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You know they are doing this just to **** people with PVRs off. I
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:10:34 -0600, MrPaul wrote:
Is anyone else aggrivated by the fact that NBC (maybe just my local affiliate) is starting shows during primetime at like 6:59. Now I got to setup manual recordings in order to record shows that run from 6-7 or 7-8. You know they are doing this just to **** people with PVRs off. I really don't understand because there is just a good a chance of the person with the season pass missing whatever NBC has on. Oh well....anyone have a good snail mail address to complain to? They are doing this to sell extra slots of commercial time, during the airing of their popular shows. And it sure sucks for us PVR users. Best regards, Tim == (substitute 'tcsys.com' for 'nospam.co.uk') _________________ HDR212 @ 246 hours, Turbonet, "Electriclegs" HDVR2 @ 243 hours Visit the Surrender Dorothy web !! (http://dorothyrocks.com) Visit the Crunch Monkey web !! (http://crunchmonkey.com) |
* Timothy J Trace Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on 2004-01-26:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:10:34 -0600, MrPaul wrote: Is anyone else aggrivated by the fact that NBC (maybe just my local affiliate) is starting shows during primetime at like 6:59. Now I got to setup manual recordings in order to record shows that run from 6-7 or 7-8. You know they are doing this just to **** people with PVRs off. I really don't understand because there is just a good a chance of the person with the season pass missing whatever NBC has on. Oh well....anyone have a good snail mail address to complain to? They are doing this to sell extra slots of commercial time, during the airing of their popular shows. And it sure sucks for us PVR users. Not if you have a DirecTivo. -- David | AGM Favorite Games - http://tinyurl.com/loec Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? |
"Timothy J. Trace" wrote in message
... On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:10:34 -0600, MrPaul wrote: Is anyone else aggrivated by the fact that NBC (maybe just my local affiliate) is starting shows during primetime at like 6:59. Now I got to setup manual recordings in order to record shows that run from 6-7 or 7-8. You know they are doing this just to **** people with PVRs off. I really don't understand because there is just a good a chance of the person with the season pass missing whatever NBC has on. Oh well....anyone have a good snail mail address to complain to? They are doing this to sell extra slots of commercial time, during the airing of their popular shows. And it sure sucks for us PVR users. I am convinced that they do this just to screw the PVR users in the regard that they will have to cancel another networks shows that show right before to tape theirs. There is no other reason. It's stupid. Best regards, Tim == (substitute 'tcsys.com' for 'nospam.co.uk') _________________ HDR212 @ 246 hours, Turbonet, "Electriclegs" HDVR2 @ 243 hours Visit the Surrender Dorothy web !! (http://dorothyrocks.com) Visit the Crunch Monkey web !! (http://crunchmonkey.com) |
"John Poutre" wrote
They are doing this to sell extra slots of commercial time, during the airing of their popular shows. And it sure sucks for us PVR users. I am convinced that they do this just to screw the PVR users in the regard that they will have to cancel another networks shows that show right before to tape theirs. There is no other reason. It's stupid. There are not enough PVR users for NBC to do this to thwart them. They charge a lot more for ads during very popular shows than other shows. So, they make the very popular shows longer to make more money. If you don't believe this, you don't have to. |
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Timothy J. Trace wrote: They are doing this to sell extra slots of commercial time, during the airing of their popular shows. This argument has validity for the "er" and "Friends" examples, it does not have validity for many others. For example, AFAIK, Fear Factor gets FAR FAR FAR higher ratings than Las Vegas. Yet Fear Factor has a :59 length, Las Vegas has a 1:00 length, and Average Joe 2 has a 1:01 length. In the case of "er", it was actually good, because it (except for one likely intentional screwup this year), it allowed us to get all of er *without* manual padding. You still need to post-pad Friends though. In these Monday examples, it is definitely *bad* because the shows *ARE* starting on the actual hour (which is good for manual-recordings at least), but they have these funky official timeslots. For example, several of the commercials at the end of Fear Factor and the end credits were in the Las Vegas recording. This doesn't bother me, but for shows that have an 'end gag' or ones that I want to keep (usually just 'er'), it does. |
Interesting. I don't record those shows, but if you did it manually
wouldn't it work? I'm relatively new, though, so I'm not quite sure. "John Poutre" wrote in message ... "Timothy J. Trace" wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:10:34 -0600, MrPaul wrote: Is anyone else aggrivated by the fact that NBC (maybe just my local affiliate) is starting shows during primetime at like 6:59. Now I got to setup manual recordings in order to record shows that run from 6-7 or 7-8. You know they are doing this just to **** people with PVRs off. I really don't understand because there is just a good a chance of the person with the season pass missing whatever NBC has on. Oh well....anyone have a good snail mail address to complain to? They are doing this to sell extra slots of commercial time, during the airing of their popular shows. And it sure sucks for us PVR users. I am convinced that they do this just to screw the PVR users in the regard that they will have to cancel another networks shows that show right before to tape theirs. There is no other reason. It's stupid. Best regards, Tim == (substitute 'tcsys.com' for 'nospam.co.uk') _________________ HDR212 @ 246 hours, Turbonet, "Electriclegs" HDVR2 @ 243 hours Visit the Surrender Dorothy web !! (http://dorothyrocks.com) Visit the Crunch Monkey web !! (http://crunchmonkey.com) |
"Fustanella" wrote in message ... You know they are doing this just to **** people with PVRs off. I Doesn't NBC have a stake in TiVo? Uh, doesn't (MS)NBC have a stake in UltimateTV? somehow, and this is purely a guess, I wouldn't be surprised if UltimateTV was able to deal with this sort of thing better than competing products. That is, at least to the extent that you will not miss any of the NBC program... |
Uh, doesn't (MS)NBC have a stake in UltimateTV?
What, that old thing? |
Darrell wrote:
Uh, doesn't (MS)NBC have a stake in UltimateTV? somehow, and this is purely a guess, I wouldn't be surprised if UltimateTV was able to deal with this sort of thing better than competing products. That is, at least to the extent that you will not miss any of the NBC program... Microsoft created UltimateTV, yes, but it's pretty much an end-of-life product. Microsoft aren't spending much (any?) effort on the software (we got a version upgrade last year, but it's doubtful if any more will come out) and the development team has been reassigned to other projects. UTV has default "record 1 minute before start time, end 5 minutes after end time" (unless the recording schedule conflicts, in which case the extended times are truncated accordingly) and, like the DirecTiVo, has two tuners. If there are no other recording conflicts, a show starting at :59 is likely to be recorded by UTV properly, even if the guide says it starts on the hour. Despite it being a Microsoft product (and me very much not a proponent of Microsoft), the UTV box was actually a nice piece of kit! I'll be sad when mine dies and I eventually have to get a DirecTiVo (now a DirecTiVo with SA feature software - grouping of recordings, ethernet access etc - would be an easier migration :-) ) -- Stephen Harris The truth is the truth, and opinion just opinion. But what is what? My employer pays to ignore my opinions; you get to do it for free. |
Yes, I had to tape ER Manually since TIVO won't let you start 1 min late
(they should fix this). So now, I have ER manually recorded, which is fine to it. But I find I now have to checked every day to see if any other shows are doing this and screwing up my recordings... "chap5871" wrote in message om... Interesting. I don't record those shows, but if you did it manually wouldn't it work? I'm relatively new, though, so I'm not quite sure. "John Poutre" wrote in message ... "Timothy J. Trace" wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:10:34 -0600, MrPaul wrote: Is anyone else aggrivated by the fact that NBC (maybe just my local affiliate) is starting shows during primetime at like 6:59. Now I got to setup manual recordings in order to record shows that run from 6-7 or 7-8. You know they are doing this just to **** people with PVRs off. I really don't understand because there is just a good a chance of the person with the season pass missing whatever NBC has on. Oh well....anyone have a good snail mail address to complain to? They are doing this to sell extra slots of commercial time, during the airing of their popular shows. And it sure sucks for us PVR users. I am convinced that they do this just to screw the PVR users in the regard that they will have to cancel another networks shows that show right before to tape theirs. There is no other reason. It's stupid. Best regards, Tim == (substitute 'tcsys.com' for 'nospam.co.uk') _________________ HDR212 @ 246 hours, Turbonet, "Electriclegs" HDVR2 @ 243 hours Visit the Surrender Dorothy web !! (http://dorothyrocks.com) Visit the Crunch Monkey web !! (http://crunchmonkey.com) |
"Bao H. Lammy" wrote in message
... "John Poutre" wrote They are doing this to sell extra slots of commercial time, during the airing of their popular shows. And it sure sucks for us PVR users. I am convinced that they do this just to screw the PVR users in the regard that they will have to cancel another networks shows that show right before to tape theirs. There is no other reason. It's stupid. There are not enough PVR users for NBC to do this to thwart them. They charge a lot more for ads during very popular shows than other shows. So, they make the very popular shows longer to make more money. If you don't believe this, you don't have to. Yeah, you are probably right but I still think that they see that little benefit to this. Could be I am just ticked off at them for doing it too, all in the name of more Ads. |
"John Poutre" wrote
There are not enough PVR users for NBC to do this to thwart them. They charge a lot more for ads during very popular shows than other shows. So, they make the very popular shows longer to make more money. If you don't believe this, you don't have to. Yeah, you are probably right but I still think that they see that little benefit to this. Could be I am just ticked off at them for doing it too, all in the name of more Ads. I don't think NBC is losing sleep over PVR users having problems, either. But again, there are so few PVR users that it doesn't make sense for them to **** us off yet on purpose, imo. Will they some day if the number of PVR users becomes significant? IMO, there is a high probability of that. Just not yet. |
I wanted to tape a 8-9 followed by a 9-9:30 but the 9-9:30 showed up as 8:59
so I couldn't do it. Tell the knucklehead tv execs to switch on the hour. " |
On 28-Jan-2004, "Bao H. Lammy" wrote: They charge a lot more for ads during very popular shows than other shows. So, they make the very popular shows longer to make more money... Not necessarily. For example the Apprentice tonight starts at 8:59 and ends at 9:59. Still 1 hour. |
They charge a lot more for ads during very popular shows than other
shows. So, they make the very popular shows longer to make more money... Not necessarily. For example the Apprentice tonight starts at 8:59 and ends at 9:59. Still 1 hour. Yes, but that was probably done to keep you on the channel and watching ER, which is 61 minutes. I'm not sure, but I'd guess that a show like ER, even when it's a repeat, draws a higher ad price than the Apprentice. -- script language="JavaScript"// Scott Seligman for(var i=0;i73;i++)document.write(String.fromCharCode((" lsYrsiwb7pir~~|=~fr"+ (i)-("P2Y*!$1E5#()2*-"+ (i)+32));/script |
"Bao H. Lammy" wrote in message ...
"John Poutre" wrote There are not enough PVR users for NBC to do this to thwart them. They charge a lot more for ads during very popular shows than other shows. So, they make the very popular shows longer to make more money. If you don't believe this, you don't have to. Yeah, you are probably right but I still think that they see that little benefit to this. Could be I am just ticked off at them for doing it too, all in the name of more Ads. I don't think NBC is losing sleep over PVR users having problems, either. But again, there are so few PVR users that it doesn't make sense for them to **** us off yet on purpose, imo. Will they some day if the number of PVR users becomes significant? IMO, there is a high probability of that. Just not yet. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the other reason for doing this was to catch channel surfers flicking while other shows are in commercial - attract undecided viewers. Anyway - I don't tivo too much on NBC anyway, and the times that I have, I have had no problems really. But either way, NBC stinks for this! |
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"Bao H. Lammy" wrote: There are not enough PVR users for NBC to do this to thwart them. They charge a lot more for ads during very popular shows than other shows. So, they make the very popular shows longer to make more money. If you don't believe this, you don't have to. Note" Much of my post is OLD NEWS to TV/Tivo junkies" You are 100% right. PVR's is a VERY SMALL number of people in the big picture. And yes, NBC does have a stake in Tivo (they even "plant" Tivo logos and units in the scenes of some shows such as "Friends"). Networks screw around with starting times and ending times of shows to snare in common viewers in an attempt to keep you from changing the channel. It's that whole "lead in" thing. That's why the slot after "Friends" is so coveted. If you have a new show and you are on after "Friends", you have a much better chance of becoming a hit because you'll get commercials for your DURING "Friends". And...something else that NBC innovated several years ago. They don't put commercials on in between hit shows. For example, "Will And Grace" comes on immediately after "Friends" (I think? I don't watch the former) giving the common viewer no chance to "get bored" and do some channel surfing. In the old days, there would be commercials in between and the viewer might forget to stay tuned in for "Will And Grace". Some of this sounds less than plausible to PVR owners as we are more suave (HA! for lack of a better) when it comes to watching what we WANT (a major selling point for PVRs). Also, another thing that NBC and TV programmers came up with awhile back was eliminating lengthy theme songs to shows. A long theme song gives the viewer a window of opportunity to channel surf and maybe forget to go back to that show. That's why, using "Friends" again, many shows will start right off with a intro segment for the show and then show the theme song and credits. I could go on...but you get the idea. |
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Dustin Emhart wrote: Didn't Ted Turner used to do this back in the day, by starting programs on TBS at 5 past the hour? (I can't begin to think of the number of Braves telecasts that were 7:05 airtimes.) His logic was, once you watched the end of one of his shows, the other shows had started, so you'd stay on TBS. YUP!!!! |
karenL ) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
Again, it's not just about commercials...it's about "lead-in" times and hooking the live viewers in (live viewers are the priority...not PVR viewers). This doesn't explain why "Friends" runs 32 minutes or "Frasier" runs 31. You can turn off of them and miss the last gag with no real loss. It really is all about the price of commercials "inside" higher rated shows vs. commercials "inside" less popular shows vs. commercials "between" shows. Industry insiders have confirmed this. -- Jeff Rife | "The Babylon Project was our last, best hope For address harvesters: | for peace.... It failed." | | -- Commander Susan Ivanova, 2260 | |
* Jeff Rife Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on 2004-02-02:
karenL ) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo: Again, it's not just about commercials...it's about "lead-in" times and hooking the live viewers in (live viewers are the priority...not PVR viewers). This doesn't explain why "Friends" runs 32 minutes or "Frasier" runs 31. You can turn off of them and miss the last gag with no real loss. Many would disagree about the no loss part which is why I believe Karen is at least partially correct. -- David | AGM Favorite Games - http://tinyurl.com/loec Authors are easy to get on with -- if you're fond of children. -- Michael Joseph, "Observer" |
"Jeff Rife" wrote
This doesn't explain why "Friends" runs 32 minutes or "Frasier" runs 31. You can turn off of them and miss the last gag with no real loss. Many would disagree about the no loss part which is why I believe Karen is at least partially correct. The gag on "Fraiser" is visual only, and if "Friends" is a rerun, they replace the gag with promos. Really no big deal. [snip] Actually, quite a big deal to those who really like the given show. Missing the visual gag on Frasier irritates completists. And even though I don't like Friends that much, I watch it since my girlfriend likes to watch it with some company. We both are irritated when we miss the end gag, especially when we can't do anything about it (if it's a rerun). Little cuts here and there, including the ones at the end as discussed above, are the reason why I basically never watch syndicated reruns. |
Bao H. Lammy ) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
Actually, quite a big deal to those who really like the given show. Missing the visual gag on Frasier irritates completists. And even though I don't like Friends that much, I watch it since my girlfriend likes to watch it with some company. We both are irritated when we miss the end gag, especially when we can't do anything about it (if it's a rerun). Maybe I should re-phrase. It's really no big deal to people that didn't record it to watch at a later date. You then have the choice...change the channel and miss the very end, or don't, and miss the beginning of the next show. But, if you recorded with TiVo *and* the guide data is accurate, then you didn't miss the end gag of the show you wanted. The real problem is that although NBC is now giving some indications that they realize their shows don't start right on the half-hour, the guide data is still wrong. This is why you miss the end of "Friends". But, when "Friends" was scheduled for an actual 30-minute block (5 years ago or so), you *still* missed the end gag, as it was really 31 minutes long. The problem isn't that NBC shows don't start on the half-hour...the problem is that NBC shows don't start and end when the guide data says they do, despite the fact that the guide data is now showing more (or less) than half-hour shows. This causes conflict issues because TiVo cannnot do negative padding or record down to the minute. If the guide data for NBC shows just said they ran a half hour, we could manually pad (or not) as we see fit. If the guide data for the shows was 100% accurate, we at least would get the whole show. The problem now is that we have the worst of both worlds. -- Jeff Rife | "Women...can't live with 'em...can't explain to For address harvesters: | the desk clerk why you only need one bed." | | -- Ellen | |
Bao H. Lammy ) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
Actually, quite a big deal to those who really like the given show. Missing the visual gag on Frasier irritates completists. And even though I don't like Friends that much, I watch it since my girlfriend likes to watch it with some company. We both are irritated when we miss the end gag, especially when we can't do anything about it (if it's a rerun). "Jeff Rife" wrote Maybe I should re-phrase. It's really no big deal to people that didn't record it to watch at a later date. You then have the choice...change the channel and miss the very end, or don't, and miss the beginning of the next show. But, if you recorded with TiVo *and* the guide data is accurate, then you didn't miss the end gag of the show you wanted. [snip] Actually, we rarely miss the end gags on shows because I do everything possible to avoid such, including manual padding, block recording, and using another recorder if needed. I really don't like missing a show and then having to record the rerun weeks later due to cutting of the end gags. (I used to think this only happened with syndicated reruns...nope.) So, I don't make sure not to miss them. My point was that if I was to miss it, I'd be irritated. As it is now, it is an inconvenience to make sure I don't miss this material. |
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote in message
... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 MrPaul wrote: Is anyone else aggrivated by the fact that NBC (maybe just my local affiliate) is starting shows during primetime at like 6:59. Now I got to setup manual recordings in order to record shows that run from 6-7 or 7-8. Why not setup the season pass to start recording the program one minute early (there is an option to start early and also an option to end late)? The only catch here is that any other program set to record during the previous timeslot might conflict (much less of an issue with a two-tuner DTivo compared to a single tuner SATivo). You know they are doing this just to **** people with PVRs off. I really don't understand because there is just a good a chance of the person with the season pass missing whatever NBC has on. No, they are doing it to **** off PVR owners. That would be a lot of work to **** off a small minority of viewers. Much more likely is that their "clock" is not synced with your Tivos. Oh no, not a clock problem at all, my TIVO says it starts at 9:59, NBC does this on purpose. Probably not to screw up PVR owners, but to somehow get you to watch this show. It's STUPID with a capital S T U P I and D. Only way I can do it is to manually record ER starting at 10, as TIVO can't start 1 min late. Oh well....anyone have a good snail mail address to complain to? Better to just adjust your Season passes for NBC. Paul - -- Thomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAIVHv1p0e3NXsrtERAo2uAJwJaQALpuIzxcbPQz53/JPyw6ELtwCaA0AX oe71Q7PlrTapVPG1Kq3BASo= =loLP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
* John Poutre Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on 2004-02-04:
Oh no, not a clock problem at all, my TIVO says it starts at 9:59, NBC does this on purpose. Probably not to screw up PVR owners, but to somehow get you to watch this show. It's STUPID with a capital S T U P I and D. Only way I can do it is to manually record ER starting at 10, as TIVO can't start 1 min late. Sure it can, set a manual recording to reoccur. -- David | AGM Favorite Games - http://tinyurl.com/loec Do not think by infection, catching an opinion like a cold. |
"SINNER" wrote in message
... * John Poutre Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on 2004-02-04: Oh no, not a clock problem at all, my TIVO says it starts at 9:59, NBC does this on purpose. Probably not to screw up PVR owners, but to somehow get you to watch this show. It's STUPID with a capital S T U P I and D. Only way I can do it is to manually record ER starting at 10, as TIVO can't start 1 min late. Sure it can, set a manual recording to reoccur. Well, that is what I do as TIVO can not start 1 min late. Bad thing about this is if ER ever moved, which I am not to worried about. -- David | AGM Favorite Games - http://tinyurl.com/loec Do not think by infection, catching an opinion like a cold. |
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote:
You said that your TIVO says that it starts at 9:59 ... so it is starting one minute early, not late. Tell it to start recording one minute early. One show runs from 8:00pm to 9:00pm. The other runs from 8:59pm to 9:59pm. It's impossible for TiVo to record both shows without setting up a manual recording. If you could do negative padding you could end the recording of the first show 1 minute early or start the recording of the second show 1 minute late. Regards, Daniel -- -------------------------------------------------------------- | | -------------------------------------------------------------- |
Thomas T. Veldhouse ) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
Daniel Barton wrote: One show runs from 8:00pm to 9:00pm. The other runs from 8:59pm to 9:59pm. It's impossible for TiVo to record both shows without setting up a manual recording. That is true, but if they are on the same channel, it doesn't matter as much. It's impossible for them to be on the same channel *and* for the guide data to be accurate. -- Jeff Rife | For address harvesters: | http://www.nabs.net/Cartoons/Dilbert/LoveRanking.jpg | | | |
I have moved all those NBC shows that start at :59 to the very end of the
season pass. NBC, you goofed!!!!! |
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