Leslie A Rhorer wrote:

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My question is, why are you two so bent out of shape by those of
us who consider the networking features to be important? I use
telnet and ftp fairly regularly, and I use TiVoWeb and tyStudio
almost constantly. Because of its features and support, I am
thinking about switching to TyShow. Exactly what about my desire and
that of those like me to make use of these tools is bothering you?

It has nothing to do with your desires and everything to do with someone
telling the OP, a guy with an interesting method of dial-up, that he's
essentially wasting his time and that it's easier to network it.

Read the original post; it's about someone figuring out a new dial-up method
and the thread immediately turned into an ad for networking the Tivo,
something most users have not done.

It would be more accurate for me to ask you guys why you're so insistent
that networking a Tivo is the best way to do things; that's simply what I've
been doing.

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Leslie A Rhorer wrote:
I don't see how the answer to the question "how many?" would even be
related to much less the reason for for the question "why?" And I
don't believe

*YOU* are the one who made the following statement:

No, Kenny *didn't* make the following statement. If you'd quote properly,
you'd be able to see that.

Why so many people are so desperate to use a broadband connection
to download program data that takes less than ten minutes a day
on a phone line is beyond me.

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Kenny wrote:

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I don't see how the answer to the question "how many?" would even be
related to much less the reason for for the question "why?" And I
don't believe that there really are a whole lot of people anxious to
get their Tivos connected to a network. Of the Tivo owners I know,
not one of them has networked their Tivo and not one of them has any
plans too do so. People buy these "toys" because the Jones' have
one, they plug them in and very quickly forget anything that they
briefly skimmed over in the manual, so they are generally clueless as
to using it to it's fullest potential. They learn how to record
stuff by trial and error and that's good enough for them.

Exactly my sentiments, which is exactly why a user posting a method of
connecting via modem and 800 number doesn't deserve to be overrun by people
simply telling him to network the machine.

Most people don't want to network the machine.

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"tooloud" wrote in message
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actually receive their program info via any means other than the
built-in modem. I'll bet it's pretty small.

You bet wrong. I don't know what fraction of users have
DirecTiVo, but I know it is not "pretty small".

Eh, correct on a technicality. Let me rephrase: what fraction of users
have installed a method of communicating directly with Tivo or DirecTV via
a means other than the built-in modem?

I'd ask it this way - What fraction of users have installed a method of
communicating directly with Tivo or DirecTV via a means other than the
out-of-the-box built-in factory enabled method of comminicating?

"Leslie A Rhorer" wrote in message
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I don't see how the answer to the question "how many?" would even be
related to much less the reason for for the question "why?" And I don't
believe

*YOU* are the one who made the following statement:

Why so many people are so desperate to use a broadband connection to
download program data that takes less than ten minutes a day on a
phone line is beyond me.

If you don't see it as related, why did you bring it up?

I did NOT say that. Too Loud said that.




that there really are a whole lot of people anxious to get their Tivos
connected to a network. Of the Tivo owners I know, not one of them has

If you don't belive there are a lot of people wanting to do it, why did
you say there are so many who are desperate to do so?


Why did so many people vote for Nader?
A raw number can be a lot but still be a low number when put into a the
proper context. If even 5 new people should up in this group every couple
of days looking to network their Tivos that would be percieved as a lot by
anyone. But when you look at the number of actual Tivo owners vs. the new
'want to network' people it the percieved greatness of the number is greatly
diminished.



networked their Tivo and not one of them has any plans too do so. People

You just said the question of "how many?" is not related to the
question "why?", yet once again you bring it up. Let me get this
straight. You are angry becasue

I'm not angry about anything Tivo related.

so many people want to do it and it is invalid for them to want to do it
because no one wants to do it? If no one wants to do it, then what's your
question?


The fact that I do not see any greatness in networking Tivos and don't
personally know anyone who does want to do it is a whole lot different than
that nonsense that you just pulled out of your ass.


buy these "toys" because the Jones' have one, they plug them in and very
quickly forget anything that they briefly skimmed over in the manual, so
they are generally clueless as to using it to it's fullest potential.
They learn how to record stuff by trial and error and that's good enough
for them.

That's fine for them. Many people never even bothered to set the time
on their VCRs. If others of us wish to make the fullest use of our
belongings, it's not up to you to criticise that desire. Do you really
belive becasue many people are like that, we all have to be?


Do you enjoy reaching up your ass to get this information?

How is my opinion on believing that most people are rather apathetic
regarding their Tivo a criticism of anyone who wants to use there Tivo to
it's fullest? And just why do you believe that because I think that most
people are a certain way that I must think that everyone should be the same?




My reasons for networking my TiVo are valid no matter how many or how few
other people have done it.

BFD

"Leslie A Rhorer" wrote in message
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Oh, and just for the record, how many TiVo owners do you know, and how
many are even aware their TiVos can be networked, and how many are aware
of the features of TiVoWeb, tyStudio / TyShow, ftp, telnet, and HMO?


Everyone I know that has a Tivo is aware of the networking option because I
have talked about it with them. Some knew about it before i brought it up
and some didn't. Had I not talked to them about it, I wouldn't be able to
say that they have no plans to network. I doubt any of them know anything
about TiVoWeb, tyStudio / TyShow, ftp, telnet and some are aware of the
Home Media Feature. They may give you an orgasm, but most people don't give
a rats ass because their Tivos do what they need them to do.

The actual number of people I know with Tivo is statistically useless and
only has limited diversity. I was merely stating my personal experience
with other Tivo owners.

"Leslie A Rhorer" wrote in message
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"Kenny" wrote in message
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"tooloud" wrote in message
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Why so many people are so desperate to use a broadband connection to
download program data that takes less than ten minutes a day on a phone
line is beyond me.


Actually it's about a two minute phone call that occurs mostly in the wee
hours of the night.

Which is when the teenagers do most of their talking, and when the wet
line problem was often worst. This is not really the point, however. The
point is, the daily call is the least important reason to network one's
TiVo. There are a number of important featires made available by
networking one's TiVo. Once networked, sending the daily call via
broadband is trivial, so there is no point in not doing it. The
disadvantage of the dialup may be slight, but why live with a even a small
disadvantage and inconvenience when it's totally unnecessary?

I have never been disadvantaged or inconvenienced by my Tivo's phone calls.
Not having features that i don't want or need is not a disadvantage.




why are they so desperate?

I don't know that anyone is desperate. The networked TiVo offers a
great many more advantages than one which is not networked, and networking
them is easy.

Keep in mind that you are asking this in a forum for an
electronic/computer like gizmo. It's going to be mostly tech-heads that
reside in and get heard in such a forum. So the popular opinion on any
subject is going to be heavily skewed toward the tech-head view.

Which makes your question even less valid.




People in this forum are the
sort who are more likely to take advantage of the broad range of features
offered by networking, whihc is why many of them want to network their
TiVo.

The vast majority of Tivo users have never even heard of
alt.video.ptv.tivo

So what? Neither had I a week ago when I decided to peek in on a TiVo
newsgroup to see what the latest tech blurb was. It doesn't matte if the
number of people who want to network their TiVo is 1 or 1,000,000. It's
their right to do so for whatever reasons they want.

You say that as if I've been saying that networking is the devil's work and
should never be attempted.




and see little or no reason to ever visit tivo.com and they also find
recording things at basic quality to be perfectly acceptable on their

Again, so what? No one is forcing anyone to network their TiVo or
suggesting anyone ever should be so forced. You act as if it is a
personal affront to you that anyone would wish to take more than average
advantage of the advanced technical features of a personal device, and
blithely ignore the existence of those features when you are told what
they are, then criticize those who do wish to avail themselves of such
features. What's your problem?

YOU are the one taking everthing personally. I give my opinion and you've
been pretty much twisting into things it's not.
My only real point was that while most of you tech-minded people think that
you are only doing what everyone else is doing, you're wrong becuase
relatively few people are doing it.



non-upgraded Tivos. They have no vanity to publicly display regarding
their Tivo or how they use it.

I rest my case.

What case?

Why are you so offended by the fact that most people are not interested in
networking their Tivo?