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Top Spin August 17th 04 06:10 AM

Are upgrades safe?
 
I see a lot of companies offering upgrades to TiVo (weaknees, tvrevo,
9thtee, etc.)

Are these safe (no damage to tivo) and reliable?

Is there any downside?

Are any of these companies better than the others?

It would be cool to have 700 hours instead of 40.

Thanks

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James August 17th 04 02:11 PM

The short answer:

YES !



In article ,
Top Spin wrote:

I see a lot of companies offering upgrades to TiVo (weaknees, tvrevo,
9thtee, etc.)

Are these safe (no damage to tivo) and reliable?


Yes (unless you're all thumbs or don't follow directions), yes.


Is there any downside?


Depends how much cost is a factor for you.

If you're handy with PC hardware, you can save money by buying Hard
Drives mail-order, and configuring them yourself.

http://www.upgrade-instructions.com


Are any of these companies better than the others?


The three you mentioned all have good reputations.


It would be cool to have 700 hours instead of 40.

Thanks


Unless you get an HD DirecTiVo and use it for SD stuff, your maximum is
about 240 hours (with two 160 Gig Drives). The Linux kernel in the non
HD TiVos only recognize up to 137 Gig per HD.

wkearney99 August 17th 04 02:47 PM

Are these safe (no damage to tivo) and reliable?

Yes. They add little more than what's already in the box. They add a second
drive, a very nice quality bracket (weaknees) and a pair of MUCH quieter fans.
Using better fans means keeping the unit cooler (mine now runs cooler than
stock) and this helps in keeping the drives from burning up. DO NOT LET YOUR
UNIT OVERHEAT, upgraded or not! The bane of any IDE drive is heat so don't cook
it!

Is there any downside?


Potentially warranty issues. By adding stuff to the unit you're voiding it's
warranty. If/when something died you'd either have to send it back to the
upgrade company or pull out the upgrade stuff and send the unit back in
'factory' condition. Most folks who do their own upgrades are prepared to do
the latter. If the upgrade portion is the part that dies most of the upgrade
companies understand how to work with people pulling the stuff and sending it
back for replacement.

Are any of these companies better than the others?


I got mine from weakness and it's been great. Granted, it's little more than a
very nice plastic bracket, a pair of fans, some nice instructions AND the hex
tools to open the box and remove the drive. But it's all very nicely done and
was a breeze to upgrade myself with a drive I purchased locally (compusa).

If/when my unit dies I'll figure out if it was a factory drive or the upgrade.
If it's the upgrade then I'll send it off to western digital (3 year warranty).
If it's the factory drive then I'll either just toss the drive or pull out the
upgraded stuff and send it back for repair. I'm more likely to just do the
drive myself.

It would be cool to have 700 hours instead of 40.


Eh, I find that I'm never filling up the 120/40gb combination I've got now. I
just don't bother keeping stuff for any appreciable amount of time (no more than
3 weeks usually). That and having a TON of stuff on the drive sometimes makes
it tedious to scroll through page after page on the Now Playing List.

I usually suggest folks upgrade like I did, add a 120gb drive with a weaknees
kit.

-Bill Kearney


Scott Alfter August 17th 04 10:37 PM

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James wrote:
Unless you get an HD DirecTiVo and use it for SD stuff, your maximum is
about 240 hours (with two 160 Gig Drives). The Linux kernel in the non
HD TiVos only recognize up to 137 Gig per HD.


You can replace the kernel on a Series 1 TiVo with one that includes LBA48
support. I have full use of the single 200GB hard drive in my HDR112.

ptvupgrade.com has a downloadable CD image that includes an LBA48 kernel and
other related disk-upgrade tools at this page:

http://www.ptvupgrade.com/support/bigdisk/

This page is also a useful reference on how to do the upgrade:

http://www.courtesan.com/tivo/bigdisk.html

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MegaZone August 18th 04 12:56 AM

James shaped the electrons to say:
Unless you get an HD DirecTiVo and use it for SD stuff, your maximum is
about 240 hours (with two 160 Gig Drives). The Linux kernel in the non
HD TiVos only recognize up to 137 Gig per HD.


The Pioneer DVD units have LBA48 support for large drives. As do the
*new* standalone units (the silver ones with the glowing logo on the
front, as seen on TiVo's site now). They all run 5.x software which
has a new kernel.

The existing S2 SA units should get that upgrade at some point to
allow them to handle large drives as well.

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Oren August 18th 04 12:59 AM

In article ,
(MegaZone) wrote:

James shaped the electrons to say:
Unless you get an HD DirecTiVo and use it for SD stuff, your maximum is
about 240 hours (with two 160 Gig Drives). The Linux kernel in the non
HD TiVos only recognize up to 137 Gig per HD.


The Pioneer DVD units have LBA48 support for large drives. As do the
*new* standalone units (the silver ones with the glowing logo on the
front, as seen on TiVo's site now). They all run 5.x software which
has a new kernel.

The existing S2 SA units should get that upgrade at some point to
allow them to handle large drives as well.


Don't buy promises.

MegaZone August 18th 04 07:34 PM

Oren shaped the electrons to say:
Don't buy promises.


Who's buying promises? Buy one of the new units out *now* and you
have LBA48 support. That's fact.

If you *already own* an S2 you should get it eventually too.

And if you buy a Pioneer unit you have it.

-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762
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Peter August 19th 04 12:20 AM

In article ,
(MegaZone) wrote:

Oren shaped the electrons to say:
Don't buy promises.


Who's buying promises? Buy one of the new units out *now* and you
have LBA48 support. That's fact.

If you *already own* an S2 you should get it eventually too.


Thats not EVEN a promise.

MegaZone August 19th 04 03:49 AM

Peter shaped the electrons to say:
Thats not EVEN a promise.


What part of "If you buy a new unit now you'll have LBA48 support" is
hard to understand? They are out, in stores, shipping from TiVo,
etc. And the Pioneer units have had LBA48 support since last year.

If you already own a box what are you 'buying'? You didn't buy it for
LBA48 support, so if you do get it - bonus.

BTW, TiVoPony has indicated the upgrade will hit existing S2 boxes.

-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762
--
URL:mailto:megazoneatmegazone.org Gweep, Discordian, Author, Engineer, me.
"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men" 508-755-4098
URL:http://www.megazone.org/ URL:http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Eris

Jim August 19th 04 11:26 AM

In article ,
(MegaZone) wrote:

Peter shaped the electrons to say:
Thats not EVEN a promise.


What part of "If you buy a new unit now you'll have LBA48 support" is
hard to understand? They are out, in stores, shipping from TiVo,
etc. And the Pioneer units have had LBA48 support since last year.

If you already own a box what are you 'buying'? You didn't buy it for
LBA48 support, so if you do get it - bonus.

BTW, TiVoPony has indicated the upgrade will hit existing S2 boxes.


Thats what I'm objecting to. This rumor you're treating like FACT.

Jack Ak August 19th 04 06:55 PM


"Jim" wrote in message ...
In article ,
(MegaZone) wrote:

Peter shaped the electrons to say:
Thats not EVEN a promise.


What part of "If you buy a new unit now you'll have LBA48 support" is
hard to understand? They are out, in stores, shipping from TiVo,
etc. And the Pioneer units have had LBA48 support since last year.

If you already own a box what are you 'buying'? You didn't buy it for
LBA48 support, so if you do get it - bonus.

BTW, TiVoPony has indicated the upgrade will hit existing S2 boxes.


Thats what I'm objecting to. This rumor you're treating like FACT.


When the source is a TiVo employee, the rumor should be called a prediction.


MegaZone August 19th 04 09:18 PM

Jim shaped the electrons to say:
Thats what I'm objecting to. This rumor you're treating like FACT.


What rumor I'm treating like fact?

The FACT is the units shipping NOW had it. Period.

I have said the existing S2 units *should* get the upgrade and that a
TiVo employee has *indicated* that they will.

Last I checked 'should' isn't a definite statement, but one of
probability. I did not say "S2 units will get it".

And the second statement is just passing on what a TiVo employee,
TiVoPony, indicated.

No definitive statement that S2 units will definitely receive the
upgrade.

Though I would personally bet on it.

-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762
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Steven August 19th 04 09:24 PM

In article ,
(MegaZone) wrote:

Jim shaped the electrons to say:
Thats what I'm objecting to. This rumor you're treating like FACT.


What rumor I'm treating like fact?

The FACT is the units shipping NOW had it. Period.

I have said the existing S2 units *should* get the upgrade and that a
TiVo employee has *indicated* that they will.


Thank you.

Top Spin August 22nd 04 06:20 PM

On 17 Aug 2004 22:56:23 GMT, (MegaZone)
wrote:

James shaped the electrons to say:
Unless you get an HD DirecTiVo and use it for SD stuff, your maximum is
about 240 hours (with two 160 Gig Drives). The Linux kernel in the non
HD TiVos only recognize up to 137 Gig per HD.


The Pioneer DVD units have LBA48 support for large drives. As do the
*new* standalone units (the silver ones with the glowing logo on the
front, as seen on TiVo's site now). They all run 5.x software which
has a new kernel.

The existing S2 SA units should get that upgrade at some point to
allow them to handle large drives as well.


I have a Series 2 unit (TCD 2400 8A) purchased last February. How can
I tell if I have the support for larger HDs. I'm assuming that I
don't.

How will existing Series 2 units get this new kernel? Is it something
that they can download during the nightly call in?

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MegaZone August 22nd 04 11:49 PM

Top Spin shaped the electrons to say:
I have a Series 2 unit (TCD 2400 8A) purchased last February. How can
I tell if I have the support for larger HDs. I'm assuming that I
don't.


No, the units which have model numbers starting with TCD540 have the
new kernel, along with the Pioneer units.

How will existing Series 2 units get this new kernel? Is it something
that they can download during the nightly call in?


Yes, it'd be just like any other software upgrade.

No word on when to expect it, but my educated guess is that they'll
wait to get some field experience with the new software on the new
boxes to make sure it is solid. Since the HW is a bit different - the
new boxes have new internals for lower production costs - they'll
probably run a beta of the new software on the older hardware.

-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762
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"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men" 508-755-4098
URL:http://www.megazone.org/ URL:http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Eris


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