" wrote in message ... Not to get in the middle of the argument, but when these channels put up banners saying they were leaving, it did not say they were *moving* to 4Dtv, nor did anyone's site (4dtv, NPS, YSP, Onsat, that I could find anyway) say they were going digital, just the fact they would no longer be available on XX transponder. We could assume/hope they were going to DCII, but had no confirmation until a day or so ago. As far as West coast feeds, I still haven't seen/read that they went digital, they all seem to have disappeared. And not to argue for/against any type of refund. If one just (Nov-Dec)subscribed to any long term commitment to the packages for these channels, and the provider knew they were going away/digital. I think the provider should be kind enough to either include those particular channels al-la-carte for the pre paid time, or provide a pro-rated refund. Just my opinion. Just for curiosity has anyone called their provider and asked them these questions? They might be able to do one or the other, and we wouldn't have to whine about it in here. Bryan "Valdivar" wrote in message ... GL wrote: Isn't there something we as consumers can do? Does FTC or any other government agency supposed to address cases like this. The way it looks is that bunch of us C-band addicts bought service that is just being cut in a signifficant part after the transaction. Shouldn't this spell REFUND at least in part? Indirectly didn't we pay for the rental of the referred transponders along with content that would be beamed from them? If so, why is this service disapearing? I understand that the team of the day is "cost savings" for the broadcast companies, but so it is for me - and spending money on the service I won't be receiving does not quite translate to cost savings at least form my end!!! This sounds like not a significant amount for each of us, but once you multiply this by nymber of users it may add up to milions. Anyone out there knows a good class action lawsuit lawyer? "Frank Malczewski" wrote in message ... Jim wrote: Travel Channel will be on C4, 602; Animal Planet on C4, 603; Fox Movie Channel on X4, 251 and National Geographic Channel on X4, 620 effective January 1st. I just love having not even a month ago resubscribed to these (and other) channels for another year, only to be greeted with: "A subscription is required to view this program." (Animal Planet) "A subscription is required to view this program." (Fox Movie Channel) I'm sure Travel Channel will say the same thing once it's up and running... (In reality I can easily do without Animal Planet and Travel Channel, but I paid for another f-ing year (along with FMC), and I should be getting another f-ing year's worth...) Again,the title of this post is incorrect! These services are NOT disappearing. They are switching to digital: in this case: 4dtv The hardware has been out there for a couple of years now. Read the signs of the times: Stop whining and update your hardware! If you had done that before the change(and some of us have known this was coming for months now!)...you'd be switched over with very little hassle! If you don't have 4dtv(and preferably mpeg-2 fta also),then your hardware is out of date and that's nobody's fault but your own! The programmers can't wait forever for everybody to update their hardware! |
Bob Thompson wrote:
I just read that HBO You just read *where* ??? Why not tell us the source? |
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:03:00 -0800, ric wrote:
Bob Thompson wrote: I just read that HBO You just read *where* ??? Why not tell us the source? Onsat; in this issue http://www.tripled.com/onsat/onscov.jpg End of April is when HBO will turn off analog feeds. |
Uh,the link is a jpeg and a cover photo at that.
I just checked Onsat's news and there no update since A&E\W and some others channels went off. Just the same it wouldn't surpirse me to see a lot of channels switch to digital this year! However,if one is preparred,they've updated their hardware and have mpeg-2,4dtv and ku band(that's my next step!)..."no worries,mate!" wrote in message s.com... On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:03:00 -0800, ric wrote: Bob Thompson wrote: I just read that HBO You just read *where* ??? Why not tell us the source? Onsat; in this issue http://www.tripled.com/onsat/onscov.jpg End of April is when HBO will turn off analog feeds. |
Note: once again -an incorrect posting title!
Travel and Animal are NOT leaving C band.In fact,they have NOT "left" C band,they are now in 4dtv format,have been added to the absolute digital package and after a brief phone call to my programmer for "hit" I have been enjoying them just as I did on analog! wrote in message s.com... On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:03:00 -0800, ric wrote: Bob Thompson wrote: I just read that HBO You just read *where* ??? Why not tell us the source? Onsat; in this issue http://www.tripled.com/onsat/onscov.jpg End of April is when HBO will turn off analog feeds. |
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ric wrote: wrote: Onsat; in this issue http://www.tripled.com/onsat/onscov.jpg Gee, wouldn't it been easier to just give the *date* of the issue? g From Onsat online: http://www.tripled.com/onsat/ HOT News: The following analog feeds have switched to digital-only and are now available via 4DTV: Travel Channel (C4, 602); Animal Planet (C4, 603) and Fox Movie Channel (X4, 251). National Geographic (X4, 620) is also now available. The following analog services have gone dark (or will shortly) on C-BAND: DSC West (G5, 12) and TV Games (W1, 23). CMT will reportedly remain available this year on C4, 24. HBO has announced that effective April 30, they will discontinue their four analog multiplex feeds: HBO2 East, HBO2 West, HBO Signature East and MoreMax East. These feeds will remain available in digital format via 4DTV. There are 26 digital feeds of HBO/Cinemax available with 4DTV as well as HBO HDTV East and West. The Outdoor Channel plans to discontinue their analog signal on G0, 24 sometime between March and July 2004. The Health Network (C3, 616) has changed its name to FitTV. Sundance Channel is now digital-only on 4DTV. A&E, Lifetime and Disney have discontinued their analog west feeds. Only their east feeds are now available to C-Band customers. According to their web site, program packager Sat2000.com has closed down and is no longer in business. |
It's my understanding from my dealer, who has installed C-band since 1985,
that when the satellites launced and the providers (networks, not so much programing providers like NPS) agreed to use such space it was like a 12 year contract, that just happens to be about 12 years ago. So with the ending of these contracts, I suppose most providers are switching to cheaper digital formats. And I suppose as the next year or 2 go by and almost, if not all these contracts are over, and with DCII & Mpeg2 becoming more popular we'll see most all analog channels dissapear. Just my opnion, it sucks, but the companies gotta make a buck, or they'd have to close up shop all togather. Bryan I did notice, after someone here mentioned, that Animal, Disc W, travel are still in analog mode, just encrypted. and CMT is still there. "Captain Freedom" wrote in message ... ric wrote: wrote: Onsat; in this issue http://www.tripled.com/onsat/onscov.jpg Gee, wouldn't it been easier to just give the *date* of the issue? g From Onsat online: http://www.tripled.com/onsat/ HOT News: The following analog feeds have switched to digital-only and are now available via 4DTV: Travel Channel (C4, 602); Animal Planet (C4, 603) and Fox Movie Channel (X4, 251). National Geographic (X4, 620) is also now available. The following analog services have gone dark (or will shortly) on C-BAND: DSC West (G5, 12) and TV Games (W1, 23). CMT will reportedly remain available this year on C4, 24. HBO has announced that effective April 30, they will discontinue their four analog multiplex feeds: HBO2 East, HBO2 West, HBO Signature East and MoreMax East. These feeds will remain available in digital format via 4DTV. There are 26 digital feeds of HBO/Cinemax available with 4DTV as well as HBO HDTV East and West. The Outdoor Channel plans to discontinue their analog signal on G0, 24 sometime between March and July 2004. The Health Network (C3, 616) has changed its name to FitTV. Sundance Channel is now digital-only on 4DTV. A&E, Lifetime and Disney have discontinued their analog west feeds. Only their east feeds are now available to C-Band customers. According to their web site, program packager Sat2000.com has closed down and is no longer in business. |
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:52:45 -0600, "Bryan"
wrote: It's my understanding from my dealer, who has installed C-band since 1985, that when the satellites launced and the providers (networks, not so much programing providers like NPS) agreed to use such space it was like a 12 year contract, that just happens to be about 12 years ago. Imho, the lion's share of business goes to cable, C-Band is peanuts, as compared to cable business. Hence, if the provider thinks the lion's share will convert to digital, they will switch to digital. Hence, I really doubt C-Band providers have clout! |
I just read that HBO
You just read *where* ??? Why not tell us the source? OnSat: 12-18 January, 2004 Page 4: lower left bottom HBO Pulls Four The network that brought the first instance of encryption to the C-BAND satellite TV market has pulled the analog plug on four of its feeds. Look for HBO2 East and West, HBO Signature East and MoreMax East to drop from the analog skies on April 30, 2004. HBO says that the channels will remain available to 4DTV customers, who will retain the full-complement of 26 HBO channels (that includes the East and West feeds of several specialized channels). We found Motorola DSR-922 receivers selling [NEW] for between $600.00 and $700.00 on eBay [ www.ebay.com Search for 4DTV ]. |
Why did HBO bring the first instance of encryption to C band?
Somebody correct me if I am wrong,but I think I vaguely recall reading somewhere that it was the cable companies who dictated that,because "they" didn't want people receiving HBO's signals for free. The cable companies are STILL dictating the market....along with help from "Dave" and "Charlie" tv. wrote in message s.com... I just read that HBO You just read *where* ??? Why not tell us the source? OnSat: 12-18 January, 2004 Page 4: lower left bottom HBO Pulls Four The network that brought the first instance of encryption to the C-BAND satellite TV market has pulled the analog plug on four of its feeds. Look for HBO2 East and West, HBO Signature East and MoreMax East to drop from the analog skies on April 30, 2004. HBO says that the channels will remain available to 4DTV customers, who will retain the full-complement of 26 HBO channels (that includes the East and West feeds of several specialized channels). We found Motorola DSR-922 receivers selling [NEW] for between $600.00 and $700.00 on eBay [ www.ebay.com Search for 4DTV ]. |
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:37:26 -0500, "Valdivar"
wrote: Why did HBO bring the first instance of encryption to C band? $$$ I don't know exact history, but I understand MACOM came out with the original VIDEOCIPHER; and MACOM "convinced" the industry to standardize their broadcasts with VIDEOCIPHER. Oriignally, like now, industry would have used different cipher formats, but somehow, most used Macom's VIDEOCIPHER back then. |
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:37:26 -0500, "Valdivar"
wrote: Why did HBO bring the first instance of encryption to C band? Interesting 1986 post: Newsgroups: net.analog,net.video,net.ham-radio Subject: Satellite Scrambling Rumor Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21-Jan-86 00:51:41 EST Article-I.D.: hydra.146 Posted: Tue Jan 21 00:51:41 1986 Date-Received: Thu, 23-Jan-86 10:28:39 EST http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain |
Valdivar wrote:
Why did HBO bring the first instance of encryption to C band? Somebody correct me if I am wrong,but I think I vaguely recall reading somewhere that it was the cable companies who dictated that,because "they" didn't want people receiving HBO's signals for free. Cable companies were selling HBO to their customers without compensating HBO. HBO had no way to control access to their signal, nor audit their cable company customers. So, they encrypted their signal. That's it in a nutshell. BUD owners just got the bad publicity (thanks to the cable MSOs.) |
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I remember well 1/1/86 when HBO/Cinemax pulled the switch. Within a year
most of the main cable fare had scrambled. I rented a VC2 finally in the Spring of 86, not knowing if I wanted to keep it, (I still have it, been updated to VC2+ a few years later) then the Super Stations scrambled too and SuperStar connection got together with Eastern Microwave to offer the supers to the BUD market. When I bought my BUD in 1985, everything was free except for a couple pron channels that did have some video scrambling. Ah the good ol' days. Patrick |
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:33:26 -0800, ric wrote:
Valdivar wrote: Why did HBO bring the first instance of encryption to C band? Cable companies were selling HBO to their customers without compensating HBO. HBO had no way to control access to their signal, nor audit their cable company customers. So, they encrypted their signal. That's it in a nutshell. Now, I heard that story before - "Confident of the quality of his fried chicken, the Colonel [ Sanders ] devoted himself to the chicken franchising business that he started in 1952. He traveled across the country by car from restaurant to restaurant, cooking batches of chicken for restaurant owners and their employees. If the reaction was favorable, he entered into a handshake agreement on a deal that stipulated a payment to him of a nickel for each chicken the restaurant sold." http://www.fiftiesweb.com/pop/kfc.htm Hence, "Cable companies [restaurants] were selling HBO [chicken] to their customers without compensating HBO [Colonel Sanders]. Yes sir, the old "American Way!" |
"Alan W. Blackmon" wrote in message ...
Of course now that they are digital we probably won't be able to get the ala-carte option for these channels due to Fox's crap deal. I visited two Dishnetwork usenet groups, alt.dbs.echostar.hack alt.dbs.echostar and found topics like this: Jan 21, 2004 Dish potentially losing Nick channels? (21 articles) Jan 21, 2004 Channels We DON'T Have (63 articles) It seems the grass may not be greener on the other side... |
You put alot of effort into proving something we already know, Buds are
superior to DBS. "LosAlamos" wrote in message om... "Alan W. Blackmon" wrote in message ... Of course now that they are digital we probably won't be able to get the ala-carte option for these channels due to Fox's crap deal. I visited two Dishnetwork usenet groups, alt.dbs.echostar.hack alt.dbs.echostar and found topics like this: Jan 21, 2004 Dish potentially losing Nick channels? (21 articles) Jan 21, 2004 Channels We DON'T Have (63 articles) It seems the grass may not be greener on the other side... |
"ric" wrote in message ... Valdivar wrote: Why did HBO bring the first instance of encryption to C band? Somebody correct me if I am wrong,but I think I vaguely recall reading somewhere that it was the cable companies who dictated that,because "they" didn't want people receiving HBO's signals for free. Cable companies were selling HBO to their customers without compensating HBO. HBO had no way to control access to their signal, nor audit their cable company customers. So, they encrypted their signal. That's it in a nutshell. BUD owners just got the bad publicity (thanks to the cable MSOs.) How did that improve the audit of cable company customers? |
"Sal M. Onella" wrote:
Cable companies were selling HBO to their customers without compensating HBO. HBO had no way to control access to their signal, nor audit their cable company customers. So, they encrypted their signal. That's it in a nutshell. BUD owners just got the bad publicity (thanks to the cable MSOs.) How did that improve the audit of cable company customers? No. Not the cable company's customers, but HBO's customers - the cable cos. Assuming that by "that" you mean the encryption of the signal, encryption and the required authorization allowed HBO to know who their cable customers were. Duh...you can't audit a customer if you don't know that they are a customer. |
ric wrote in message ...
Valdivar wrote: Cable companies were selling HBO to their customers without compensating HBO. HBO had no way to control access to their signal, nor audit their cable company customers. So, they encrypted their signal. That's it in a nutshell. "HBO transmits unenciphered video on so called multipoint distribution systems (2150 mhz) in more than 300 different metropoliten areas throughout the country. The modulation used is standard vestigal sideband AM with FM sound. All that is required to pirate HBO from such signals is a downconverter than converts the 2.15 GHZ to channel 3. Such downconverters used to be quite widely advertised for "Ham-TV" because a radio amateur band is nearby (2304 mhz)." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain Hence, HBO "had no way to control access" anyway, cause I know those devices to see HBO existed, and were used :- But, with digital, I suspect HBO may make more bucks, but... |
Actually, the analog/VC2+ channels are still there and transmitting too, at
least as of 12 hours ago when I last passed by them. On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, Valdivar wrote: Note: once again -an incorrect posting title! Travel and Animal are NOT leaving C band.In fact,they have NOT "left" C band,they are now in 4dtv format,have been added to the absolute digital package and after a brief phone call to my programmer for "hit" I have been enjoying them just as I did on analog! wrote in message s.com... On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:03:00 -0800, ric wrote: Bob Thompson wrote: I just read that HBO You just read *where* ??? Why not tell us the source? Onsat; in this issue http://www.tripled.com/onsat/onscov.jpg End of April is when HBO will turn off analog feeds. |
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