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Dustin Emhart wrote: Didn't Ted Turner used to do this back in the day, by starting programs on TBS at 5 past the hour? (I can't begin to think of the number of Braves telecasts that were 7:05 airtimes.) His logic was, once you watched the end of one of his shows, the other shows had started, so you'd stay on TBS. YUP!!!! |
karenL ) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
Again, it's not just about commercials...it's about "lead-in" times and hooking the live viewers in (live viewers are the priority...not PVR viewers). This doesn't explain why "Friends" runs 32 minutes or "Frasier" runs 31. You can turn off of them and miss the last gag with no real loss. It really is all about the price of commercials "inside" higher rated shows vs. commercials "inside" less popular shows vs. commercials "between" shows. Industry insiders have confirmed this. -- Jeff Rife | "The Babylon Project was our last, best hope For address harvesters: | for peace.... It failed." | | -- Commander Susan Ivanova, 2260 | |
* Jeff Rife Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on 2004-02-02:
karenL ) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo: Again, it's not just about commercials...it's about "lead-in" times and hooking the live viewers in (live viewers are the priority...not PVR viewers). This doesn't explain why "Friends" runs 32 minutes or "Frasier" runs 31. You can turn off of them and miss the last gag with no real loss. Many would disagree about the no loss part which is why I believe Karen is at least partially correct. -- David | AGM Favorite Games - http://tinyurl.com/loec Authors are easy to get on with -- if you're fond of children. -- Michael Joseph, "Observer" |
"Jeff Rife" wrote
This doesn't explain why "Friends" runs 32 minutes or "Frasier" runs 31. You can turn off of them and miss the last gag with no real loss. Many would disagree about the no loss part which is why I believe Karen is at least partially correct. The gag on "Fraiser" is visual only, and if "Friends" is a rerun, they replace the gag with promos. Really no big deal. [snip] Actually, quite a big deal to those who really like the given show. Missing the visual gag on Frasier irritates completists. And even though I don't like Friends that much, I watch it since my girlfriend likes to watch it with some company. We both are irritated when we miss the end gag, especially when we can't do anything about it (if it's a rerun). Little cuts here and there, including the ones at the end as discussed above, are the reason why I basically never watch syndicated reruns. |
Bao H. Lammy ) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
Actually, quite a big deal to those who really like the given show. Missing the visual gag on Frasier irritates completists. And even though I don't like Friends that much, I watch it since my girlfriend likes to watch it with some company. We both are irritated when we miss the end gag, especially when we can't do anything about it (if it's a rerun). Maybe I should re-phrase. It's really no big deal to people that didn't record it to watch at a later date. You then have the choice...change the channel and miss the very end, or don't, and miss the beginning of the next show. But, if you recorded with TiVo *and* the guide data is accurate, then you didn't miss the end gag of the show you wanted. The real problem is that although NBC is now giving some indications that they realize their shows don't start right on the half-hour, the guide data is still wrong. This is why you miss the end of "Friends". But, when "Friends" was scheduled for an actual 30-minute block (5 years ago or so), you *still* missed the end gag, as it was really 31 minutes long. The problem isn't that NBC shows don't start on the half-hour...the problem is that NBC shows don't start and end when the guide data says they do, despite the fact that the guide data is now showing more (or less) than half-hour shows. This causes conflict issues because TiVo cannnot do negative padding or record down to the minute. If the guide data for NBC shows just said they ran a half hour, we could manually pad (or not) as we see fit. If the guide data for the shows was 100% accurate, we at least would get the whole show. The problem now is that we have the worst of both worlds. -- Jeff Rife | "Women...can't live with 'em...can't explain to For address harvesters: | the desk clerk why you only need one bed." | | -- Ellen | |
Bao H. Lammy ) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
Actually, quite a big deal to those who really like the given show. Missing the visual gag on Frasier irritates completists. And even though I don't like Friends that much, I watch it since my girlfriend likes to watch it with some company. We both are irritated when we miss the end gag, especially when we can't do anything about it (if it's a rerun). "Jeff Rife" wrote Maybe I should re-phrase. It's really no big deal to people that didn't record it to watch at a later date. You then have the choice...change the channel and miss the very end, or don't, and miss the beginning of the next show. But, if you recorded with TiVo *and* the guide data is accurate, then you didn't miss the end gag of the show you wanted. [snip] Actually, we rarely miss the end gags on shows because I do everything possible to avoid such, including manual padding, block recording, and using another recorder if needed. I really don't like missing a show and then having to record the rerun weeks later due to cutting of the end gags. (I used to think this only happened with syndicated reruns...nope.) So, I don't make sure not to miss them. My point was that if I was to miss it, I'd be irritated. As it is now, it is an inconvenience to make sure I don't miss this material. |
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote in message
... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 MrPaul wrote: Is anyone else aggrivated by the fact that NBC (maybe just my local affiliate) is starting shows during primetime at like 6:59. Now I got to setup manual recordings in order to record shows that run from 6-7 or 7-8. Why not setup the season pass to start recording the program one minute early (there is an option to start early and also an option to end late)? The only catch here is that any other program set to record during the previous timeslot might conflict (much less of an issue with a two-tuner DTivo compared to a single tuner SATivo). You know they are doing this just to **** people with PVRs off. I really don't understand because there is just a good a chance of the person with the season pass missing whatever NBC has on. No, they are doing it to **** off PVR owners. That would be a lot of work to **** off a small minority of viewers. Much more likely is that their "clock" is not synced with your Tivos. Oh no, not a clock problem at all, my TIVO says it starts at 9:59, NBC does this on purpose. Probably not to screw up PVR owners, but to somehow get you to watch this show. It's STUPID with a capital S T U P I and D. Only way I can do it is to manually record ER starting at 10, as TIVO can't start 1 min late. Oh well....anyone have a good snail mail address to complain to? Better to just adjust your Season passes for NBC. Paul - -- Thomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAIVHv1p0e3NXsrtERAo2uAJwJaQALpuIzxcbPQz53/JPyw6ELtwCaA0AX oe71Q7PlrTapVPG1Kq3BASo= =loLP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
* John Poutre Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on 2004-02-04:
Oh no, not a clock problem at all, my TIVO says it starts at 9:59, NBC does this on purpose. Probably not to screw up PVR owners, but to somehow get you to watch this show. It's STUPID with a capital S T U P I and D. Only way I can do it is to manually record ER starting at 10, as TIVO can't start 1 min late. Sure it can, set a manual recording to reoccur. -- David | AGM Favorite Games - http://tinyurl.com/loec Do not think by infection, catching an opinion like a cold. |
"SINNER" wrote in message
... * John Poutre Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on 2004-02-04: Oh no, not a clock problem at all, my TIVO says it starts at 9:59, NBC does this on purpose. Probably not to screw up PVR owners, but to somehow get you to watch this show. It's STUPID with a capital S T U P I and D. Only way I can do it is to manually record ER starting at 10, as TIVO can't start 1 min late. Sure it can, set a manual recording to reoccur. Well, that is what I do as TIVO can not start 1 min late. Bad thing about this is if ER ever moved, which I am not to worried about. -- David | AGM Favorite Games - http://tinyurl.com/loec Do not think by infection, catching an opinion like a cold. |
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