Picture Quality
 

I have the 80 hour series 2....record everything on Best. It still
seems the machine cuts down the picture quality. It's not horrible by
any means but I can still see artifacts in the picture. I suppose
there's nothing that can be done about this? I think in Wired I
recently read a Tivo vs. Replay comparison, Tivo won in everything
EXCEPT picture quality. :(

In article ,
Axl wrote:

I have the 80 hour series 2....record everything on Best. It still
seems the machine cuts down the picture quality. It's not horrible by
any means but I can still see artifacts in the picture. I suppose
there's nothing that can be done about this? I think in Wired I
recently read a Tivo vs. Replay comparison, Tivo won in everything
EXCEPT picture quality. :(

If you want the best picture you need a DirecTiVo, where the recording
is a perfect copy of the digital signal.

Martin wrote:
Axl wrote:

I have the 80 hour series 2....record everything on Best. It still
seems the machine cuts down the picture quality. It's not horrible
by any means but I can still see artifacts in the picture. I suppose
there's nothing that can be done about this? I think in Wired I
recently read a Tivo vs. Replay comparison, Tivo won in everything
EXCEPT picture quality. :(

If you want the best picture you need a DirecTiVo, where the recording
is a perfect copy of the digital signal.

That's debatable. While I love my DirecTiVo, there is considerable
degration in the signal quality done by DirecTV. With cable you might
end up with a better recording, even with TiVo's compression.

Things are generally pretty good on the local channels, but the picture
quality can get pretty crappy on some of the smaller-viewership
channels.

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* Scott Seligman Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:

If you want the best picture you need a DirecTiVo, where the
recording is a perfect copy of the digital signal.

That's debatable. While I love my DirecTiVo, there is considerable
degration in the signal quality done by DirecTV. With cable you
might end up with a better recording, even with TiVo's
compression.


That is also debatable. At least you GET what you SEE with Dtivo, if
you are OK with the quality when you watch it live, you wont be
disappointed when you watch the recorded version as they are the same,
not so with an SA, cable/dtv compression not withstanding.

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David

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:29:41 +0000, SINNER wrote:

That is also debatable. At least you GET what you SEE with Dtivo, if you
are OK with the quality when you watch it live, you wont be disappointed
when you watch the recorded version as they are the same, not so with an
SA, cable/dtv compression not withstanding.

That's misleading. If you watch live on a Standalone TiVo, and then choose
to record it, you do see the same quality on the recording as with live TV
(unless you choose to record in a quality other than "Best").

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Lenroc

* Lenroc Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:29:41 +0000, SINNER wrote:

That is also debatable. At least you GET what you SEE with Dtivo,
if you are OK with the quality when you watch it live, you wont
be disappointed when you watch the recorded version as they are
the same, not so with an SA, cable/dtv compression not
withstanding.

That's misleading. If you watch live on a Standalone TiVo, and
then choose to record it, you do see the same quality on the
recording as with live TV (unless you choose to record in a
quality other than "Best").


The OP said thats not the case.

I have the 80 hour series 2....record everything on Best. It still
seems the machine cuts down the picture quality.

I was under the impression that BEST is still not quite the way you
viewed it. Isnt there some MPEG compression on the SA's and isnt that
lossy compression?

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David

In article ,
"Scott Seligman" wrote:

Martin wrote:
Axl wrote:

I have the 80 hour series 2....record everything on Best. It still
seems the machine cuts down the picture quality. It's not horrible
by any means but I can still see artifacts in the picture. I suppose
there's nothing that can be done about this? I think in Wired I
recently read a Tivo vs. Replay comparison, Tivo won in everything
EXCEPT picture quality. :(

If you want the best picture you need a DirecTiVo, where the recording
is a perfect copy of the digital signal.

That's debatable. While I love my DirecTiVo, there is considerable
degration in the signal quality done by DirecTV.

Then you may have one of the VERY RARE defective machines.

SINNER wrote:
I was under the impression that BEST is still not quite the way you
viewed it. Isnt there some MPEG compression on the SA's and isnt that
lossy compression?

Best quality is indeed a lossy MPEG compressions. When viewing live
TV through the TiVo, it's still being recorded and displayed, at best
quality.

If you routinely watch TV outside of the TiVo, and only watch recordings
(even at best), then you will notice a degradation in quality, unless
you use a DirecTiVo. If you only use the TiVo to watch TV, then recorded
programs will be the same as live TV.

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Martin wrote:
"Scott Seligman" wrote:
That's debatable. While I love my DirecTiVo, there is considerable
degration in the signal quality done by DirecTV.

Then you may have one of the VERY RARE defective machines.

So rare, all three of my DirecTiVos exhibit it, and I've noticed it on
the units at two friends' houses. It's so rare I've even seen it on
non-TiVo DirecTV receivers.

Some DirecTV channels are horribly compressed. They're all compressed,
and with a the right setup, you can defiantly see MPEG artifacting, but
it's painfully obvious on some channels. As I mentioned, it's not as big
a deal on some local channels where DirecTV's compressions is generally
better, in my experience, than good cable + TiVo's compression. But on
some of the niche channels, the quality is pretty bad.

This changes from time to time as DirecTV moves channels around and
such, but it's generally true.

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* Scott Seligman Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:

SINNER wrote:
I was under the impression that BEST is still not quite the way
you viewed it. Isnt there some MPEG compression on the SA's and
isnt that lossy compression?

Best quality is indeed a lossy MPEG compressions. When viewing
live TV through the TiVo, it's still being recorded and displayed,
at best quality.

If you routinely watch TV outside of the TiVo, and only watch
recordings (even at best), then you will notice a degradation in
quality, unless you use a DirecTiVo. If you only use the TiVo to
watch TV, then recorded programs will be the same as live TV.


Ahhh, Makes total sense.

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David