Yes, I had to tape ER Manually since TIVO won't let you start 1 min late
(they should fix this). So now, I have ER manually recorded, which is fine
to it. But I find I now have to checked every day to see if any other shows
are doing this and screwing up my recordings...


"chap5871" wrote in message
om...
Interesting. I don't record those shows, but if you did it manually
wouldn't it work? I'm relatively new, though, so I'm not quite sure.

"John Poutre" wrote in message
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"Timothy J. Trace" wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:10:34 -0600, MrPaul wrote:

Is anyone else aggrivated by the fact that NBC (maybe just my local
affiliate) is starting shows during primetime at like 6:59. Now I
got
to setup manual recordings in order to record shows that run from 6-7
or 7-8.

You know they are doing this just to **** people with PVRs off. I
really don't understand because there is just a good a chance of the
person with the season pass missing whatever NBC has on.

Oh well....anyone have a good snail mail address to complain to?

They are doing this to sell extra slots of commercial time, during the
airing of their
popular shows. And it sure sucks for us PVR users.

I am convinced that they do this just to screw the PVR users in the
regard
that they will have to cancel another networks shows that show right
before
to tape theirs. There is no other reason. It's stupid.




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"Bao H. Lammy" wrote in message
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"John Poutre" wrote
They are doing this to sell extra slots of commercial time, during the
airing of their popular shows. And it sure sucks for us PVR users.
I am convinced that they do this just to screw the PVR users in the
regard
that they will have to cancel another networks shows that show right
before
to tape theirs. There is no other reason. It's stupid.

There are not enough PVR users for NBC to do this to thwart them.
They charge a lot more for ads during very popular shows than other
shows. So, they make the very popular shows longer to make more
money. If you don't believe this, you don't have to.

Yeah, you are probably right but I still think that they see that little
benefit to this. Could be I am just ticked off at them for doing it too,
all in the name of more Ads.

"John Poutre" wrote
There are not enough PVR users for NBC to do this to thwart them.
They charge a lot more for ads during very popular shows than other
shows. So, they make the very popular shows longer to make more
money. If you don't believe this, you don't have to.
Yeah, you are probably right but I still think that they see that little
benefit to this. Could be I am just ticked off at them for doing it too,
all in the name of more Ads.

I don't think NBC is losing sleep over PVR users having problems,
either. But again, there are so few PVR users that it doesn't make
sense for them to **** us off yet on purpose, imo. Will they some
day if the number of PVR users becomes significant? IMO, there
is a high probability of that. Just not yet.

I wanted to tape a 8-9 followed by a 9-9:30 but the 9-9:30 showed up as 8:59
so I couldn't do it. Tell the knucklehead tv execs to switch on the hour.

"

On 28-Jan-2004, "Bao H. Lammy" wrote:

They charge a lot more for ads during very popular shows than other
shows. So, they make the very popular shows longer to make more
money...

Not necessarily. For example the Apprentice tonight starts at 8:59 and ends
at 9:59. Still 1 hour.

They charge a lot more for ads during very popular shows than other
shows. So, they make the very popular shows longer to make more
money...

Not necessarily. For example the Apprentice tonight starts at 8:59 and ends
at 9:59. Still 1 hour.

Yes, but that was probably done to keep you on the channel and watching
ER, which is 61 minutes. I'm not sure, but I'd guess that a show
like ER, even when it's a repeat, draws a higher ad price than the
Apprentice.

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"Bao H. Lammy" wrote in message ...
"John Poutre" wrote
There are not enough PVR users for NBC to do this to thwart them.
They charge a lot more for ads during very popular shows than other
shows. So, they make the very popular shows longer to make more
money. If you don't believe this, you don't have to.
Yeah, you are probably right but I still think that they see that little
benefit to this. Could be I am just ticked off at them for doing it too,
all in the name of more Ads.

I don't think NBC is losing sleep over PVR users having problems,
either. But again, there are so few PVR users that it doesn't make
sense for them to **** us off yet on purpose, imo. Will they some
day if the number of PVR users becomes significant? IMO, there
is a high probability of that. Just not yet.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the other reason for doing this was to
catch channel surfers flicking while other shows are in commercial -
attract undecided viewers.

Anyway - I don't tivo too much on NBC anyway, and the times that I
have, I have had no problems really. But either way, NBC stinks for
this!

On 29 Jan 2004 12:01:58 -0800, (David P.)
wrote:

"Bao H. Lammy" wrote in message ...
"John Poutre" wrote
There are not enough PVR users for NBC to do this to thwart them.
They charge a lot more for ads during very popular shows than other
shows. So, they make the very popular shows longer to make more
money. If you don't believe this, you don't have to.
Yeah, you are probably right but I still think that they see that little
benefit to this. Could be I am just ticked off at them for doing it too,
all in the name of more Ads.

I don't think NBC is losing sleep over PVR users having problems,
either. But again, there are so few PVR users that it doesn't make
sense for them to **** us off yet on purpose, imo. Will they some
day if the number of PVR users becomes significant? IMO, there
is a high probability of that. Just not yet.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the other reason for doing this was to
catch channel surfers flicking while other shows are in commercial -
attract undecided viewers.

Anyway - I don't tivo too much on NBC anyway, and the times that I
have, I have had no problems really. But either way, NBC stinks for
this!

This whole practice is totally annoying, I've started just setting up
manual recordings for some shows. To miss an entire program on another
channel the hour before say Law&Order because of a minute is
ludicrous. It's only one minute which frequently is commercials
anyway.


Matthew

matthew at the dash stevens dot us

In article , David P.
wrote:

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the other reason for doing this was to
catch channel surfers flicking while other shows are in commercial -
attract undecided viewers.

Didn't Ted Turner used to do this back in the day, by starting programs
on TBS at 5 past the hour? (I can't begin to think of the number of
Braves telecasts that were 7:05 airtimes.) His logic was, once you
watched the end of one of his shows, the other shows had started, so
you'd stay on TBS.

Note, however, that TBS now starts at the top of the hour, just like
everybody else.

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In article ,
"Bao H. Lammy" wrote:
There are not enough PVR users for NBC to do this to thwart them.
They charge a lot more for ads during very popular shows than other
shows. So, they make the very popular shows longer to make more
money. If you don't believe this, you don't have to.

Note" Much of my post is OLD NEWS to TV/Tivo junkies"

You are 100% right. PVR's is a VERY SMALL number of people in the big
picture. And yes, NBC does have a stake in Tivo (they even "plant" Tivo
logos and units in the scenes of some shows such as "Friends").
Networks screw around with starting times and ending times of shows to
snare in common viewers in an attempt to keep you from changing the
channel. It's that whole "lead in" thing. That's why the slot after
"Friends" is so coveted. If you have a new show and you are on after
"Friends", you have a much better chance of becoming a hit because
you'll get commercials for your DURING "Friends". And...something else
that NBC innovated several years ago. They don't put commercials on in
between hit shows. For example, "Will And Grace" comes on immediately
after "Friends" (I think? I don't watch the former) giving the common
viewer no chance to "get bored" and do some channel surfing. In the old
days, there would be commercials in between and the viewer might forget
to stay tuned in for "Will And Grace". Some of this sounds less than
plausible to PVR owners as we are more suave (HA! for lack of a better)
when it comes to watching what we WANT (a major selling point for PVRs).
Also, another thing that NBC and TV programmers came up with awhile back
was eliminating lengthy theme songs to shows. A long theme song gives
the viewer a window of opportunity to channel surf and maybe forget to
go back to that show. That's why, using "Friends" again, many shows
will start right off with a intro segment for the show and then show the
theme song and credits. I could go on...but you get the idea.